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My 15 year old son has just been prescribed 50mg/day of sertraline for anxiety/depression. From what I can gather, this seems to be the current SSRI 'flavour of the month', particularly for adolescents.

I would appreciate any personal experiences regarding the efficacy or otherwise of this drug.

He had his first dose today at 7am, and when I got in from work his pupils were like saucers... :D


Also, I found it interesting that the label says "Avoid grapefruit juice during treatment with this medicine". I'm well aware of the effect that grapefruit juice has upon liver enzymes, but when the mrs was on SSRIs in the 90s I dont recall seeing this warning. Is this standard for SSRI medication now or just particular to sertraline?

Any input gratefully received.

THX
 
It's the antidepressant that has worked the best for me, but that isn't saying a lot as the others just didn't work at all whereas after being on 125mgs sertraline for a few months I felt *some* improvement.

I'm sure lots of people got nothing out of sertraline too, that seems to be how it is with antidepressants, you just have to keep trialling them until you find one that works better than the others and what works for one person is often not guaranteed to work for another..
 
I've been on several antidepressants over the years - although not Sertraline - I'm a little surprised they would start giving SSRIs to a 15 year old, but I don't know the circumstances so I won't comment further. I was prescribed my first SSRI aged 20 - Fluoxetine (Prozac)

Doctors say it's trial and error to find the 'right' SSRI. I have to say I'm pretty skeptical about the whole antidepressant thing - but that's just from my experience. They do work for some people apparently. All I'd advise is try to find a good doctor (specialist and GP) to monitor the situation. NHS doctors vary so wildly, from utter shit to really good, but if you're halfway intelligent you should be able to assess their competence levels

as for the grapefruit juice warning, that seems to be on a lot of medication info leaflets now. And for most meds the list of possible side effects now is (literally) as long as your arm... they're covering all their bases, but it makes it less helpful for us
 
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I took it for a couple of years. Did what I needed it to do and got me through a particularly rough patch. Whilst on it I found i drank like the proverbial aquatic vertebrate and was shit with money, usually im very prudent money wise. After a couple of years I realised it was having an effect on my personality, I was happy enough but didn't find anything funny whatsoever. I also stopped enjoying music altogether and generally felt a manic energy to life. I decided to get off it, brain zaps were a fucker. Took a while to adjust to life without but worth it long term. In a nutshell for me did what I needed it to but should have tried to get off it after a year.
 
I took Sertraline for 3-4 years off and on starting as a teenager and into college. I didn't feel that it was effective in treating my depression/anxiety. I felt numb and foggy all the time. Making it hard to accomplish my coursework. I was eventually switched to Wellbutrin an NDRI as my psychiatrist said SSRI's don't work for me. What I wish had happened was that I was in therapy instead of taken straight to a psychiatrist. I think my particular depression/anxiety could have been solved with therapy.
 
It's my understanding they dont work any better than a sugar pill. But unlike a sugar pill have a load of side effects.

A recent meta-analysis has sparked huge scientific and public controversy by stating that the placebo effect can explain the apparent clinical effectiveness of antidepressants. But wait a second, aren’t there clinical trials providing compelling evidence for antidepressant effectiveness–in fact, thousands of them? If a meta-analysis just compiles all the best published research, how could it say they don’t work much better than a sugar pill? The key word is published.

What if a drug company decided to publish only studies that showed a positive effect, but quietly shelved and concealed any studies showing the drug didn’t work? If you didn’t know any better, you’d look at the published medical literature and be like, wow, this drug is great. What if all the drug companies did it? To find out if this was the case, researchers applied to the FDA under the Freedom of Information Act to get access to the published and unpublished studies submitted by pharmaceutical companies. What they found was shocking.

According to the published literature, the results of nearly all the trials of antidepressants were positive; they work! In contrast, FDA analysis of the trial data showed that only roughly half of the trials had positive results. In other words, about half the studies showed the drugs didn’t work. Thus, when published and unpublished data are combined, they fail to show a clinically significant advantage for antidepressant medication over a sugar pill. Not publishing negative results undermines evidence-based medicine and puts millions of patients at risk for using ineffective or unsafe drugs, and this was the case for these antidepressant drugs.
These revelations hit in 2008—Prozac, Serzone, Paxil, and Effexor—they worked, but so did sugar pills, and the difference between the drug and placebo was small. That was 2008. Where were we by 2014? Analyses of the published data and the unpublished data that were hidden by the drug companies reveals that most (if not all) of the benefits of antidepressants are due to the placebo effect.

And what’s even worse, Freedom of Information Act documents show the FDA knew about it, but made an explicit decision to keep this information from the public and from prescribing physicians. How could drug companies get away with this?

The pharmaceutical industry is considered the most profitable and politically influential industry in the United States, and mental illness can be thought of as the drug industry’s golden goose: incurable, common, long-term, and involving multiple medications. Antidepressant medications are prescribed to 8.7% of the U.S. population. It’s a multi-billion dollar market, just that class of drugs.

To summarize, there is a strong therapeutic response to antidepressant medication; it’s just that the response to placebo is almost as strong. Indeed, antidepressants offer substantial benefits to millions of people suffering from depression. To cast them as ineffective is inaccurate. Just because they may not work better than fake pills doesn’t mean they don’t work. It’s like homeopathy. Just because it doesn’t work better than the sugar pills that they are doesn’t mean that homeopathy doesn’t work, because the placebo effect is real and is powerful.
In this psychopharmacology journal, a psychiatrist funded by the Prozac company defends the drugs. A key issue is disregarded by the naysaying critics. If the patient is benefiting from antidepressant treatment, does it matter whether this is being achieved via drug or placebo effects?
Yes, it matters! Among the side effects of antidepressants are sexual dysfunction in up to three-quarters of people, long-term weight gain, insomnia, nausea, and diarrhea. About one in five show withdrawal symptoms when they try to quit. And perhaps more tragically, they may make people more likely to become depressed in the future. People are more likely to become depressed again after treatment by antidepressants than after treatment by other means–including placebo.

So if doctors are willing to give patients placebo-equivalent treatments, maybe it’d be better for them to just lie to patients and give them actual sugar pills. Yes, that involves deception, but isn’t that preferable to deception with a side of side effects? Maybe medical bodies need to accept that a spoonful of deception may be therapeutic.

If different treatments are equally effective, then shouldn’t the choice be based on risk and harm? And of all the available treatments, antidepressant drugs may be among the riskiest and most harmful. If they are to be used at all, it should be as a last resort, when depression is extremely severe and all other treatment alternatives have been tried and failed.

Antidepressants may not work better than placebo for mild and moderate depression, but for very severe depression, the drugs do beat out sugar pills. But that’s just a small fraction of the people taking these drugs. That means that the vast majority of depressed patients—as many as nine out of ten—are being prescribed medications that have negligible benefits to them.
Too many doctors just quickly decide upon a depression diagnosis without necessarily even listening to what the patient has to say, and they end up putting them on antidepressants without considering alternatives. And fortunately, there are effective alternatives. Physical exercise, for example, can have lasting effects, and if that turns out to also be the placebo effect, it is at least a placebo with an enviable list of side effects.

Whereas side effects of antidepressants include things like sexual dysfunction and insomnia, side effects of exercise include enhanced libido and better sleep, decreased body fat, improved muscle tone, and a longer life.

 
It's my understanding they dont work any better than a sugar pill. But unlike a sugar pill have a load of side effects.

There's a whole book called 'Cracked' by James Davies which details what - he at least - believes is the big antidepressant con - remember all these drugs were developed in America where profit is the leading motive. (They actaully directly advertise prescription meds - including antidepressants - to the public on TV and billboards over there) And the FDA (the 'independent' regulatory body is rather toothless)

But as depression is so common now it would be unethical for an NHS doctor to prescribe placebos and lie to the patient that they're getting genuine meds, so they give them the real deal, potential side effects and all. And if the patient feels happier, it's perhaps just the placebo effect in action

Another main theme of the book is that the neurotransmitters such as seretonin, dopamine - that SSRIs are supposed to help - are not the same thing as hormones, and can't be measured as such. They don't even know if - or why - these neurotransmitters change or fluctuate, they just know that SSRIs can increase their amount in the brain - at least for a little while - (it's possible that the brain will simply 'get used' to the new levels of seretonin meaning the patient will have a very hard time coming off the antidepressant)

A doctor or psychiatrist faced with a suicidal patient really has little choice to prescribe something. If they don't - and the patient goes home and kills him/herself - imagine how they'd feel? (and might get themselves into deep professional shit to boot)
 
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I've been on several antidepressants over the years - although not Sertraline - I'm a little surprised they would start giving SSRIs to a 15 year old, but I don't know the circumstances so I won't comment further. I was prescribed my first SSRI aged 20 - Fluoxetine (Prozac)

Doctors say it's trial and error to find the 'right' SSRI. I have to say I'm pretty skeptical about the whole antidepressant thing - but that's just from my experience. They do work for some people apparently. All I'd advise is try to find a good doctor (specialist and GP) to monitor the situation. NHS doctors vary so wildly, from utter shit to really good, but if you're halfway intelligent you should be able to assess their competence levels

as for the grapefruit juice warning, that seems to be on a lot of medication info leaflets now. And for most meds the list of possible side effects now is (literally) as long as your arm... they're covering all their bases, but it makes it less helpful for us

I must admit I was also a little surprised he was prescribed sertraline at his age. But perhaps it's because he saw a CAMHS doctor, not his GP.

I'm very dubious about the efficacy of SSRIs myself as the wife had shitloads in the 90s, and the only one which seemed to have any positive effect was Venlafaxine which is an SNRI. Perhaps, as you mention above, the placebo effect is significant enough to outweigh the negatives.
 
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My 15 year old son has just been prescribed 50mg/day of sertraline for anxiety/depression. From what I can gather, this seems to be the current SSRI 'flavour of the month', particularly for adolescents.

I would appreciate any personal experiences regarding the efficacy or otherwise of this drug.

He had his first dose today at 7am, and when I got in from work his pupils were like saucers... :D


Also, I found it interesting that the label says "Avoid grapefruit juice during treatment with this medicine". I'm well aware of the effect that grapefruit juice has upon liver enzymes, but when the mrs was on SSRIs in the 90s I dont recall seeing this warning. Is this standard for SSRI medication now or just particular to sertraline?

Any input gratefully received.

THX

I'm unwell atm and haven't the energy to give the the attention it deserves.

Suffice to say that after working in mental health related jobs for a couple of decades the thought of a 15 year old taking ssri's makes me shudder deeply. I'm well aware that's not what you want to hear mate.

Unless it's major (MAJOR) depression (and even then they have a low success rate) it's like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut imho. Sertraline does seem to be the most benign of the ssri's for sure, but that analogy to me is akin to saying John Major was the least cuntish tory pm. By the way when I say "success", they tend to measure that by whether it numbs you up to the extent you become silent and undemanding. They'll up the dose, and if that doesn't 'work' they'll switcheroo meds until something does the trick

Also, in all seriousness, keep a very watchful eye on his moods particularly in the first few weeks on it. Only a few months ago I was sat with a teenager who had (very seriously) attempted suicide after 3 weeks on Sirtraline and who had never had a suicidal thought previously.

It's also worth remembering that GP's generally have very little mental health training. Most of the have around 2 or 3 weeks on the subject in their 7-plus year studies. Will pm you after the weekend if ya want to talk more on it man
 
I'm unwell atm and haven't the energy to give the the attention it deserves.

Suffice to say that after working in mental health related jobs for a couple of decades the thought of a 15 year old taking ssri's makes me shudder deeply. I'm well aware that's not what you want to hear mate.

Unless it's major (MAJOR) depression (and even then they have a low success rate) it's like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut imho. Sertraline does seem to be the most benign of the ssri's for sure, but that analogy to me is akin to saying John Major was the least cuntish tory pm. By the way when I say "success", they tend to measure that by whether it numbs you up to the extent you become silent and undemanding. They'll up the dose, and if that doesn't 'work' they'll switcheroo meds until something does the trick

Also, in all seriousness, keep a very watchful eye on his moods particularly in the first few weeks on it. Only a few months ago I was sat with a teenager who had (very seriously) attempted suicide after 3 weeks on Sirtraline and who had never had a suicidal thought previously.

It's also worth remembering that GP's generally have very little mental health training. Most of the have around 2 or 3 weeks on the subject in their 7-plus year studies. Will pm you after the weekend if ya want to talk more on it man

Thanks mate, grateful for your input. Will deffo keep an eye on him...
 
Suffice to say that after working in mental health related jobs for a couple of decades the thought of a 15 year old taking ssri's makes me shudder deeply. I'm well aware that's not what you want to hear mate.


If that makes you shudder, how about this : a brainwashed kid goes home from school one day and says he wishes he were actually a boy/girl. His well-meaning but naive 'woke' parents then take their son/daughter to his/her GP concerned that heir kid may be the 'wrong' gender. A couple more woke doctors/kid shrinks down the line and a pre-pubescent child is being pumped full of hormone-blockers to prevent puberty, and after the child has 'chosen' his 'sex' (or 'gender' - interchangeable in these peoples' eyes) when they're 18 they get offered irreversible life-altering 'gender reassignment surgery' (ie. castration or a mastectomy - and more hormones)

This does happen. Increasingly, and with the full support of the NHS. So I'm not really shocked that children are now being given antidepressants

FUBAR, only you can ultimately decide if your son should be on SSRIs. Low-moods and depressive states are normal - everyone gets them from time to time (some of us more so than others), but we all remember what it was like to be a teenager with our hormones all over the place/being moody all the time etc. 'Moody' isn't the same as 'so depressed someone should be on antidepressants' IMO

Just be on your guard with the NHS (you can read my opinions on the current state of the NHS in the other thread). And wherever you go seek out 'good' doctors - by 'good' I mean ones who seem to be sharp, conscientious and intelligent - not ones who just want to fob you off because they've got to see another patient in 5 minutes or who'll write a prescription at the drop of a hat without listening or considering a case fully
 
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And wherever you go seek out 'good' doctors - by 'good' I mean ones who seem to be sharp, conscientious and intelligent

Honestly, I have yet to meet one.

And dont get me started on CAMHS. They perfectly illustrate the shortcomings with NHS mental health services afaic. My son has been on their books for 3 years now and he's only just commenced CBT (for what that's fuckin worth). Hes also finally had his ASD assessment which was 'inconclusive'. It seems that he's a 'complex case' who isn't slashing himself with razor blades, so he's not considered a priority.

I realise the mental health services are stretched to the limit, but all they seem able to do is to ask the same questions over and over again and make another appointment in a few weeks time. Then eventually pass you on to someone else and you have to start all over again.

Hes only caught up in 'the system' because he had a medical problem as a youngster and his nurse diagnosed him as having 'behavioural problems' - I.e. she was a stuck up cunt who he (and I) didn't like. So he was referred to CAMHS. Suddenly hes 10 times fuckin worse.

However, he does suffer from anxiety, lack of confidence, low self esteem, no motivation etc. This is exactly how I was at his age (and still am to a certain extent) and I took the path to self medication.

Obviously, I don't want the same for my son, so I'm having to trust in the professionals...
 
My 15 year old son has just been prescribed 50mg/day of sertraline for anxiety/depression. From what I can gather, this seems to be the current SSRI 'flavour of the month', particularly for adolescents.

I would appreciate any personal experiences regarding the efficacy or otherwise of this drug.

He had his first dose today at 7am, and when I got in from work his pupils were like saucers... :D


Also, I found it interesting that the label says "Avoid grapefruit juice during treatment with this medicine". I'm well aware of the effect that grapefruit juice has upon liver enzymes, but when the mrs was on SSRIs in the 90s I dont recall seeing this warning. Is this standard for SSRI medication now or just particular to sertraline?

Any input gratefully received.

THX

It was a literal life-saver for me. I was suicidally depressed and having (sometimes more than one) panic attacks every day. It's not perfect and I wasn't miraculously 100% cured forever, but I'd say I was 85% better, it works most of the time and it completely turned my life around. Been on it for over 10 years now and going on it was one of the best decisions I've ever made. Could not recommend it any more strongly.
Hope it works for your son as well as it worked for me!
Just a warning: the first 3 days on an SSRI can make anxiety much worse. I actually snapped my in half and took 25mg for the first 6 days. That really helped the side-effects. Depending on how open you are with him, you could also let him know it is much more difficult to ejaculate for the first several weeks, but it goes away. Like, it takes a lot longer to cum and you have to have really fantasize more, but that's normal and it does go away.
 
It was a literal life-saver for me. I was suicidally depressed and having (sometimes more than one) panic attacks every day. It's not perfect and I wasn't miraculously 100% cured forever, but I'd say I was 85% better, it works most of the time and it completely turned my life around. Been on it for over 10 years now and going on it was one of the best decisions I've ever made. Could not recommend it any more strongly.
Hope it works for your son as well as it worked for me!
Just a warning: the first 3 days on an SSRI can make anxiety much worse. I actually snapped my in half and took 25mg for the first 6 days. That really helped the side-effects. Depending on how open you are with him, you could also let him know it is much more difficult to ejaculate for the first several weeks, but it goes away. Like, it takes a lot longer to cum and you have to have really fantasize more, but that's normal and it does go away.

Thanks mate, that is somewhat reassuring.

The erection and ejaculation problems were actually mentioned by the doctor when he was listing the potential side effects However, I'm not sure how much of an issue this would be as i've yet to find any evidence that my son is obsessed with wanking himself into oblivion - which I find rather worrying for a lad of his age...
 
Thanks mate, that is somewhat reassuring.

The erection and ejaculation problems were actually mentioned by the doctor when he was listing the potential side effects However, I've yet to find any evidence that my son is obsessed with wanking himself into oblivion - which I find rather worrying for a lad of his age...

He definitely IS! lol. Some lads are just much more subtle/better at not being caught than others. Like I almost always did it in the bath or shower at that age.
 
it was a miracle for me. i am prescribed it for PTSD and felt completely fobbed off being given an antidepressant. googled it while waiting for the prescription and found out there is clinical evidence for it working for PTSD, but only in 52% of people. I was a crying mess before and in the space of a few days i stopped crying.

it did make me feel really weird for ages though. like empty. there was literally just nothing going on in my head. i don't know if its just cos the constant panic went away so it seemed empty or if i genuinely was a robot. anyway that feeling passed, either my brain got used to it or i got used to being some sort of automaton.
 
Honestly, I have yet to meet one.

And dont get me started on CAMHS. They perfectly illustrate the shortcomings with NHS mental health services afaic. My son has been on their books for 3 years now and he's only just commenced CBT (for what that's fuckin worth). Hes also finally had his ASD assessment which was 'inconclusive'. It seems that he's a 'complex case' who isn't slashing himself with razor blades, so he's not considered a priority.

it was hard enough to keep to the CBT programme when I was an adult - it requires some discipline - so must be harder for a kid, but as you've waited for so long, make the most of the opportunity at least - it might be good for him. I wasn't diagnosed as on the autistic spectrum until an adult - although there were clear sign earlier, but my parents didn't really pick up on them or know what autism was, and the teachers at school knew fuck all about anything.


I realise the mental health services are stretched to the limit, but all they seem able to do is to ask the same questions over and over again and make another appointment in a few weeks time. Then eventually pass you on to someone else and you have to start all over again.

yep that sounds like the Kafkaesque nightmare that is the NHS monstrosity at work...


However, he does suffer from anxiety, lack of confidence, low self esteem, no motivation etc. This is exactly how I was at his age (and still am to a certain extent) and I took the path to self medication.

Obviously, I don't want the same for my son, so I'm having to trust in the professionals...

I took the path to self medication too, I guess - although I didn't start out that way. I don't have any children but I have wondered whether a 'seasoned' person like you would give your children 'the drug talk'. But knowing what I was like, the 'just say no' approach rarely works, as kids just want forbidden things even more as it increases their allure.

My parents weren't drink or drug users (apart from tobacco) - at least when I was alive, but I don't remember getting any particularly stern warnings against drugs. But they grew up in the Sixties before the 'just say no' campaigns started
 
it was a miracle for me. i am prescribed it for PTSD and felt completely fobbed off being given an antidepressant. googled it while waiting for the prescription and found out there is clinical evidence for it working for PTSD, but only in 52% of people. I was a crying mess before and in the space of a few days i stopped crying.

it did make me feel really weird for ages though. like empty. there was literally just nothing going on in my head. i don't know if its just cos the constant panic went away so it seemed empty or if i genuinely was a robot. anyway that feeling passed, either my brain got used to it or i got used to being some sort of automaton.

I'm really glad it worked for you - and your case as PTSD is different to mine and many others - but the 'emptiness' feeling is essentially how SSRIs are supposed to work - they take the edge off the depression, but also of some of the joys of life, so you can turn into a bit of a zombie. They numb you.

A few years ago I decided to quit SSRIs altogether - deeming that I preferred to feel depression but hopefully some more positive moods as well, rather than being a zombie and feeling nothing. I'm still unsure whether it was the right move yet
 
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