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Oklahoma: execution goes wrong

∆haha whoda think it? Can't the us gov dig some gigantic pit like miles deep and throw all the killers and shitheads on death row down it? It would prob take awhile for the bodies to pile up but I doubt even a mile drop on a pile of bodies would save you lol.

Seriously tho, yes the execution went bad but this was a bad dude. Can't really feel to much sympathy for him NC of what he did. He didn't apologize as his last words. Was a kiddie killer that had no business to be a member of society. He died painfully? Well sometimes you reap what you sow.
 
I doubt they'll start using fent to execute people, due to the perception of IV opies being so pleasurable. Not that it would matter, they'd just be out...oh, and not breathing, which is relevant here....
 
Human life reduced to a cliche. Nice.
I could chuck in that Gandhi 'eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind' quote for the deuce.

I suppose torture is an accepted government practice in the US, so this sort of macabre showmanship doesn't really shock you?
What kind of moron can't administer a single injection without blowing out a guy's vein?
Fucking ghoulish. But...well, I guess people can be shown to accept anything as ok, so long as the ends apparently justify the means.
Murder isn't a matter of context. State murder is no different.
 
The only psychologically healthy response is to be relieved that a monstrous human being can no longer cause harm. Step beyond that, and you are dangerously close to becoming that which you resist. I worry about some of y'all.
 
^We are all close..

I am not a bleeding heart for these people, and appeals/the process shouldnt cost so much. But also there is that sometimes people are wrongfully executed. But this guy admitted it.

Yes, they are troubled... Murderers... But I don't owe keeping them alive, and say we don't have the funds to keep them locked up and fed... Or the time. If they are proven guilty, I wouldn't mind taking that gun to their head. If I see they suffer, right after I'll fire two-four more. I don't mind.

I'm not one to think that everyone deserves to live, when they are a proven danger to others. Its not a matter of deserving. Its a matter of being realistic and getting on with life and not being staggered.
 
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Yes it is. Boom.

What is "sacred"?
 
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^whatever we choose to give that distinction.

This is for the sick man who was just sent to the oblivion. Playing the worlds worst and shortest song, horribly out of tune.

NSFW:
worlds-smallest-violin.jpg
 
Dur! It costs more to execute someone in the US then it does to jail them for life due to appeals. Despite this, something like 1 in 25 of those executed are innocent. Following your logic you should be raped tortured and multilateral as well for wishing that on someone. The fact that you are fisting yourself while masterbating to his suffering makes you a demented sadist as well. The whole point of lethal injection is to create the facade of a civilized, humane and efficient final punishment but it fails pathetically on all counts.

If they are to be punished with pain than why pretend to be professional and humane? There are easy, cheap and painless execution methods, some of which were already stated, and there are far more effective torture methods as well but as a civilized country (supposedly) they are ideologically opposed to that.

Actual doctors aren't even allowed to administer the drugs because it violates the hypocratic oath so they get some sociopathic ogre from corrections who purposely doesn't give enough of the sedative to any of them for their own sexual pleasure. There have been studies on it. The majority of the time the one injecting them does it wrong through incompetence or their own sexual gratification.

Following my logic, I should be killed if I took someones life in cold blood.

It didn't fail. The victims family were extremely pleased.

The cost doesn't bother me. I would rather the money be spent getting rid of the cocksucker than spending it to give him a life of free medical care, free food, free room and board, and access to drugs.

Also I'm not fisting myself while masturbating but you created that image in your head and visualized it so that makes you the sexual deviant my friend.
 
This is exactly the sort of mentality that hinders any type of progress in society. To justify a cruel, torturous death with yet another one is destructive, inefficient and inhumane. That so many of us would turn to sadistic means to satisfy our internal hunger for some misguided sense of "justice" is something that will always puzzle me. And, as said above, execution is more expensive than life in prison. Executions, especially done in this manner, are nothing more than murder covered with the guise of righteousness. It's important to look beyond animalistic tendencies when deciding what's right. One death does not cancel out another. The only result can be that we hunger for more death, always trying to justify yet another on the basis of the "eye-for-an-eye" approach. Execution is both morally unjustified and economically unsustainable.

I, for one, have no trouble feeling sympathy for those who commit murder. As a general rule, these individuals tend to be among the most troubled in society, for reasons often completely beyond their control. The victim acts as a metaphor, a representation of some negative figure from a traumatic period earlier in their life. Killing them acts as a "release" from the painful memories of the past, but this is a false release, never to be permanently satisfied, and perhaps not even temporarily. Some become serial killers, others get caught, but the pain remains nonetheless. On a daily basis, we convince ourselves of our own humanity, yet we fail to consider the "criminals" and what led them up to this point. Murder is by no means justified, so why do we hypocritically return the favour in cruelly murdering the criminal? This is no different between the differences in the way OxyContin is perceived in comparison to heroin, for example - one is legally justified, and thus somehow becomes morally justified in turn, while the other is entirely immoral, serves no medical purpose, and is demonized constantly, yet the two are incredibly similar in terms of the potential dangers they present, if not in the effects. Murder not committed in an execution setting is morally wrong, while murder committed under such circumstances is completely justified, based only upon the legality of the act. Thus, the drug hypocrisy is no different from the execution hypocrisy, or any other hypocrisy for that matter. I feel great sympathy for those who suffer under the hands of the state, guilty or not guilty, regardless of the crime and circumstances, and I fully support the abolishment of the death penalty. It's not feasible and it reinforces our lustful obsession with death, twists our ability to separate true justice from sadistic urges. We look for more "criminals" to execute far in excess of the heroin addict's need for his fix. Our love of death is the worst addiction of them all, yet the treatment is nowhere in sight.

Although life in prison is preferable to the execution method, we still fail to take into consideration the murderer and what led him to commit such intolerable crimes. My suggestion? Psychedelic therapy, though we're a long way from accepting such things, could help tremendously in allowing the inmates to find a way to permanently release themselves from the pain, the pain which caused them to kill in the first place. Once implemented, the perception of prison must also change. Addiction and insanity are conditions one is treated for, so why not do the same with the *root causes* of murders and the like? It may be expensive, but I'd certainly rather see *less* suffering throughout the world, even in those who may not deserve it in the eyes of moralistic sadists. Prison should not deprive criminals of their rights, but should offer them a rehabilitation program which might allow them to finally overcome the issues plaguing them throughout their lives, perhaps long before they committed their crime. We're always telling criminals to "think about what they've done," but what of what's been done to them? People aren't intrinsically cruel - we are instead conditioned into cruelty by this morally twisted, power-hungry system we live in today, and this is reinforced by those too weak to break free of it. Parents, sometimes without even realizing it, condition their children to murder by simply following the system to which they are enslaved. No one commits an act of murder or any other "intolerable" crime without some important pre-existing condition (especially though not limited to childhood trauma). Sometimes this condition may not be obvious at the surface, and the "criminal" may not realize the source of the acts himself, giving him the appearance of having always been this way, but this is not the case. Considering the circumstances by which murderous tendencies manifest themselves, a more humane approach is the *only* way to go. Allow them to overcome what's troubled them throughout their lives and the criminal may someday free himself of his bonds and not only function, but thrive in society. We must always help those who cannot help themselves, even if our innermost thoughts and societal conditioning prevents us from feeling anything but hatred for them. Psychedelic psychotherapy is the best way to achieve a "humane" alternative to execution. Furthermore, implementing this approach outside of prisons in everyday life, if done properly, will guarantee a significant reduction in the overall crime-rate throughout the country. This is assuming the use of such substances is considered not as a crime, but as the legitimate therapy tools they truly are. While we cannot prevent murder just as we cannot prevent any other natural human process, we can at the very least ensure the most effective preventative measures are set in place and, when murder is inevitably committed, we can ensure the process which caused it in the first place can be completely reversed. It goes without saying that we cannot reverse murder once it does happen, but once again, criminal acts do not justify other criminal acts. It's an incredibly long leap to get from our current situation to the hypothetical situation outlined above, but I will continue fighting for a more sensical approach to the prison situation until we get to the point we need to be. The way things are done right now sickens me. This is but a small piece of an infinitely vast puzzle, the political strands tangling everything in their grasp, preventing progress in all areas. With politics, morality may never be achieved, but I refuse to sit still and remain content with this current situation. Progress is a long process, but ever so worth it in the end. 10 years, 90 years - however long it may take, this is my dream. This is the situation I envision in the ideal country - nay, the ideal world. How unfortunate that we can't look beyond our prejudices and realize the great moral truth. Some other day, perhaps... ;)

People who kill other people in cold blood deserve to die. They are a cancer to society. Everyone has a choice to carve their own destiny- I was raised in a household where my father abused the living shit out of my mother yet I made the choice to never raise my hands to woman or say anything that might hurt her.

Murders, rapists, and pedophiles should be eliminated. If they have a pre-existing condition that's even more the reason to kill them all.

I love how people who never ever had a family member murdered or raped have an opinion on this. I guarantee if your sister was savagely raped, beaten, and then cut to pieces you would not want that person to live out the rest of his life better than the homeless bum or junkie you see on the street.
 
^We are all close..

I am not a bleeding heart for these people, and appeals/the process shouldnt cost so much. But also there is that sometimes people are wrongfully executed. But this guy admitted it.

Yes, they are troubled... Murderers... But I don't owe keeping them alive, and say we don't have the funds to keep them locked up and fed... Or the time. If they are proven guilty, I wouldn't mind taking that gun to their head. If I see they suffer, right after I'll fire two-four more. I don't mind.

I'm not one to think that everyone deserves to live, when they are a proven danger to others. Its not a matter of deserving. Its a matter of being realistic and getting on with life and not being staggered.

Indeed.
 
What justifies the abuse of these people? To be sadistic and inflict torture, pain? I thought they were locked up so that those things could be avoided, to reduce harm...

What is the real difference between this, and say...rape. Where gratification is gained, the ego satisfied, by taking humanity away from another human being, and losing yours in the process?

This is sick, to approve of this.
 
What abuse? This wasn't intended. But hey, sometimes shit goes wrong (kind of went right actually since he did die). Maybe stop making the process so complicated, less chance of problems.

Also without knowing it, you've just made the case for massively expanding the death penalty. You think they're locked up so these things can be avoided? Don't we happily throw pedophiles in with the general population knowing they're going to be beaten, raped, and maybe even killed? The argument that throwing someone in SuperMax prison for the rest of their lives is more humane then offing them, is totally backwards to me.
 
Following my logic, I should be killed if I took someones life in cold blood.

It didn't fail. The victims family were extremely pleased.

The cost doesn't bother me. I would rather the money be spent getting rid of the cocksucker than spending it to give him a life of free medical care, free food, free room and board, and access to drugs.

Also I'm not fisting myself while masturbating but you created that image in your head and visualized it so that makes you the sexual deviant my friend.

It failed for the reasons I mentioned. The point is not to provide snuff porn for the victim's families.

You are a deviant yourself since you seem to derive great satisfaction from people suffering. Rape mutilation killers often feel that their victims "deserved" their fate so don't try to rationalize. How specifically you self-gratify is not relevant, maybe you use a dildo instead of a fist, it doesn't matter.

The cost is incredibly relevant because the money does not have to be pointlessly wasted like it is. The tax-payer must foot the bill.
 
the government should offer people a choice, those who oppose the death penalty get a bill each month for each criminal to support them for 30 years. every month a new poster would arrive, sponsor john doe, $40 a month. This months poster criminal was convicted of raping a 7 year old girl, murdering her and her mother. all for $40 a month. people always bitch but if they had to pay to support them they would run for the hills
 
the government should offer people a choice, those who oppose the death penalty get a bill each month for each criminal to support them for 30 years. every month a new poster would arrive, sponsor john doe, $40 a month. This months poster criminal was convicted of raping a 7 year old girl, murdering her and her mother. all for $40 a month. people always bitch but if they had to pay to support them they would run for the hills

DUR! Herp eh durp errrrr! It is enormously more expensive to execute someone in the United States than to keep them in jail for life due to appeals and they still get it wrong and 1 in 25 are innocent people murdered by the government.

HUR DUUuUur! Maybe people who support the death penalty should pay....... Oh wait, you already do with your tax dollars! DUR!
 
i'm against the death penalty, but shit, the dudes fucking dead, it's not like he's dealing with trauma from the experience and shit. so i could give a fuck less if he suffered for an hour or two seeing as how he was gonna get killed either way.
 
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