Damn nobody has tried this yet? This must suck or something.
I don't know if we will ever see a new cathinone that is actually decent or better than mephedrone.
burk1336:
Of corse something like meph will pop up eventually!
Saying otherwise is like saying that LSD was the only one witch resiliently was shown to be false
But nothing will be exactly as meph
This one was a bust didn't find it active at all??
Maybe its the batch in Scandinavia right now that's bull..
But i found it unworthy for future studies!
DOSAGE: above 30 mg.
DURATION: 6 - 10 h.
In the rabbit hyperthermia studies, this compound was some 25 times less active than DOM, so even animal tests say this is way down there in value. This particular measure suggests that the active level in man might be 75 milligrams.
What are you talking about? TMA, as the name says, are trimethoxyamphetamines. They don't even have a single N-methyl group?!
As you probably know, DOM is a very potent drug (5mg dose) and has a long duration. Now look at N-methyl-DOM (Beatrice): https://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal011.shtml
Adding another N-methyl group and you're looking at something of mescaline-like potency lol
Of course N,N-dialkyl groups aren't universally "bad" (just look at tryptamines), however in phenethylamines including amphetamines and cathinones they suck balls.
Roi is right, coincidentally this was a recent issue in PD when someone wanted to discuss 2CLisaB which has a tetrahydroisoquinoline as its tertiary amine function, and I was able to dig up a PIHKAL quote saying that tertiary amine psychedelic phenethylamines are not really active, secondary amines are a ten-fold loss in potency already compared to their primary amines...
Stims and empathogens are different, they do tolerate and benefit from an N-methyl a lot of the time (secondary amine), but like dimethylone and dibutylone show tertiary amines rely a lot on metabolism to the secondary amine and you lose the punch of the attack dose that way which tends to make them lackluster.
For some reason pyrrolidines are a bit different, but the reuptake inhibition of MDPV-type compounds becomes such a biggie that you apparently can't really compare em.
Expect the para-methyl of the compound this thread is about to not fix the limitations dimethyl stims like these have.
wait what? are you guys saying its pretty unlikely that we ever will witness something in the levels of meph again?