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Most Recreational/Euphoric/Social Psychedelic?

Amyl Nitrate (if you consider it to be psychedelic)

Firstly it's nitrite, and secondly I don't see how anyone could call it psychedelic in anyway :)

As peeps have said, MDMA fulfills your criteria best if taken to be a psych. 2C-B would probably follow.
 
High doses of powerfull sativa without tolerance are psychedelic and very recreational.
 
Which psychedelics have you done?
I don't count MDMA to be a psychedelic either but the ones I have done are: DXM, LSA, LSD and Shrooms.

What is your favourite psychedelic?
LSD by 10,000x

Which psychedelic do you find to be the most recreational? LSD
The most euphoric? LSD
The most social? I guess DXM, I don't like talking to people who aren't on LSD whilst i'm on LSD. You are just at a different level of communication.
 
Psychedelics I've only done once: 2CB, AMT, Mescaline, Ipracetin and 5-meo-dmt

Psychedelics I've done more than once: LSD, Marijuana, LSA, DMT, Ketamine, 2CI, Mushrooms, Amanitas, Salvia, Marijuana, Dramamine (a very stupid drug), MDA, DXM, 2CT2, 2CE, and probably a couple others I'm not remembering.

My favorite psychedelics when used by themselves as of now are: LSD, 2CB and Mescaline. Mushrooms for the longest time were at the top of this list.

Most recreational: lower end doses of LSD, 2CB and ketamine

Most euphoric:
AMT gave me the strongest euphoria ever, but I was later told that I had also unknowingly ingested a DMT brew someone offered me thinking it was mushroom tea. The euphoria was so intense that I thought my brain was going to explode. It kind of frightened me at the time.

Other psychedelics that have been the most euphoric but not dangerously so as my AMT experience: LSD and 5-meo-dmt. Next would be MDA and 2CB

Most social: Ketamine in small doses

Some of these psychedelics I haven't explored enough to know their full potential. Its very possible that some of them deserve to be on my lists where they aren't. Also some of them would rank in these categories when combined with other substances.
 
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Calling MDMA/MDA a psychedelic is questionable but it is definitely the most social drug I have ever tried.

MDMA has some psychedelic properties but at a good enough dose (and possibly the right ROA) MDA (IV'd) is one of the most psychedelic experiences I've ever had. Even for a 20-30 minute duration it was more intense than any acid, ketamine, mushroom trip I've had (I recently IV'd K while in the peak of an acid trip, IV MDA was still much more intense).

The reason why I say this is because when I did this, within 1 minute I had no sense of the real world, I could only see visuals. I have never had such a complete, realistic OEV psychedelic experience (at least on par or better than a high dose mushroom trip).
 
MDMA never gives me visuals .

And it only makes my body feel like the floating in xtc feeling on the comeup . Once I have comeup I just feel incredibly social and empathetic
 
First:
Which psychedelics have you done?
2c-b, 2c-b-FLY, 2c-e, 2c-i, 2c-t-2, 2c-t-7, 4-aco-dipt, 4-aco-mipt, 4-ho-met, 4-meo-pcp, 5-meo-aMT, 5-meo-mipt, a-MT, Amanita Muscaria, Bromo-dragonFLY, DMT, Ketamine, LSA, LSD, Magic Mushrooms, Mescaline, MDE, MMDA-2, Nos, Salvia, & yopo.

Second:
If you have a favorite psychedelic which one is it?
Mescaline.

Third:
Which psychedelic do you find to be the most recreational?
The most euphoric?
The most social?

Mescaline would again be top. But I'd also pick LSD, 2c-b & MMDA-2.
 
First:
Which psychedelics have you done?

Amanitas (wouldn't count them myself but you said dissociatives count), LSD, HBW, 5-MeO-MiPT, DiPT, 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-DMT, unknown DOx (probably DOM), DPT, psilocybin mushrooms.

Second:
If you have a favorite psychedelic which one is it?

Usually the one I last tripped on. But I have a thing for 5-MeO-MiPT. DPT has been the most powerful and rewarding yet. LSD and HBW are special in that they feel fully natural, almost like an extension of sobriety rather than drug induced trauma.

Third:
Which psychedelic do you find to be the most recreational?

I think all psychedelics have serious therapeutic potential and would rather not use them for a giddy time (although that happens a lot too). I must say DiPT is very funny in low doses with the hearing distortion.
The most euphoric?
HBW
The most social?
The 4-substituteds, weirdly enough.
 
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Used: LSD, LSAs, Mushrooms, Mescaline, 2C-I, Nitrous, DXM, Salvia, amanita muscaria, diphenhydramine, probably MDA and other MDMA-like substances in street rolls but I can't be sure

The most easily recreational above is nitrous, simply because it is a short time commitment with little risk of a negative experience. However, it's hardly social to be zonked out on dissociatives and, while nitrous can certainly seem somewhat euphoric, it's also numbing which makes the euphoria unusual and hard to compare to non-dissociative euphoria. Of the longer lasting substances, I'd say the most recreational is 2C-I; it has never approached ego death, extreme negative thought loops or terror, etc. even on fairly high doses, at least in my experience. LSD is usually a blast, but it can get much more intense and I imagine most people here who have more than a couple LSD trips under their belts have had trips that they would not call recreational in a traditional sense. If recreational is understood to mean 'the fun aspects of psychedelia (body high, visuals, altered thought process, sense of novelty and wonder at common activities and events, etc.) with minimal potential for a bad or difficult trip' then 2C-I would have to be the one.

2C-I and LSD vie off for the euphoria crown. Every serotonergic psychedelic I've used has a pretty high potential for euphoria, but psilocin and mescaline can be quite rough physically at times as well. LSD has the twin honors of having spurred my most intensely euphoric trips to date and having virtually zero risk of any unpleasant body load. 2C-I is more consistent in degree of euphoria; while it's never passed the intensity of my best LSD trips, 2C-I's euphoria is consistently above LSD's average. While I sometimes get minor body load from 2C-I, it's never been severe enough that I felt worse overall than I would sober for more than a brief window on some of my first couple come ups. Overall I think the euphoria crown goes to 2C-I, although if I had both available in quantity side by side to compare I might change my mind - my 2C-I use started recently, whereas it's been about a year and a half since I tripped on acid.

As for most social... Despite its recreational 'softness' and stimulant properties, I'm not sure I'd feel particularly comfortable in public on any significant dose of 2C-I. My 2C-I trips have all been solo thus far, which my be shaping my opinion here, but the combination of physical intensity and the headspace it puts me in seem best suited for some degree of passivity; even chatting with people online felt at times like an annoying obligation not to get distracted and focus on something else. If I had 2C-I available back in college, I may have a very different opinion here; set and setting are powerful forces indeed. Memories of several LSD trips back at school make me feel very comfortable socially with the material (although obviously only in appropriate settings; a small gathering with friends or even a pseudo-public party is one thing, but places with lots of disinterested adult strangers and/or authority figures may not be the best locales). While it can get quite intense mentally and visually, its lack of any body load makes me more comfortable with situations not completely in my control, such as social settings. The more body load I have, the more I want to be solo tripping so I can drop what I'm doing on a whim, curl up in blankets, dress up or down, etc. without having to think about other people and how my actions affect them or might need to be explained to them. This is probably just an idiosyncrasy of my own approach to tripping but for me at least, LSD wins out for social psychedelia. Low dose DXM is also somewhat social, although if I wanted to socialise with a feeling of mild dissociation I'd probably just drink.
 
i wonder which is the funniest ? perhaps set and setting is key for this

i have laughed quite hard on mescaline, real hard on psilocybin, however i have never laughed so hard i cant even talk as with LSD - i think it's the potent adrenergic/dopaminic effects that push this ?

2CB was funny, yet not gobsmackingly so

4HOMET has been on my mind though - i dont have the desire for a deep trip and hear this one is light, i just want to laugh uncontrolle for an hour or more

maybe if that doesnt work out i just eat more acid

however i bet the phenethylamine-amphetamines DOM or DOB would be recreational - the amphetamine kick !

i read somewhere that LSD + amphetamine was owsley's favorite combo
 
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Most visual? 2C-E

Most euphoric? MDA

Most social? MDA

Most intense? Mushrooms


MDA is not a very fair comparison to most other psychedelics because it's not similar in it's mode of action. MDA is way too euphoric and is technically 'rolling' not 'tripping', so of course it's going to be best for social situations and all that. It's not very deep though, I got great visuals and killer euphoria on it, but nothing mind-expanding. Not even close to mushrooms or 2C-E.
 
MDMA is not a psychedelic.

You can see that MDMA and MDA are distinct from the psychedelic amphetamines by looking at a particular situation. Consider the nearly identical molecule 3,4-DMA (actually the simplest possible psychedelic amphetamine). R isomer is more active for 3,4-DMA -- but then if you simply add one bridging methylene group to constrain the orientation of the meta methoxy's lone pairs -- you yield MDA which is S isomer more active.

So, the two nearly-identical compounds can't interact with the same active site. If you imagine 3 points of interaction between 3,4-DMA and its active site, the corresponding S isomer can only have 1 point of interaction because its the mirror image -- it'll share a point of interaction, and the other two points will flip. 1 out of 3 points of interaction isn't sufficient for the drug to be a decent agonist at the active site, and if MDA were a psychedelic drug, it should be an agonist of similar magnitude there. This example is especially poignant because the change between the molecules is practically negligible, but it yields a complete exchange of regioselectivity.

MDA and MDMA aren't stimulants either, they're entactogens which represent a completely distinct and novel therapeutic class.
 
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Oh come on Rog, we've been through this before. MDMA is very much psychedelic, just because it doesn't cause visuals doesn't it can't completely shift your perspective and make you reevaluate your belief system, etc, etc..

Psychedelics can also be entactogenic, thus aren't entactogens also psychedelics?

I feel like PD should have Big&Dandies for MDMA and MDA for the 'psychedelic' experiences they produce. Hell, we already have B&D bk-MDMA, bk-MBDB, 4-MMC.. think about it.

The way MDMA is used by the masses yields few psychedelic or entactogenic experiences, I'll give it that.
 
MDMA is not a psychedelic.

You can see that MDMA and MDA are distinct from the psychedelic amphetamines by looking at a particular situation. Consider the nearly identical molecule 3,4-DMA (actually the simplest possible psychedelic amphetamine). R isomer is more active for 3,4-DMA -- but then if you simply add one bridging methylene group to constrain the orientation of the meta methoxy's lone pairs -- you yield MDA which is S isomer more active.

So, the two nearly-identical compounds can't interact with the same active site. If you imagine 3 points of interaction between 3,4-DMA and its active site, the corresponding S isomer can only have 1 point of interaction because its the mirror image -- it'll share a point of interaction, and the other two points will flip. 1 out of 3 points of interaction isn't sufficient for the drug to be a decent agonist at the active site, and if MDA were a psychedelic drug, it should be an agonist of similar magnitude there. This example is especially poignant because the change between the molecules is practically negligible, but it yields a complete exchange of regioselectivity.

MDA and MDMA aren't stimulants either, they're entactogens which represent a completely distinct and novel therapeutic class.

I'm pretty sure MDA has significantly more activity at 5ht2a than MDMA?

I also thought that MDMA and MDA were both increased heart rate and MDA had significant dopamine action? Sure, they're entactogens, but who says the classes can't overlap?
 
I also thought that MDMA and MDA were both increased heart rate and MDA had significant dopamine action? Sure, they're entactogens, but who says the classes can't overlap?

David Nichols, in his paper Derivatives of 1-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-butanamine: Representatives of a Novel Therapeutic Class [J. Med. Chem. 1986, 29, pp2009-2015]

Also, the only classical psychedelic that interacts significantly with any dopamine receptors is LSD (and as a partial agonist)... entactogens attach to dopamine transporters (not receptors) and vesicle monoamine transporters to cause dopamine efflux. Its a totally different mechanism.. the structurally similar psychedelic amphetamines act only through the 5-HT system as partial agonists and have no affinity for catecholamine sites whatsoever.

Oh come on Rog, we've been through this before. MDMA is very much psychedelic, just because it doesn't cause visuals doesn't it can't completely shift your perspective and make you reevaluate your belief system, etc, etc..

Pharmacologically, its pretty black and white that MDMA/MDA aren't similar to the classical psychedelics. The primary piece of evidence being that they have a different active isomer, so having rich partial agonist activity at 5-HT sites (like the classical psychs) would be like fitting a right hand into a left handed glove.

Also, if you extend the alpha-carbon substituent from a methyl to an ethyl, entactogens retain activity (see MDA --> BDB); with psychedelic amphetamines, extending the alpha substituent abolishes activity (see TMA --> a-ethyl mescaline). Entactogens are certainly a distinct pharmacological class, I recommend checking out that paper I mentioned above for more info.
 
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Assuming you mean stereo isomers, that doesn't mean that the right handed glove can't fit on the left hand with some affinity (this is especially the case of simple molecules with one or two rotatable torsions). One case of this is tramadol where two enantiomers both display different affinity for the mu opiod receptors. But I don't think of "psychedelics" and just think pharmacology in terms of structure or binding of known targets; I also think what the overall effect is since our knowledge is woefully incomplete (my standard is high). I'd say MDMA is a partial psychedelic based on experience. We really don't know all the multitargeting (as well as off and antitargeting) it does so based on current knowledge about binding (which I think is very poor for all drugs).

I agree they are not similar to the classical psychedelics. But perhaps the same argument could be made for DXM and cannabinoids.

David Nichols, in his paper Derivatives of 1-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-butanamine: Representatives of a Novel Therapeutic Class [J. Med. Chem. 1986, 29, pp2009-2015]

Also, the only classical psychedelic that interacts significantly with any dopamine receptors is LSD (and as a partial agonist)... entactogens attach to dopamine transporters (not receptors) and vesicle monoamine transporters to cause dopamine efflux. Its a totally different mechanism.. the structurally similar psychedelic amphetamines act only through the 5-HT system as partial agonists and have no affinity for catecholamine sites whatsoever.



Pharmacologically, its pretty black and white that MDMA/MDA aren't similar to the classical psychedelics. The primary piece of evidence being that they have a different active isomer, so having rich partial agonist activity at 5-HT sites (like the classical psychs) would be like fitting a right hand into a left handed glove.

Also, if you extend the alpha-carbon substituent from a methyl to an ethyl, entactogens retain activity (see MDA --> BDB); with psychedelic amphetamines, extending the alpha substituent abolishes activity (see TMA --> a-ethyl mescaline). Entactogens are certainly a distinct pharmacological class, I recommend checking out that paper I mentioned above for more info.
 
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Used: MDMA (and related molecules), LSD, mushrooms, cannabis (the plant) and THC, doxylamine succinate (once; I ended up in a full blow delirium that lasted 3 days; I'm afraid to go back to this but I guess I could do it with a sitter), DXM, DMT (low), amanita, salvia/salvinorin-A, ...,

Favourite: currently DXM + hash oil; but I like them all except for doxylamine succinate.

Most euphoric: I can't say a single one is as euphoric as particular combinations by more than an order of magnitude. Easily the most euphoric experience I've had has been hash oil + DXM (about to go in again now), followed up with MDMA + LSD and MDMA+shrooms. (MDMA by itself is euphoric but far more social than these combinations; LSD and shrooms also have tended to be euphoric for me but I know it's not always the case and I've stopped using either of them without MDMA.) To me, OEV is a good indication of a pyschedelic. Basically hallucinations are how I'd classify psychedelics more than simply their pharmacology.

Most social: MDMA

Most intense: hash oil + DXM

Believe it or not, I've had a psychedelic experience with cocaine from repeated dosing in a short time (3 weeks). At the very end of the 3 weeks, I was seeing clear open eyed full blown (meaning they weren't just patterns which you see with diphenhydramine for example) visuals which were all green lines. So it was like a green laser drawing images which could become other images which could become images that I could "guide" (i.e., see what I want to see) like with LSD or shrooms at moderate doses.

It could've been sleep deprivation but when the cocaine went out of my system, the halluncinations went away. I think this was actually cocaine induced psychosis but it wasn't bad at all.
 
mdma hands down its psychadelic keep eatin rolls until ur dog starts talking to you

Nice one, recommending people to overdose MDMA to get hallucinations.

You seem intelligent.

On Topic: I find 5-MeO-MiPT to be a good psychedelic for social settings.
 
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