Meth Moderate dose of methamphetamine for ADHD - your advice?

[NawdybyNature]

I'm curious why you're saying "i'm playing with fire" though. Are you saying this because meth has serious health (heart & brain) consequences for my body in long term even in therapeutic doses? Or is it because meth is prone to abuse and addiction?

Both. Plus the potential legal ramifications. I'm not saying you shouldn't pursue any and all avenues that are available to you, I'm just pointing out that no matter how you look at it the meth route is inherently more dangerous.

 

[Mimi Bordeaux]

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I never really abused any substance in my life. I don't drink alcohol (not even occasionally; I never touch it). The only reason that kept me from abusing drugs is that I'm aware that it could kill me. Whenever I see my crystals I know it could kill me, and I keep that behind my head all the time; "too much of anything is good for nothing".

My only issue with meth is insomnia. I often get trouble falling asleep when I use meth (as small as 17mg) that day. I sleep around 12 to 1 AM midnight, and I take my meth dose around 2 PM. I eat grapes before sleep, but that barely helps. I'd really like to know how to deal with it and how you guys deal with it. Pretty sure many ADHD meds will give you a hard time when trying to fall asleep (but I know those have a smaller half-life than meth, but unfortunately, meth is the only stimulant I can get hold of). But I guess XR (extended-release) has a longer half-life, so maybe people who take XR could guide me. And why do you not recommend it for daily consumption? I'm taking it as therapy for ADHD, so shouldn't I take it daily?

You could try Valium commonly known as a benzo. These are anti anxiety drugs co the doctor. You must get a script. It helps with sleep and the restlessness that the meth can give you. I'm not promoting the use of benzos and other drugs but it's one method of assistance you could try. Anyway good luck

 

[Jabberwocky]

I never really abused any substance in my life. I don't drink alcohol (not even occasionally; I never touch it). The only reason that kept me from abusing drugs is that I'm aware that it could kill me. Whenever I see my crystals I know it could kill me, and I keep that behind my head all the time; "too much of anything is good for nothing".

My only issue with meth is insomnia. I often get trouble falling asleep when I use meth (as small as 17mg) that day. I sleep around 12 to 1 AM midnight, and I take my meth dose around 2 PM. I eat grapes before sleep, but that barely helps. I'd really like to know how to deal with it and how you guys deal with it. Pretty sure many ADHD meds will give you a hard time when trying to fall asleep (but I know those have a smaller half-life than meth, but unfortunately, meth is the only stimulant I can get hold of). But I guess XR (extended-release) has a longer half-life, so maybe people who take XR could guide me. And why do you not recommend it for daily consumption? I'm taking it as therapy for ADHD, so shouldn't I take it daily?

Take it in the morning.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm curious why you're saying "i'm playing with fire" though. Are you saying this because meth has serious health (heart & brain) consequences for my body in long term even in therapeutic doses? Or is it because meth is prone to abuse and addiction?

If you are actually dosing yourself at 20-25mg, that's no more than Desoxyn.

For the insomnia, maybe do a 10mg dose upon waking, and 10mg at noon, instead of 20-25mg at 2pm

 

[ninjapirateroberts]

If you are actually dosing yourself at 20-25mg, that's no more than Desoxyn.

For the insomnia, maybe do a 10mg dose upon waking, and 10mg at noon, instead of 20-25mg at 2pm

Thankfully I saved up enough money for an ADHD diagnosis with an actual psychiatrist and was diagnosed with ADHD and autism spectrum disorder last month. I've been on 20mg of Vyvanse for the past week now. I don't have to self-medicate with meth anymore

 

[xtcgrrrl]

Thankfully I saved up enough money for an ADHD diagnosis with an actual psychiatrist and was diagnosed with ADHD and autism spectrum disorder last month. I've been on 20mg of Vyvanse for the past week now. I don't have to self-medicate with meth anymore

That’s great to hear!!! Good luck with it!

 

[ninjapirateroberts]

That’s great to hear!!! Good luck with it!

Thank you

I've always known I have ADHD, and recently it's been very difficult to cope with my schoolwork, and I failed my classes (I was literally on a "warning period" for this semester). I have had ADD since I was a child, but my parents thought it was considered "taboo" to have a child with a "mental disability" like ADHD (like they don't wanna see me as a "special child"), so I had untreated ADHD.

I know I needed help, but I couldn't afford treatment (the cost for ADHD was insane, like ~$3000 for an initial assessment), and I was left devastated since I am a broke college student.

Before I knew I had clinical ADHD, I was introduced to stimulants by one of my "escort friends" (she had access to many kinds of drugs), and she gifted me a gram of cocaine one day. I tried it at home, and it somehow made my ADD symptoms disappear, and I was able to study and work with focus while I was on cocaine. But cocaine was giving me panic attacks at night times, so I did some research and switched to methamphetamine. And meth changed my life (I know this is strange for most people to hear because meth might have changed their lives sideways), but meth literally saved my ass.

I know I will need stimulant medications for the rest of my life, and I definitely don't wanna be taking meth for long-term (since I cannot be open about stimulant use with my medical record, which might be significant), so I finally saved money by skipping meals, transport costs, and other unnecessary costs and saved up just enough to get an ADHD diagnosis. Thankfully my university health insurance was able to cover my medication costs.

If it weren't for methamphetamine, I would have been expelled from my university (because I cannot pass courses due to my untreated ADHD), and my life would have been fucked. And I really mean this when I say this

Who knows, I might need meth as a temporary helping hand in the future if I move to another province (for the initial time to see another psychiatrist to get a prescription for a stimulant since doctors in Canada cannot prescribe controlled substances in another province) or if I move to another country. But meth deserves a place in my heart for saving my ass a lot of times.

 

[C0ld1]

was researching something else when I came across your post. Noted its several months old now but since I'm doing the same thing I felt I had to weigh in as I'm likely the most directly experienced with what your inquiring about, although I know fuck all about your grapes and ACV shit.
first off; obligatory alternatives
supplements: L-tyrosine is the precursor to dopamine in the brain, which is the chemical that is imbalanced in ADHD. additionally L-DOPA which is literally dopamine from a fuzzy bean, should help exponentially but do not take them AND the meth, its either those two or the crystal. what I highly encourage you take regardless, absolute must haves, B vitamins are essential to treating ADHD symptoms, recovering from the effects of any amphetamine, as well as help (but not entirely) prevent any damage they may cause *side note, you can overload your brain with dopamine to the point that nothing on earth will ever give you any kind of pleasure ever again (which is also kind of the essence of addiction i.e. if sex is +10 to dopamine, cigarettes are +6, birthday cake is +3 then meth by comparison is +1000 don't fuck yourself over "self-diagnosed") the brand Nature's Bounty makes a super complex with folic acid that I've used for years, DHA is that fish oil stuff but a specific type, Garden of Life makes an entirely DHA pill of 1000mg, I researched that heavy trust me that is the one you want, vitamin D, "Magtein" which is some kind of Magnesium that is modified to be more bioavailable and also more easily cross the blood/brain barrier, there was a study done that suggested ADHD people are deficient in VitD and Mag so there ya go, and if your really feeling frisky with this supplement route, bacopa (Cognance), citicholine(Cognizin) and Alpha gpc.
with that out of the way on to the meat and potatoes.
acetone, crush your crystal as fine as possible, stick it in a coffee filter and then into glass cup. Fill it up until its all submerged and swish it around a bit. Then pull out the coffee filter with all your crystal still inside it and just set it aside til it all dries up in an hour or 2. Now it's clean. you can take the cleanliness/purity even further and recrystalize it but that is a whole undertaking I don't have much experience with and also don't feel like typing out.

15mg is pretty high for someone who diagnosed themselves, also, I'm just putting this out there, ADHD is the most over-diagnosed mental illness. I would go off of what mg Desoxyn is manufactured and prescribed in; if I remember correctly it's 5mg 10 and the highest is 15. You should not be taking more than the highest dose of prescribed meth, theres a reason it rarely, if at all, get's prescribed to anyone anymore. Certainly not before being prescribed Adderall which may be weaker in it effects but is also significantly less neuro-toxic, if it even is at all.
As for you're racing heart, you can go back to the supplement pool and get yourself some l-theanine, which comes from tea, so you can also start drinking some green tea if you don't want the supplement version, but that comes with a bit of caffeine and you mentioned insomnia so I'd go with l-theanine pill if i were you. other than that ashwaghanda is the only other I can think of that would take that edge off.
btw just wondering, why can't you just buy adderall off the dark web? like there are testing kits for purity and such and pill look-up repositorys online.
the insomnia, next to the dry mouth and staving off any feelings of hunger whatsoever, is a hallmark side-effect of amphetamines. the most you can do is get yourself some melatonin and chamomile tea and try to relax. Find whatever it is that puts you to bed, like for me I need a fan blowing air on me, cooling the room so I don't overheat and sweat in the covers. having a before-bed routine will pavlov your body into being tired.
Clearing out the meth from your body is just water. A lot of water. It's coming out of your kidneys so don't think too hard into it and just drink a lot of water.

Finally, just wanted to throw this out there to you and whoever else this may work for, but I have a pad lock with a timer and a utility/storage box I got at walmart. I take my medicine, do my thing, then its back in the box and it gets set to 3 days. That means I can't get to it for 3 days. Which doesn't seem very long sure, but that's roughly how long it takes to get out of your system. I'm not going to buy more and a pipe if I know where that stuff I already have is located. spending more money on duplicates and way more than I neeeed would just be irresponsible.

 

[Ton Croose]

No idea if it helps ADHD, but maybe Modafinil is worth looking into? It doesn't always fix my focus problems, but it often helps a lot. Maybe it could be combined with a micro-dose of meth. Not addictive.

Edit: I just Googled it and it sounds like I am right, that it is worth considering. I always take it first thing in the morning, it takes over an hour to take effect. It does raise heart rate, so take a small amount at first e.g. a third or quarter of a pill.

For insomnia Stilux Rotundin is a god-send for me. It's like the first time I took Xanax every time I take it. Definitely not addictive imho.

Both can be ordered online, pretty much legally (Modafinil is not legal but not like a natcotic). Rotundin is definitely over the counter, just not available in most countries.

 

[GamallSkóli]

Hello everyone; I'm new to this forum. I've been reading many threads on this forum for some time, so I decided to create an account.

I have been taking 15-20mg of crystal methamphetamine for my ADHD. I self-diagnosed my ADHD (and I had autism as a child) because I'm a student (for context, I'm 21), and an adult ADHD assessment costs around $2000-$3500 in my area (Toronto, Canada), and my student health insurance couldn't cover it (but it seem to cover for prescription pills like Adderall, Vyvanse, Dexedrine, etc. though). I tried getting Adderall, but it looked like every vendor sells meth pressed as Adderall, so I decided to buy crystal methamphetamine and a milligram scale and use the meth that way (I buy everything from the darknet). At least that way, I know what I'm consuming.

I crush my crystal methamphetamine, measure about 15-20mg on a milligram scale, and take the crystal orally. I can feel the effects in about 20-30 mins. But sometimes I get panic over increased heart rate and meth's cardiovascular consequences. The initial panic usually goes away after about an hour into the drug but comes back when meth is fading away. It's not very serious, but it still makes me concerned (I guess that's common with most stimulant medications?) I eat grapes about 2 hours before sleep since I read Resveratrol would excrete methamphetamine faster. I also drink apple cider vinegar (ACV) (mainly for kidneys, so it's unrelated, but I'm curious how that would interact).

I'm new to taking methamphetamine for therapeutic uses for ADHD (but not totally new to stimulants in general, I used to take cocaine, but that caused me scary panic attacks on sleep, so I had to give up on that; I've been taking modafinil 200mg for over two years). So my question is, (1) what is your advice regarding safety precautions, (2) how grapes (resveratrol) would interact when taken before sleep (does it make excrete meth faster?), and (3) ACV interaction. (4) I will be using meth very responsibly, and I don't have a family history of heart disease, so advice for dealing with panic, fast heart rate, and increased blood pressure is also appreciated (any general advice is appreciated). I do get muscle twitches in my arm, but it's not very serious. Sometimes, after 30 minutes of taking my meth dose, I get a little shaky, but it goes away in 15-20 minutes. I monitor my heart rate with my apple watch and have a BP measuring machine at home.

Thank you, everyone!

I've got a case study for you...sort of. I have a friend who has narcolepsy. She's in the same boat you are. She doesn't have health insurance and can't afford to go see a doctor every three months just to get a script refilled. Like you, she manages the meth carefully and responsibility. She uses it IV twice a day at low doses. She's been at it for at least twenty years and hasn't experienced any negative repercussions to date. The only real downside is, if she gets caught with that shit, she could go away for a year or two. At least that's the case in our state.

Anyway, good luck in your struggle with AADD. My oldest daughter daughter suffers with it so I know it's a real thing. I also know the medication made her life better. So hang in there brother.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

was researching something else when I came across your post. Noted its several months old now but since I'm doing the same thing I felt I had to weigh in as I'm likely the most directly experienced with what your inquiring about, although I know fuck all about your grapes and ACV shit.
first off; obligatory alternatives
supplements: L-tyrosine is the precursor to dopamine in the brain, which is the chemical that is imbalanced in ADHD. additionally L-DOPA which is literally dopamine from a fuzzy bean, should help exponentially but do not take them AND the meth, its either those two or the crystal. what I highly encourage you take regardless, absolute must haves, B vitamins are essential to treating ADHD symptoms, recovering from the effects of any amphetamine, as well as help (but not entirely) prevent any damage they may cause *side note, you can overload your brain with dopamine to the point that nothing on earth will ever give you any kind of pleasure ever again (which is also kind of the essence of addiction i.e. if sex is +10 to dopamine, cigarettes are +6, birthday cake is +3 then meth by comparison is +1000 don't fuck yourself over "self-diagnosed") the brand Nature's Bounty makes a super complex with folic acid that I've used for years, DHA is that fish oil stuff but a specific type, Garden of Life makes an entirely DHA pill of 1000mg, I researched that heavy trust me that is the one you want, vitamin D, "Magtein" which is some kind of Magnesium that is modified to be more bioavailable and also more easily cross the blood/brain barrier, there was a study done that suggested ADHD people are deficient in VitD and Mag so there ya go, and if your really feeling frisky with this supplement route, bacopa (Cognance), citicholine(Cognizin) and Alpha gpc.
with that out of the way on to the meat and potatoes.
acetone, crush your crystal as fine as possible, stick it in a coffee filter and then into glass cup. Fill it up until its all submerged and swish it around a bit. Then pull out the coffee filter with all your crystal still inside it and just set it aside til it all dries up in an hour or 2. Now it's clean. you can take the cleanliness/purity even further and recrystalize it but that is a whole undertaking I don't have much experience with and also don't feel like typing out.

15mg is pretty high for someone who diagnosed themselves, also, I'm just putting this out there, ADHD is the most over-diagnosed mental illness. I would go off of what mg Desoxyn is manufactured and prescribed in; if I remember correctly it's 5mg 10 and the highest is 15. You should not be taking more than the highest dose of prescribed meth, theres a reason it rarely, if at all, get's prescribed to anyone anymore. Certainly not before being prescribed Adderall which may be weaker in it effects but is also significantly less neuro-toxic, if it even is at all.
As for you're racing heart, you can go back to the supplement pool and get yourself some l-theanine, which comes from tea, so you can also start drinking some green tea if you don't want the supplement version, but that comes with a bit of caffeine and you mentioned insomnia so I'd go with l-theanine pill if i were you. other than that ashwaghanda is the only other I can think of that would take that edge off.
btw just wondering, why can't you just buy adderall off the dark web? like there are testing kits for purity and such and pill look-up repositorys online.
the insomnia, next to the dry mouth and staving off any feelings of hunger whatsoever, is a hallmark side-effect of amphetamines. the most you can do is get yourself some melatonin and chamomile tea and try to relax. Find whatever it is that puts you to bed, like for me I need a fan blowing air on me, cooling the room so I don't overheat and sweat in the covers. having a before-bed routine will pavlov your body into being tired.
Clearing out the meth from your body is just water. A lot of water. It's coming out of your kidneys so don't think too hard into it and just drink a lot of water.

Finally, just wanted to throw this out there to you and whoever else this may work for, but I have a pad lock with a timer and a utility/storage box I got at walmart. I take my medicine, do my thing, then its back in the box and it gets set to 3 days. That means I can't get to it for 3 days. Which doesn't seem very long sure, but that's roughly how long it takes to get out of your system. I'm not going to buy more and a pipe if I know where that stuff I already have is located. spending more money on duplicates and way more than I neeeed would just be irresponsible.

When it comes to adderall on the dark web its one of two things: very expensive real pharma or super cheap meth pressies. I think just getting straight crystal and dosing it properly yourself is a good option in this scenario