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Millionnaires have some more money
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Mr Smokes Blunts.
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It's not a teenage rebellion thing, trust me. I fought the Conservative thoughts for years for fear my parents would disown me. I just noticed that Labour fucked my family at every possible opportunity. I was rabidly anti-Thatcher until I was 20 when I actually bothered to read up on several of her policies, what those policies were trying to fix, and the success/failure they had. It would have been o so easy for me to be your average lower middle class Socialist studenty type.
Okay...
Mr Smokes Blunts.
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Here we fucking go. Why do I even bother?
StoneHappyMonday
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No matter how people debate with you, you insult them. So fuck right off Tory boy. You missed an era you know nothing of, not a golden era but one of (slightly more) community than the cold individualism faced today. To be sad for you missing that isn't an insult.
Yours, however, was. So fuck right off and die.
tambourine-man
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^ lol
wow
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wow
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monstanoodle
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Indeed! I was going to ask him to be nice, but there was so much sense and passion in there that I can do naught but applaud :D
**Hands SHM a big cigar**
**Hands SHM a big cigar**
Mr Smokes Blunts.
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What the fuck are you talking about? You said the following before I said any insult to you:
"I see him most of them as politically indocrianted scum with the odd mental deficient thrown in who have had all traces of humanity and selfnessless washed from their souls. The rest are simply vermin."
You then implied that I was the politically indoctrinated scum type with no trace of humanity or selflessness... so yes, despite your pleas of clean hands in this whole thing, you started it you thick as fuck retard. Saying that you're sad for me after saying I am brainwashed just highlighted what an arrogant cunt you really are. Your reply to me was well out of proportion to anything I wrote to you, but then what should I expect from the most collosal bellend I have ever had the misfortune of coming across anywhere?
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missing old pills
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Alot of moaning about another budget from a bunch of puppets who do the bidding for a higher unseen power.
Doesn't matter what cocks are at the helm we are always steered in the same direction.
When are WE all going to wake up and smell the coffee?
1 ant can't move an elephant but millions can.
Less moaning and let's all show the minority the only thing they understand.
Unlearn what we've been conditioned to live like.
Stop excepting that it's 'always been this way for us'
Let's fuck the 1% up once and for all.
It's easy if we stood firm instead of running.
The answer lies in all of us.
Doesn't matter what cocks are at the helm we are always steered in the same direction.
When are WE all going to wake up and smell the coffee?
1 ant can't move an elephant but millions can.
Less moaning and let's all show the minority the only thing they understand.
Unlearn what we've been conditioned to live like.
Stop excepting that it's 'always been this way for us'
Let's fuck the 1% up once and for all.
It's easy if we stood firm instead of running.
The answer lies in all of us.
Mr Smokes Blunts.
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missing old pills
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Right on brother
StoneHappyMonday
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Don't know. Kill yourself.
Mr Smokes Blunts.
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Great come back you worthless piece of shit. I would say kill yourself back but no one would notice or care that you were gone
(aside from the odd celebration of course )
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Shambles
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*can do little but sit back and marvel at SHM in full flow*
On form in this thread, fella
And bang on the (lack of) money as ever too.
The point about cutting tax for the uberrich but not upping benefits (or for that matter minimum wage) for us scum who fund their obscene wealth therefore allowing the cunts to skirt the system and pay fuck all back was very well made. We may not be hoping to recruit more dolescum but we could certainly do with offloading some actual scum from the "top" end.
I pay more fuckin' tax than pretty much every "chief executive cuntbag" (or whatever self-aggrandising bullshit title they give themselves at the moment) put together myself every year. And I'm on the sick. Fuck 'em. We'd be better off without 'em. Let the cunts live in their lil tax havens they fund so well if they're so very loyal and devoted to the economy there. Cos they certainly couldn't give a flying fuck about the country they were born in, ostensibly live in, and completely fail to pay even a token amount of tax in. And hope they get surburnt there too
PS: Despite being on the dole/sick for more years than not, the years I have worked I chose to pay 40% tax cos I knew damn well I'd likely be taking more outta the system than I put in over my lifetime. Doesn't matter how much you get paid - being a greedy prick is being a greedy prick.
On form in this thread, fella
And bang on the (lack of) money as ever too.
The point about cutting tax for the uberrich but not upping benefits (or for that matter minimum wage) for us scum who fund their obscene wealth therefore allowing the cunts to skirt the system and pay fuck all back was very well made. We may not be hoping to recruit more dolescum but we could certainly do with offloading some actual scum from the "top" end.
I pay more fuckin' tax than pretty much every "chief executive cuntbag" (or whatever self-aggrandising bullshit title they give themselves at the moment) put together myself every year. And I'm on the sick. Fuck 'em. We'd be better off without 'em. Let the cunts live in their lil tax havens they fund so well if they're so very loyal and devoted to the economy there. Cos they certainly couldn't give a flying fuck about the country they were born in, ostensibly live in, and completely fail to pay even a token amount of tax in. And hope they get surburnt there too
PS: Despite being on the dole/sick for more years than not, the years I have worked I chose to pay 40% tax cos I knew damn well I'd likely be taking more outta the system than I put in over my lifetime. Doesn't matter how much you get paid - being a greedy prick is being a greedy prick.
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My two cents:
Cutting the top rate of tax will make no difference to the millionaires who aren't going to stop tax avoiding the tax they should be paying is cut a notch. If they're getting away at the moment with only paying in total, say, 23%, then they will continue to employ their accountants to ensure such a total is kept or reduced further, rather than going 'Oh I wouldn't pay 50% but I'm happy to pay 45!"
Earners on £150k - £250k who won't have accountants will get a tax cut, and are the biggest gainers of the budget.
The stamp duty is a red herring. The very rich will just buy the houses under their wives or children's name which will avoid the tax. 'Closing loopholes' - meh, why not just do that anyway? My feelings is that either they don't want to for fear of losing some of their lobbyists or simply can't.
Overall, the rich have benefited from the budget.
Pension raiding was an interesting one. £83 a year isn't a huge amount but for some pensioners it'll be the difference between eating and heating for a couple of months. Politically Osborne has taken a massive gamble, more so than cutting the top rate of tax. The 60+ age group always have the highest turn out for elections and are always the group who vote Tory the most. Upsetting them is a bad move, which is why throughout the current parliament you've been student fee rise, EMA cut, schools forced to academies etc whilst bus passes, free tv licenses etc for the elderly have remained. It's their core support which win them elections they're keeping happy. Big gamble taking from them, especially when the total figure raised for the treasury matches what we're expected to lose from income tax after 50% rate is removed next year. Big, big gamble.
Er, what else happened? Personal tax allowance rise by £1000 was welcome. That'll give everyone a couple of extra hundred quid to play about with. Although giveth with one hand taketh with the other, it doesn't necessarily mean you're better off. Many tax credits which are being cut will put people worse off than they were before. All kind of depends on circumstance.
Cigs, petrol and now booze are all set for a tax hike. Smokers especially will be worse off. If you're a heavy smoker, say 40 a day, expect to be worse off by £250 or more.
That's my analysis of what happened. Was it a good budget? No, it was dreadful. The cutting of the top rate tax will cause such a disengagement with the government from workers who are seeing everything they've worked for eroded. It's already bad enough with academies, the NHS, forest sell offs, pay freezes, unemployment. The government are really walking a fine line now. Most people bought into their mantra of 'we need to cut' prior to the election on the back of displeasure with the Labour administration, but to me, from someone who keeps a keen eye in politics, it really feels like middle England is 180ing. People wouldn't mind the cuts, provided there is some hope of growth and the lowering of unemployment. Without those two key things, alongside what people perceive to be an unfair budget, the Govt have shot themselves in the foot. The budget really needed some emphasis on growth, not simply a tax cut and longer trading hours on a Sunday during the Olympics. Don't ask me what in particular because I'm not an economist, but the overall feel of the budget was a reshuffling of what we have, rather than a vision of change, of prospects.
Labour have a chance to regain the electorate now but Milliband is, like his predecessor, Tory-lite and is massively underestimating the anger people feel about public services sell offs which should be his bread and butter. Shame.
Just as a side point I don't think the rich simply up sticks and move countries if the tax rate is unfavourable. They're already loaded and family, friends and their business is here. You can't just suggest people will fuck off like that, it's a weak argument, weak like trickle down economics and the Laffer curve.
Cutting the top rate of tax will make no difference to the millionaires who aren't going to stop tax avoiding the tax they should be paying is cut a notch. If they're getting away at the moment with only paying in total, say, 23%, then they will continue to employ their accountants to ensure such a total is kept or reduced further, rather than going 'Oh I wouldn't pay 50% but I'm happy to pay 45!"
Earners on £150k - £250k who won't have accountants will get a tax cut, and are the biggest gainers of the budget.
The stamp duty is a red herring. The very rich will just buy the houses under their wives or children's name which will avoid the tax. 'Closing loopholes' - meh, why not just do that anyway? My feelings is that either they don't want to for fear of losing some of their lobbyists or simply can't.
Overall, the rich have benefited from the budget.
Pension raiding was an interesting one. £83 a year isn't a huge amount but for some pensioners it'll be the difference between eating and heating for a couple of months. Politically Osborne has taken a massive gamble, more so than cutting the top rate of tax. The 60+ age group always have the highest turn out for elections and are always the group who vote Tory the most. Upsetting them is a bad move, which is why throughout the current parliament you've been student fee rise, EMA cut, schools forced to academies etc whilst bus passes, free tv licenses etc for the elderly have remained. It's their core support which win them elections they're keeping happy. Big gamble taking from them, especially when the total figure raised for the treasury matches what we're expected to lose from income tax after 50% rate is removed next year. Big, big gamble.
Er, what else happened? Personal tax allowance rise by £1000 was welcome. That'll give everyone a couple of extra hundred quid to play about with. Although giveth with one hand taketh with the other, it doesn't necessarily mean you're better off. Many tax credits which are being cut will put people worse off than they were before. All kind of depends on circumstance.
Cigs, petrol and now booze are all set for a tax hike. Smokers especially will be worse off. If you're a heavy smoker, say 40 a day, expect to be worse off by £250 or more.
That's my analysis of what happened. Was it a good budget? No, it was dreadful. The cutting of the top rate tax will cause such a disengagement with the government from workers who are seeing everything they've worked for eroded. It's already bad enough with academies, the NHS, forest sell offs, pay freezes, unemployment. The government are really walking a fine line now. Most people bought into their mantra of 'we need to cut' prior to the election on the back of displeasure with the Labour administration, but to me, from someone who keeps a keen eye in politics, it really feels like middle England is 180ing. People wouldn't mind the cuts, provided there is some hope of growth and the lowering of unemployment. Without those two key things, alongside what people perceive to be an unfair budget, the Govt have shot themselves in the foot. The budget really needed some emphasis on growth, not simply a tax cut and longer trading hours on a Sunday during the Olympics. Don't ask me what in particular because I'm not an economist, but the overall feel of the budget was a reshuffling of what we have, rather than a vision of change, of prospects.
Labour have a chance to regain the electorate now but Milliband is, like his predecessor, Tory-lite and is massively underestimating the anger people feel about public services sell offs which should be his bread and butter. Shame.
Just as a side point I don't think the rich simply up sticks and move countries if the tax rate is unfavourable. They're already loaded and family, friends and their business is here. You can't just suggest people will fuck off like that, it's a weak argument, weak like trickle down economics and the Laffer curve.