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Isochroma

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microDose DXM & Cannabis

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15mg DXM
3000mg Piracetam
1/2 bowl cannabis bud
1 cig

Having ten years ago taken about a dozen 250-500mg DXM trips, the subject found that they started with amazing visuals and alien intercommunicative mindspace, including persistent closed-eye visuals and open-eye space warping. They were great but soon were replaced by psychosis mindspaces, especially on the second half of the trip.

One day the subject will undoubtedly write about those past experiences, however they will be referenced only in examplar cases within this document.

The rationale for this test, more than a decade later from the highly undesireable experiences, was to use DXM not as a psychoactive but to prevent the nasty cough that had the participant wasting large quantities of bud trying to smoke. This cough was dry (ie., unproductive).

In short, the desired result was achieved but something else - rather startling - emerged. Not completely unexpected, but fascinating nonetheless.

Please note that this is being written starting at time 20min.

At time 0 a standard teaspoon (15mg) of DXM liquid preparation was orally ingested. The DXM preparation contained pure DXM, artificial sweetener, colors, etc. but did not contain CPM, ASA, or any other medicinals. There was also no sugar present, as the artificial sweetener took the duty entirely.

At time 20 or thereabouts, half a bowl of decent cannabis bud was smoked. It was found to go down easily and the effects were achieved quickly. A definite lack of coughing or irritation was observed.

Since the subject was also able to feel the shape of his awareness very tangibly, and capable to some extent to test the shape, conformity values, and dimensional flexibility of said awareness, the subject did so continuously during the period up to the end of this writing.

Carefully the tendency to become nanoinsane (slightly detectable tendencies, based on internal, motion and volitional trajectories) was observed.

It was found that the tiny 15mg dose was able to significantly strengthen and clarify the resulting cannabis high.

The subject's previous experiences would be closely compared with for even the slightest traces of resemblance to his present condition.

One such event happened while dosing the cannabis at T = 20 min, while he was holding the cannabis pipe for a draw that would be at about a quarter bowl used. Momentarily he stopped, realizing that somewhere, inside his mind a tiny thing that was not normal had occured. Not in the way that such things occur on cannabis alone. For an instant, he noted the fleeting feeling - the ghost - of that insanity of decade's yore. Even upon realizing it, it had promptly slipped away, easily displaced by the moment of concern and awareness.

After the half-bowl was consumed, the subject smoked a usual cigarette. Instead of the usual it was a lot more conscious, cleaner, lacking the tensions and slight jitteriness that had always accompanied it after a dose of cannabis.

Even as the subject moved inside to his computer, he was intensely pressing his awareness to find a flaw, and thinking much, much more clearly and logically than usual after such a dose of cannabis.

There must be a sacrifice to using this microdose, but if it existed it was small. That, he felt, was close to the entire truth, the totality of the answer. The nasty sliver of remaining doubt, the three-percent or one-percent remaining, however, was a concern.

Such clarity must be paid for. Errors were made due to the speed (and ease) of the cannabis comeup. Only half the usual amount was smoked, which lowered the activity yield by somewhat less than fifty percent. The somewhat less part came from the DXM, with a few extra gifts.

To conclude, it must be said that DXM is very much psychoactive at the 15mg level. The subject was clearly stimulated relative to his usual effect on the other substances (which was routine), but also noted that there seemed to be some loss of the fine coefficient. Such loss was also expected but appears to be higher than the stimulation value alone would indicate compared with classic psychostimulants. The difference is attributed to DXM's psychotizing effect which only becomes testably apparent at larger doses. The full penalty of the psychotizing effect portion is paid during comedown. Because it is a tiny effect-fraction at the test dose, it is not strictly noticed.

As a sidenote, visual noise in darkness (VNID) was not affected. However, the subject was during notation only illuminated by dim red light from a software-monochromatized LCD monitor.

Using a minimal dose, it is possible (at least with the piracetam) to amplify, and somewhat alter, the cannabis / piracetam / cigarette experience (cannabis / piracetam phase and total phase). The alteration is toward being able to think more clearly, write quicker, and not suffer the head fogginess of the former. Piracetam does help the subject, but was never by itself this effective.

Also, memory is enhanced significantly, and so is hearing, probably mostly due to the lower cannabis noise and higher alertness. Exactly the opposite of the usual effects shown to the subject by his high-dose DXM trips (usually alone, sometimes with small amount of low-potency cannabis) a decade ago.

Memory enhancement ocurred with both short-term and long-term functional modalities. It is hoped that this document can best illustrate the actual case, as it was written during the peak.

The clarity of this combination is truly profound and not a placebo effect. It is there but if allowed to bloom with even higher doses will corrupt into insanity. That is how it is with the deliriants. The corruption point differs between people and other factors.

Visual effects were also looked for, in particular the subject's usual measures: room corners that don't meet at ninety degrees, motion trails and other visual effects both on moving the head rapidly and moving the eyes alone, rapidly. These visual effects were so close to nil as to be indistinguishable from it.

Balance and gait were excellent, in fact far superior to the effect of cannabis, cannabis-tobacco, and cannabis-piracetam-tobacco combinations of the subject's former experiences.

Organization ability including working with difficult objects outside in darkness was observed to be distinctly improved, with typical time-to-completion decreases of 40-60%.

Finally, a noted relaxation began somewhere around twenty minutes after the DXM ingestion. The usual muscle tension and shivering that occurs to the subject on cannabis (smoked outdoors in cold wind) was not present. Instead, a calm warmth especially in the legs was noted. Also noticed was even warmth of general body temperature, and a slight increase in heat generation (basal metabolic rate).

Urination frequency and difficulty were as normal: no detectable change.

The subject found that DXM aided the effort of tobacco smoking, and modulated its affects in a positive way by decreasing excessive stimulation and altering the qualitative effects.

Overall, the experience was found to be excellent, cheap and on-label safe. It has been a net benefit, and the subject sees a continuation of the practice. If tolerance reduces effects, dose will not be raised but staggered, or simply maintained. The subject doesn't want a trace of the nasties that might start to crop up at 30mg.

The subject would recommend to anyone, including those that don't want a 'DXM trip', to use 15mg or maximum 30mg of DXM twenty minutes prior to cannabis ingestion. For the simple reason that if smoking cannabis, the material makes the process much less uncomforable, ie. it is soothing. Beyond that, many will not likely notice any other effect, but it is likely that many would find the warming, stimulating and clarifying effect of a DXM microdose to reduce some of the negative effects of cannabis.

The compromise of 'purity' for those not wanting any of the usual DXM trip effects is so miniscule that it is not a reasonable objection in the subject's opinion. And the subject is picky. There is a qualitative change in the high, but it is not in the obvious direct of a typical DXM experience. The extreme divergence of DXM's effects at different dosages has often been mentioned in the literature - this case is exemplar.

Some of the negative effects reduced significantly or eliminated:

1. body coldness in cold weather.
2. muscle tension
3. shivering
4. mental fogginess

All accompanied by a significant mental energy boost and increase in the sound effects and other effects typical of the cannabis high.

For those worried about trace psychosis, after careful but singular testing it appears the threat is so minimal as to be unnoticeable. Thus this technique is viable for all cannabis smokers that want neither the risks nor usual effects of a DXM trip, but do desire an easier smoke and cleaner, more powerful effect from their cannabis.

End of Report
 
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I've noticed this too when taking a recreational dose, I can smoke weed like nothing without any burning effects. Anyways fuck that though, I'd rather take a big dose of DXM with my weed :)
 
anyone care to drop a paragraph summary? half way through i canned out cause i felt it wasnt goin anywhre, sorrys i've ocd & add prob.

Marijuana is amazing, fuck dxm id rather find some real drugs if i wanted 2 use.
 
DXM is a real drug, and you've obviously haven't used it in a high enough dose. 300mg and some weed leaves me fucked, I'm doing 708mg tonight.
 
The subject returns to report that a second session was engaged the very next day.

The results continued to mimick the first day, including effective cough suppression.

Amazingly, that night the ultradreams came back! The subject can remember every second of both the cannabis experience and the following dreams that evening (dosing only a few hours before bedtime).

The dreams were the most profoundly vivid, functional that the subject has experienced in years. He is amazed beyond all previous experience. The visions, accuracy, and clarity of consciousness, as well as the joy of waking in absolute clarity after these super-dreams, has him salivating for tonight's next big adventure.

Noted in these dreams:

1. Highly saturated colors
2. Extremely detailed three dimensional environments
3. Absolutely real three-D objects
4. Interaction with internally consistent temporally real body position and true physics

The clarity, vivancy, and memory capability seems to be growing by the day, not decreasing. As stated in the original post, the drugs and their doses:

3000mg Piracetam
1/2-2/3 bowl cannabis bud
15mg DXM HBr
few cigs

Furthermore, the next day great motivation, superior clarity and none of the usual fuzziness, tiredness or slight amotivation usually present from previous day's cannabis.

It must be noted that ALL these effects are entirely absent without the 15mg DXM. There is a totally new application of DXM in correct microdose as a true nootropic and potent dream synthesizer.
 
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I agree that DXM is indeed psychoactive at doses lower than what most people acknowledge. The problem is you have to be familiar enough with the effects of DXM (by having experienced different plateaus of recreational dosages) in order to notice the very subtle effects felt at therapeutic doses.

30 mg of DXM is also a valuable asset to be seized before a serious blunt session.
 
After more days of the same, the subject notes that the experiences continue with no sign of tolerance :)

Also, not only does the 15mg DXM clarify and liquefy {liquifry} the cannabis experience, but it also leaves the subject with wonderful energy, way better emotional stability, and a nice feeling the next day. These awesomenesses have not decreased as of yet (5th trip last night).
 
Nope. Piracetam is part of the subject's daily life and has been for several years now. He can say how piracetam changed his cannabis high (before DXM): it made it stronger, longer, clearer and also increased the stimulant/anxiety/paranoia side slightly. In general Piracetam has been very excellent for daily use and with cannabis, but the DXM microdose has totally changed the entire picture.

Cannabis used to be fun for the subject, but over time changed from an even, relaxing mildy psychedelic trip into an overly tense come-up with excess visual & nervous system noise, muscle tension & paranoia, and a confused, tired comedown with lots of head-fog.

How DXM changed the picture is it prevented both the overstimulated/anxiety/paranoia of the cannabis/piracetam, while allowing the clarity and saturation of both to shine through without distortion.

Best of all it seems that adding DXM prevents the muscle tensions during acute phase and even during the remaining 24h until next dosing (piracetam is dosed throughout the day, with the others taken as one with the final piracetam dose just after dark).

It also eliminated the last bit of fogginess and all of the emotional/mental down which would happen next day. Piracetam helped with these but seemed to increase next-day emotional volatility.

It seems a mild price had to be payed though. The very highest, 'sharpest' peaks of intelligence in the acute phase of cannabis seems to have been 'worn down' so that the whole experience is instead of being 'noisy' is now like 'smooth coloured glass'. Not that the ineffable realizations, those notorious "pipe dreams" weren't present. Merely that they were not insistently present, but had to be sought for. A bit of a warning that at even 15mg DXM is a slight 'downer', but in a positive sense for the subject's brain at least.

It's like some giant DXM melter UFO hovered over a landscape of noisy sharp spiky trees and melted them with its deep-red ray into shorter glassy coloured semi-solid amorphous crystals. That is how the subject's brain is melted: not what he sees but how he feels it affecting the interior landscape of his mind.

Also visual noise is now suppressed during the acute phase (in darkness it cannot be seen anymore).

A mild change is on occasion noted in the subject's visual processing of 3D information. When looking at corners of rooms, they still meet at ninety degrees but when the subject moves horizontally keeping vision focussed on the corner, it is almost like the 3D of the corner is a trick.

Also seen in other objects, it is as if the object turns toward the viewer a bit as the viewer rotates around it. So I call this effect Fake3D, which increases using high DXM doses but is actually present on only 15mg (!). It must be looked for to be seen on this small dose though.

On tolerance: it seems that the subject's low 15mg DXM dose means it flies 'under the radar' of his body's tolerance-feedback system. In other words, its too low to need more, which is very good for his budget and general health :)

In summary: DXM microdose means a quietening of the jittery, paranoic, noisy, tense effects of the cannabis 'high end', and a prevention of the depressed, foggy, tired, unclear 'low end' effects, without too much compromising the desired 'main effects'.
 
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The subject must come clean about a truly phenomenal effect of microdose DXM as done in the first post. This amazing effect showed when he watched anime afterward (all dosing & anime watching in darkness).

This effect is a huge increase in the ability to process emotion and beauty in visual art and sound, which when coupled to the prevention of memory inhibition afforded by DXM, allowed the time-revealed grandness of the exposition to become apparent all at once.

Granted, the anime was a beautifully well-done piece in itself, but the clarity and profoundness of its opening had the subject whispering 'WOW' 'WOW' 'WOW' under his breath for fear of giving away the secret of this universe to his unknowing neighbors.
 
I think your experience must be unique to yourself or due to the addition of piracetam, because i have had low doses of dxm in conjunction with cannabis on many occasions.

I did yesterday, as iam sick and have a cough. I took 20mg of dxm and smoked cannabis through out the night, cant say i noticed anything near what you describe. If anything just made me sleepier than usual. I could see large doses in the range of 100mg plus having an impact, but not at such low doses.

Also there's no need to talk in 3rd person, we all know who you are referring to and quite frankly it just makes it a pain to read. haha sorry, but its true.
 
^In full agreement with.

I dont see how 15 mg of DXM will cause adverse side effects. That is the dosage prescribed on the bottle. I could see it for the beneficial uses of stopping the "coughs", but any psychoactive effects seems sketchy to me.

Part of me wants to believe its just a placebo effect.
 
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Ymmv. As for third person perspective, didn't want to re-write each post twice for posting on another forum, whose rules don't allow self-incrimination. Already lost a point over there for insufficient self-obfuscation.

Each day after the evening's wonderful experience has been like floating on air, without the head-cloud of cannabis only. I'm now so inspired to write, it seems to increase the verbage... plus those crazy dreams keep on coming every night :)
 
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Can Piracetam really be beneficial on the spot like that? Is that not a supplement only being suspected of having positive effects over time?
 
Well I am glad it works for you but there is no way that 15mg of dxm would do that to me... I mean, what, thats like, one dayquill pill? I've taken 4-5 at once just to get rid of a cough and eaten a brownie after, and it seemed no different than my normal edible experiences.
 
Cocorosie: I've been taking piracetam for years, heavy doses too! Like about 3 x 4000mg per day :)

So I tested 30mg 45min-1h before the bowl of bud. It is absolutely amazing.

The difference is like the olde tube-amp, clipping of higher thoughts is more noticeable than at 15mg but not much more so.

The cannabis-high is lengthened by twice and clarified enormously. Physical co-ordination is way better and it is also easier on 30mg than without to do difficult physical things in hard environments.

Best effect though is later - about several hours after the bud-bowl. This is in the evening after dark btw. This wonderful effect is like floating on air. Being a cloud. Drifting, but without the dumbness, toxicity, liver burden of alcohol, or side-effects, cost, addiction of opiates!

Yes, for the admission price of two measly teaspoons or 30mg total, the bud becomes at first much clearer and much longer & stronger, then slowly transforms (after 1.5-2 hours) into the most clearheaded floatiness imagineable.

Even better, there are no other typical DXM effects at 30mg, and no hangover, headache or any other nasties the next day :) This includes all the other typical DXM nasties such as:

* psychosis
* difficulty urinating
* excessive body temperature (slight increase in temp is noted)
* next-day depression
* next-day brain-fog & other similars

Actually, the next day is pure relaxation with total intellectual functionality and much easier-going more relaxed personality. It is like DXM has totally different personalities. A Multiple Personality Drug, based on dose.

Finally, as for tolerance, it seems to be reversed - as in 'reverse tolerance'. The good effects (as of the third 30mg experience) are getting better and better.

Dreams are also super-vivid as with 15mg. Last nite it was a hard drive with all these weird-sized platters which I saw on taking it apart. In dreaming on this super-combo everything is super clear. Physical touch can be felt, in ways that have so far been too embarrasing to describe in detail here.... :)

So it seems that I'll stick with 30mg, since it's super cheap and I can have my chocolate cheezecake plus eat it too :)

PS. DXM works much better to stop coughing at 30mg than at 15mg. Cannabis-dosing is much easier, as in quite pleasureable whereas before it was becoming an unpleasantry.

Also, music in the dark is quite amazing. It doesn't lose its amazingness so much but more-challenging sound like Merzbow helps to offset the quieter more relaxed mentality.
 
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I had 60 mg dxm "night time" after 30 hours no sleep and i smoked a joint and a half- psychosis
 
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