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Hey there,
I know they are a few threads about IV'ing MDMA, but because of tolerance (or because i simply like to dose high?), I have no idea what the appropriate dosage would be for me.

I normally take between 250 and 300mg orally, and later redose the same amount once. I am doing MDMA once a month (a lot, i know)

What I have read about dosages for IV'ing is between 80mg and 100mg - is that right?

Will that be enough, or will I be disapointed because of the dosage I normally take? If not, how much?


Thank you!
 
I think you'll be disappointed regardless the dosage if your used to ingesting orally. MDMA doesn't get better with higher/stronger dosing. If anything IMO it takes away from the experience as I remember less and end up floored with high dosing. If your looking for a super intense feeling of euphoria or just have a drug problem...I'd look to IV a different class of drug. Don't waste E in your arm
 
Mazzab said:
If your looking for a super intense feeling of euphoria or just have a drug problem...I'd look to IV a different class of drug. Don't waste E in your arm
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While this is a different problem, I already did most of the readily available drugs

Meth, Coke/Crack, Heroin/oxy/morphine...

Problem?
MDxx drugs are the only ones that seems to affect me

I can take the same amount of whatever drug from the same powder that a friend is taking, while I don't feel anything, he sits with a big smile on his face. And that's for every damn drug I tried (i tried many).

So it seems like I am stuck with MDxx, I try at least to increase the potency by injecting the said drug

Thx
 
I would not shot mdma as that will ruin your insides! I would plug it if I was you mate.
 
IV MDMA is reckless and most would agree that it isn't really worth all of the work and the risk. I highly advise against IVing it. You're looking at a greatly shortened high from what you would get with oral dosing for just a bit more added intensity with a lot more risk.

I second the plugging suggestion. Its the best way to do MDMA.

Don't forget that most MDMA out there isn't actually MDMA. I don't know about you but I wouldn't want to shoot caffeine or some random cathinone into my veins...
 
Start small. Less is more with IV doses. Start with 50mg and see how you react. Go up to 80mg if the rush isn't good enough.

I wouldn't go higher than 150mg IV even if you have a high tolerance. It's pretty intense.

I don't understand some of the responses here. This is a drug forum. Why the lecturing? He's an adult and he wants to inject a drug. On any other forum these responses might be appropriate, but this is a drug forum so I think people here could do with leaving their high and mighty attitudes at the door.

IVing has its risks, but god, who doesn't know that. The dude obviously wasn't interested in opinions on IVing, he wanted an accurate dosage that won't kill him and will get him high.
 
jess046 said:
Start small. Less is more with IV doses. Start with 50mg and see how you react. Go up to 80mg if the rush isn't good enough.

I wouldn't go higher than 150mg IV even if you have a high tolerance. It's pretty intense.

I don't understand some of the responses here. This is a drug forum. Why the lecturing? He's an adult and he wants to inject a drug. On any other forum these responses might be appropriate, but this is a drug forum so I think people here could do with leaving their high and mighty attitudes at the door.

IVing has its risks, but god, who doesn't know that. The dude obviously wasn't interested in opinions on IVing, he wanted an accurate dosage that won't kill him and will get him high.
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No. He def did ask for an opinion
 
Well I don't want to get into a petty back and fourth argument here, but I believe he asked for an opinion on dosage not on the safety of IVing MDMA.
 
Even 50mg IV is likely to be a bit much... IMO start with 30mg, if you MUST do it at all. As you can see, the general consensus here seems to be that it's not a good idea.
 
Well I don't want to get into a petty back and fourth argument here, but I believe he asked for an opinion on dosage not on the safety of IVing MDMA.
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Considering this is a harm reduction forum, the OP doesn't have to ask about the safety, its going to be brought up and it should be expected to be brought up. This forum doesn't exist to tell people how to get the most fucked up they can, it exists to tell people about responsible drug use and to educate people on drugs and drug safety. In no sense of the word, is IVing ANY substance safe and that's going to be reiterated to anyone who asks about it.
 
Well, I just assumed the best way to implement harm reduction for somebody who is probably going to IV whether or not some random person on some forum reiterates a redundant anti-IV slogan, would be to give the guy an accurate starter dose and try to emphasise that he should not dose high to begin just because he has an oral tolerance because the effects are very unpredictable.

I mean for goodness sake this is a drug forum about drugs. Harm reduction is about teaching people how to do drugs safely, what doses to use, ect.

IVing can be safe if you know what you're doing and you're sensible, but unfortunately most people don't have a clue about how to do it safely. Nurses give people injected solutions all the time. In saying that, I myself don't IV anymore because I find the entire process to take too long and then when you're high it's amazing, but it doesn't last very long and you end up having to do many shots. But I'm just lazy and don't usually take my drugs in a stay at home and chill scenario, plus I'm not brave enough to give my own injections, which complicates the whole thing even more. But some people like that and that's cool for them, and IVing is the best way to achieve that mind-blowing rush that throttles your entire being, but it doesn't leave much room for dancing at a club or socialising, which is what oral doses are good for.

Maybe some advice on how to IV safely would be more appropriate rather than just telling him 'don't do it man'. I'm sure there are some guides on the forums somewhere. I assume he knows what he's doing based on what he's written, however, and a guide would probably be unnecessary.
 
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Assuming you have good mdma it isn't that risky if you're used to iv'ing and use clean gear

I banged 60mg of mdma and 60mg of mda in the same shot and it was almost too intense, not too mention a bump of k lol
That was just a one time thing though, Santana live never sounded so good

I agree just dropping or plugging will be good for a long lasting euphoric roll, you can experiment but just don't make it a habit
 
jess046 said:
Well, I just assumed the best way to implement harm reduction for somebody who is probably going to IV whether or not some random person on some forum reiterates a redundant anti-IV slogan, would be to give the guy an accurate starter dose and try to emphasise that he should not dose high to begin just because he has an oral tolerance because the effects are very unpredictable.

I mean for goodness sake this is a drug forum about drugs. Harm reduction is about teaching people how to do drugs safely, what doses to use, ect.

IVing can be safe if you know what you're doing and you're sensible, but unfortunately most people don't have a clue about how to do it safely. Nurses give people injected solutions all the time. In saying that, I myself don't IV anymore because I find the entire process to take too long and then when you're high it's amazing, but it doesn't last very long and you end up having to do many shots. But I'm just lazy and don't usually take my drugs in a stay at home and chill scenario, plus I'm not brave enough to give my own injections, which complicates the whole thing even more. But some people like that and that's cool for them, and IVing is the best way to achieve that mind-blowing rush that throttles your entire being, but it doesn't leave much room for dancing at a club or socialising, which is what oral doses are good for.

Maybe some advice on how to IV safely would be more appropriate rather than just telling him 'don't do it man'. I'm sure there are some guides on the forums somewhere. I assume he knows what he's doing based on what he's written, however, and a guide would probably be unnecessary.
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This is the stance that Other Drugs takes on IVing drugs and it is the same here in MED.

the official policy of Other Drugs is that posts should not advocate IV drug use to anyone not already asking about it. There is harm inherent in the act of administering all varieties of drugs not meant for injection. We simply cannot allow it.

Example given:

How many dilaudid is it safe to take if I am used to 20-30mg oxycodone.
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Infraction-worthy response:

eating dilaudid is a waste. You gotta iv that shit man.
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We are all about harm reduction, and it is totally different if someone wants to know how to safely use their drugs via the IV ROA. It is our mission at Other Drugs to provide this information, while simultaneously advocating for alternatives to IV drug use, such as rectal administration, insuffilation, etc...
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http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...RE-POSTING?p=10436376&viewfull=1#post10436376

This is a harm reduction forum first and foremost. There are risks involved with IVing any drug. In the case of MDMA, the risk to benefit ratio doesn't even come close to being worth it.

Us not giving a dosage is probably because a number of us listened to others who said don't stick needles in your veins... If I had IV'd, then I would have shared dosage information with my general safety response.
 
Fair enough if that is actually the forum rules, but I have my own views on what constitutes real harm reduction in the context of a drug forum and don't believe in applying double standards to certain drugs or drug administration methods if the person knows what they are doing. It's all subjective and you can't really say the benefit ratio is worthless because for some people it isn't. If that's the experience you're looking for, and it is a completely different experience, then IVing is the only way you will get it. It's a risky experience with an exceptional outcome if done right, but for me the risks/time it takes to get there is not really worth it so I agree with you in the regard, but don't feel the need to force my opinion on others who find the experience well worth the trouble. I'd rather make sure they just do it safely rather than try and change their opinion. Advocating other methods is fine, but I'd just prefer if people gave their posts more substance rather than meaningless anti-IV slogans. These 'don't do it man' posts rub me the wrong way because they come off judgemental, close-minded and ignorant most of the time.

To get the IV 'rush' with MDMA without IVing you'd have to snort a shit-load all at once, that's the only comparison I could see, although this is hardly safe either and probably less safe than IVing it. I accidentally snorted 250mg once (my friend gave me a dose he presumed was 'normal'. Yeah, he's a bit of a druggo). And that was actually pretty similar except less calming and peaceful, as with IVing. Iving gives you that opiate-like fuzzy wave of euphoria, snorting it was similarly overwhelming but more scary to be honest. But it did have that 'bang', I'm high as balls, effect.

I guess you could plug it to, I've never tried that but my friend used to plug heroin all the time because he hated needles.

Anyway, let's not argue anymore MagicalKat, I don't like arguing with you as you are actually one of the main people on Bluelight who writes some pretty helpful/thoughtful posts.
 
Harm reduction dictates do not IV (mind you IV could be seen to be a safer option than IM depending on drug) - Harm reduction also dictates Don't do drugs... if your going to anyway and your going to IV, start small and work your way up ! If you can find MDMA and your dosing in the 250 / 300mgs range as stated and your safe with injection then - go for 20mgs as a starter shot. If that didn't get you where you wanted to be then try few more mg's next time until you hit your sweet spot.

Speed of onset is going to be quicker - duration of high - shorter 'your' enjoyment of the experience is upto you :)
 
Go Jess046. I loved reading your posts, and your views. You held up your end very well...and I literally lol'd when I read "but it did have that bang, I'm high as balls effect"...=D

I always feel a certain level of anxiety when I post in certain forums here. You got your views across w style, and without being mean about it. High five.%)
 
Cheers, Stargazer.

I tend to go on bluelight when I'm hungover so I end up being in a kind of grumpy mood when I'm posting, which I guess is why I sometimes fall into arguments..oh well, someone's got to play devil's advocate.
 
Consider that oral bioavailability is normally about 30% for most drugs, and IV is almost 100%. Lets just stick with one dose of 250mg now, so that's about 75mg actually going into you, and that's over time not just in one go. I'd say the 30-50mg recommendations are probably about right.
The redosing is the issue though, if you're actually hitting 600mg quality MD a night then I have a feeling IV won't be a great idea because despite the awesome rush, it'll be short lasting - I think I've read most IV MDMA experiences last for 2 hours before requiring a redose or coming down.

Completely up to you bud, if it were me I'd want to do it at least once just for curiosities sake. Stay safe :)
 
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