I started taking MDMA in psychedelic therapy at a very young ago, so I have lots of experience with MDMA, LSD, and other psychedelics. I've taken MDMA in private, out in nature, and at raves.
When I got to be a young adult, I had LOTS of experiences with MDMA and psychedelics, but not much experience in terms of sexual relationships. It was sort of a strange dichotomy: Lots of drug experience, but not much sexual experience. I'm a pretty girl, so guys would hit on me all the time. I just was very choosy about whom I wanted to be intimate with.
A couple of times at raves, I would meet a guy who would be fairly intelligent and who claimed to share my passion for entheogenic experience. Maybe he'd read some of the same books as me, or maybe he was just pretending to be interested in transpersonal psychology. In a couple of cases, I now realize that the guy was just pretending to have a keen interest in psychedelics as a way to try to get me into bed.
On two occasions, I rather naively took MDMA with a guy I'd met at a rave. In my psychedelic therapy sessions (including group sessions) all of the guys were always very respectful. They liked me, but they never did anything sleazy. I naively assumed that ALL guys who took MDMA would be respectful! (I was very young...what can I say?)
On the first occasion, I took MDMA with a guy I'd met at a rave. We did X together and had a pretty good time. When the rave let out, I said I'd take a cab home. He said it was no problem to drive me home, and he even had a female roommate with him. I agreed, because who wants to stand out alone late at night in the cold trying to hail a cab in the warehouse district?
As the car was on the freeway, I told him, "You missed my exit. You're going the wrong way". Of course, this was NO "mistake" on his part! I felt so duped. When we got to his house (with the female roommate), they both got out of the car and went into the house. Even though it was freezing cold, I stayed out in the garage, because all I wanted to do was to go HOME! I didn't appreciate being tricked like that. Finally, the guy coaxed me into coming into the house. It was so cold that I finally just went into the house.
The guy and I talked for a bit, but I would not even so much as take off the jacket that I was wearing! I wouldn't even take off my purse. I did NOT want to send any "wrong signals". Unfortunately, this guy assumed that any girl who takes Ecstasy is automatically going to be promiscuous. I told him he had it all wrong about me. He continued by telling me all about his sexual "swinger" parties, which only served to turn me off even more. One night with him would probably get me an STD or something. I FINALLY convinced him to just drive me HOME.
The second occasion was even WORSE. A guy at a club came up to me, asking me to go into the ladies' room to check on his girlfriend. He told me his girlfriend may have had "too much to drink". I tried to be a helpful person, and I went into the ladies' room to find an attractive girl who was pretty out-of-it. She told me she was on GREAT Ecstasy and seemed really nice. We both spoke German, so that was kind of a random thing that brought us together. When I emerged from the restroom with the girlfriend, the guy bought me a drink to thank me. Once we got to talking, he also offered me an Ecstasy pill, which I took.
I'd tripped with all kinds of different people before, including couples. It was never a sexual thing. But this couple (or should I say the GUY) wanted a "ménage a trois". When I told the guy I loved palm trees, he told me he had an extensive collection of rare palms in his backyard. This was true, and it was the lure that got me to go back to their house. As soon as we were finished looking at the palm trees, the guy ran a bubble bath and asked me and the girl to get into it. (I'd done nude hot-tubbing before, so again, I didn't really think of it as a sexual thing). I was getting an awful CONTROLLING vibe from the guy, which led me to believe that he was LYING when he said that he too was on MDMA. Impossible, I think. It was very pure and strong MDMA, and the girl and I just wanted to chill out in the hot tub.
The guy was pretty pathetic. At one point, he barged into the bathroom with a camera, and started snapping photos of me and the girl nude in the tub. This really freaked me out! I did NOT consent to any "photos". Then he led me and the girl into the large bedroom. I sat over by the fireplace, not wanting to get involved in any sex that they might have. The guy put PORNO on the TV, like that was supposed to get me in the mood! This guy had lots of money, but he was also a very sleazy character. He wrote a note to his maid, boasting: "I'm in bed with two beautiful blondes". Not even true, because I never went to "bed" with him. He tried to do all kinds of things, but I kept saying NO. Finally, his chilled-out girlfriend spoke up for me, saying, "She just doesn't want to". I appreciated her support. This guy was unrelenting in trying to force a ménage a trois situation. The girl obviously wasn't into it and just wanted to relax. It was all pretty pathetic.
After I got home safe from that weird incident, I called up a few of my older and wiser veteran psychedelic friends and told them what had happened. My friends agreed that the guy could NOT have been on MDMA and been that controlling.
My veteran friend also told me that to the "outside world" Ecstasy is sometimes viewed as an aphrodisiac. I know it can be under the right circumstances, but NOT under the wrong circumstances. In other words, if I was really in love with a guy, yes, MDMA could make sex even more intense. But MDMA is NOT some sort of magical "love drug" that will turn any girl who takes it into an amorous love machine! (I think that the sleazy guy believed that MDMA would automatically make me say "yes" to whatever he wanted. WRONG!). The "swinger" guy was pretty sleazy, too, and he seemed to attribute the same magical amorous qualities to MDMA. I wonder how many guys have been disappointed to learn that MDMA is NOT a magical "love drug"?
I just thought I'd post my experience with MDMA and people with not-so-pure motives. Girls need to be very careful. I was probably very naïve to take MDMA with a stranger, I know. And then I got tricked into going back to his house. I know I could have been raped, and I thank God that did NOT happen. But of course, a lot of young women get drunk and end up going home with a guy by accident, too. At least on MDMA I was in control of my faculties.
Do most here agree that MDMA CAN be a sexual drug, but usually only if both parties WANT to have sex? MDMA really isn't going to make a girl do something she doesn't want to, I wouldn't think. It certainly didn't make me do anything I didn't want to. I once talked with a male friend who had taken MDMA hundreds of times, and he was only just beginning to think of MDMA as a "sexual drug" with his current girlfriend. I also had a boyfriend who couldn't "perform" on MDMA, if you know what I mean. So sexual reaction to MDMA for both men and women must vary quite a bit from person to person. Just wanted to ask for any opinions. Thanks.
When I got to be a young adult, I had LOTS of experiences with MDMA and psychedelics, but not much experience in terms of sexual relationships. It was sort of a strange dichotomy: Lots of drug experience, but not much sexual experience. I'm a pretty girl, so guys would hit on me all the time. I just was very choosy about whom I wanted to be intimate with.
A couple of times at raves, I would meet a guy who would be fairly intelligent and who claimed to share my passion for entheogenic experience. Maybe he'd read some of the same books as me, or maybe he was just pretending to be interested in transpersonal psychology. In a couple of cases, I now realize that the guy was just pretending to have a keen interest in psychedelics as a way to try to get me into bed.
On two occasions, I rather naively took MDMA with a guy I'd met at a rave. In my psychedelic therapy sessions (including group sessions) all of the guys were always very respectful. They liked me, but they never did anything sleazy. I naively assumed that ALL guys who took MDMA would be respectful! (I was very young...what can I say?)
On the first occasion, I took MDMA with a guy I'd met at a rave. We did X together and had a pretty good time. When the rave let out, I said I'd take a cab home. He said it was no problem to drive me home, and he even had a female roommate with him. I agreed, because who wants to stand out alone late at night in the cold trying to hail a cab in the warehouse district?
As the car was on the freeway, I told him, "You missed my exit. You're going the wrong way". Of course, this was NO "mistake" on his part! I felt so duped. When we got to his house (with the female roommate), they both got out of the car and went into the house. Even though it was freezing cold, I stayed out in the garage, because all I wanted to do was to go HOME! I didn't appreciate being tricked like that. Finally, the guy coaxed me into coming into the house. It was so cold that I finally just went into the house.
The guy and I talked for a bit, but I would not even so much as take off the jacket that I was wearing! I wouldn't even take off my purse. I did NOT want to send any "wrong signals". Unfortunately, this guy assumed that any girl who takes Ecstasy is automatically going to be promiscuous. I told him he had it all wrong about me. He continued by telling me all about his sexual "swinger" parties, which only served to turn me off even more. One night with him would probably get me an STD or something. I FINALLY convinced him to just drive me HOME.
The second occasion was even WORSE. A guy at a club came up to me, asking me to go into the ladies' room to check on his girlfriend. He told me his girlfriend may have had "too much to drink". I tried to be a helpful person, and I went into the ladies' room to find an attractive girl who was pretty out-of-it. She told me she was on GREAT Ecstasy and seemed really nice. We both spoke German, so that was kind of a random thing that brought us together. When I emerged from the restroom with the girlfriend, the guy bought me a drink to thank me. Once we got to talking, he also offered me an Ecstasy pill, which I took.
I'd tripped with all kinds of different people before, including couples. It was never a sexual thing. But this couple (or should I say the GUY) wanted a "ménage a trois". When I told the guy I loved palm trees, he told me he had an extensive collection of rare palms in his backyard. This was true, and it was the lure that got me to go back to their house. As soon as we were finished looking at the palm trees, the guy ran a bubble bath and asked me and the girl to get into it. (I'd done nude hot-tubbing before, so again, I didn't really think of it as a sexual thing). I was getting an awful CONTROLLING vibe from the guy, which led me to believe that he was LYING when he said that he too was on MDMA. Impossible, I think. It was very pure and strong MDMA, and the girl and I just wanted to chill out in the hot tub.
The guy was pretty pathetic. At one point, he barged into the bathroom with a camera, and started snapping photos of me and the girl nude in the tub. This really freaked me out! I did NOT consent to any "photos". Then he led me and the girl into the large bedroom. I sat over by the fireplace, not wanting to get involved in any sex that they might have. The guy put PORNO on the TV, like that was supposed to get me in the mood! This guy had lots of money, but he was also a very sleazy character. He wrote a note to his maid, boasting: "I'm in bed with two beautiful blondes". Not even true, because I never went to "bed" with him. He tried to do all kinds of things, but I kept saying NO. Finally, his chilled-out girlfriend spoke up for me, saying, "She just doesn't want to". I appreciated her support. This guy was unrelenting in trying to force a ménage a trois situation. The girl obviously wasn't into it and just wanted to relax. It was all pretty pathetic.
After I got home safe from that weird incident, I called up a few of my older and wiser veteran psychedelic friends and told them what had happened. My friends agreed that the guy could NOT have been on MDMA and been that controlling.
My veteran friend also told me that to the "outside world" Ecstasy is sometimes viewed as an aphrodisiac. I know it can be under the right circumstances, but NOT under the wrong circumstances. In other words, if I was really in love with a guy, yes, MDMA could make sex even more intense. But MDMA is NOT some sort of magical "love drug" that will turn any girl who takes it into an amorous love machine! (I think that the sleazy guy believed that MDMA would automatically make me say "yes" to whatever he wanted. WRONG!). The "swinger" guy was pretty sleazy, too, and he seemed to attribute the same magical amorous qualities to MDMA. I wonder how many guys have been disappointed to learn that MDMA is NOT a magical "love drug"?
I just thought I'd post my experience with MDMA and people with not-so-pure motives. Girls need to be very careful. I was probably very naïve to take MDMA with a stranger, I know. And then I got tricked into going back to his house. I know I could have been raped, and I thank God that did NOT happen. But of course, a lot of young women get drunk and end up going home with a guy by accident, too. At least on MDMA I was in control of my faculties.
Do most here agree that MDMA CAN be a sexual drug, but usually only if both parties WANT to have sex? MDMA really isn't going to make a girl do something she doesn't want to, I wouldn't think. It certainly didn't make me do anything I didn't want to. I once talked with a male friend who had taken MDMA hundreds of times, and he was only just beginning to think of MDMA as a "sexual drug" with his current girlfriend. I also had a boyfriend who couldn't "perform" on MDMA, if you know what I mean. So sexual reaction to MDMA for both men and women must vary quite a bit from person to person. Just wanted to ask for any opinions. Thanks.
