MBDB (aka METHYL-J in pihkal) was widely available on the internet in 2003-2004. this is MDMA with an alpha-ethyl instead of alpha-methyl. BDB (aka J in pihkal) is the same, except comparable to MDA (the non-N-meth version). BDB was widely available on the internet in the 2003-2004, possibly up to 2007 range. it's hard to say because i know when experiments were done but not sure when it was bought. for some really, really stupid reason it's impossible to find now, even though i enjoyed the MBDB 14 times and the BDB 10, so they were definitely good. more of a stoned feeling than E for sure. like you feel "fucked up" vs just altered. i loved the stuff, and wonder why the hell it isn't around anymore!