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Legalized Psychedelic Therapy?

Iliketoswim

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Do you think this could happen in the future? Psychedelics have helped A LOT of people, including me, with our struggles. I've been through a lot of therapy in my lifetime and all of those hours can't even compare to the impact LSD and SHROOMS have had on me. In a strictly positive way, I might add. I think I'm done with psychedelics, all drugs for the most part, except for the occasional six pack at parties or something. But does anybody think that it could be possible if in the future centers could be opened up where professionals could assist clients with therapeutic issues through psychs? Like we saw with marijuana, professionals pursued its medical benefits. I just don't think psychs should be legal. Some dumbass kid is gonna take it for "kicks" and underestimate their power and kill himself.
 
Some dumbass kid is gonna take it for "kicks" and underestimate their power and kill himself.

What stops them from doing that now?
It is absolutely going to happen, psychedelics are becoming much more recognized in their ability to treat depression and PTSD among other mental disorders.
 
I think only when they can really control the process, otherwise responsibility will eat them before they start. It's like open center to train courage by having attendees play russian roulette. You pull the trigger, nothing happens, you are a new man with near-death experience (which is great experience ofc). But 1/6 of students would spoil the whole positive outcome for majority. Sorry for this stupid example, it's obvious without it what is "wrong" about psychedelics.
 
IN A CONTROLLED CLINICAL SETTING i believe Psilocybin and LSD should be used medicinally to patients who aren't too whacked out.
I have definitely learned stuff about myself from acid.
Just because you cry while tripping on acid doesnt mean you had a bad trip, it can mean you dove deep within your inner thoughts and worked stuff out in a way you couldn't have without the influence of the psychedelic drug.
In my state, Ketamine therapy is legal but that is done under sedation and is more of chemistry rather than psychotherapy.
 
There's a center already open in the Netherlands who run sessions with mushrooms.
 
It would help aloooooot of people, absolutely horrible that it isn't legalized for that purpose yet
 
Don't expect it to happen anytime soon, if at all in most countries.

I think all drugs should be legal, or decriminalized; but you would have people who are mentally ill try to self medicate with psychedelics and wind up worse, and you would have people that would drive on them.
 
A quick Google search on "psychedelic therapy" brings up a ton of results. It was originally legal and LSD was a major player and seen as a wonder drug in therapy before it was hastily banned after it exploded in popularity outside of the therapy scene.

MDMA and Psilocybin (one of the two major active components of Psilocybin mushrooms, the other being Psilocin, for which Psilocybin is a pro-drug) are both being studied currently for their use in therapy, with extremely promising results. MDMA in particular has been used in PTSD studies, and seems to be allowing people who previously couldn't talk about the major traumas they suffered to open up and relate to their therapists, getting things off their chest they had buried deep for many years, finally allowing them to heal. Psilocybin has shown promise in treating depression and anxiety too.

The results are quite astounding honestly even to someone like me who first-hand experienced what psychedelic therapy can do when I was able to get past my fear of people and socialising through a single alpha-Methyltryptamine therapy session (even with someone who'd never previously ingested a single psychedelic drug being my guide!). They're being picked up by the media and psychedelics and empathogens are finally being given some of the credit they deserve.

To me a cure is not a substance that you must take day by day for weeks, months, or years to become "stabilised" - a cure is something one takes once, that rids them of their ailment, and this is something that in many cases psychedelics have the potential of doing - with psychological disorders previously treated only with the likes of things like SSRIs, drugs that are addictive, have many side effects, and are prescribed for daily use.

While I think there has been some untoward negative light shone on psychedelics over the years since the times the first of them were banned, I think that people can see the clear evidence in their past history in psychotherapy, and that this isn't even a case like Cannabis where even many of the medical advocates were just looking for a legal loophole for legal personal use - it's a case where genuine powerful medicines have been put under lock and key for a long time and scientists have realised that may have been a tad rash, and so they're moving forward and taking a fresh look at them, and re-affirming they have their use. :)

So yes, I see it happening over the next few years.

While it's a dissociative rather than a typical psychedelic, Ketamine is already used legally to treat depression on a small scale, and MDMA and Psilocybin are being used in therapy as we speak in pre-emptive studies. Things will progress from there.

MDMA and Psilocybin are more than enough to cover most anything any other psychedelic or empathogen could treat, so I'll be happy just to see those two hit therapy by storm and remove some of the stigma surrounding them, and maybe help even some of those people that once thought they were right to be placed in the same drug legal schedules as the likes of Heroin. Be patient and science will do what it does and get things going.

I hope AMT is looked at too, though I feel its soviet origin and being less commonly used may make it a less likely choice, its pharmacology combining the effects and treatment potential of both MDMA and psychedelics (...with a little personal bias from my own experience thrown in ;)) makes it a candidate that could fit both shoes.
 
I remember recently reading an article about such a therapy being used on a 65 year old lady, who is terminally ill with cancer. The substance used is shrooms. It definitely helped her make peace with herself.
 
I hope so.

The majority of drugs should be legal.
Cannabis, Psychedelics, Opiates, Benzos, Barbiturates, etc.
 
I hope so.

The majority of drugs should be legal.
Cannabis, Psychedelics, Opiates, Benzos, Barbiturates, etc.

You say the majority, which ones wouldn't be? Stimulants? Also, why barbiturates? (Not being condescending, genuinely interested).

Imo all drugs should be legal, because criminalising them simply doesn't work under any circumstances ever.
 
You say the majority, which ones wouldn't be? Stimulants? Also, why barbiturates? (Not being condescending, genuinely interested).

Imo all drugs should be legal, because criminalising them simply doesn't work under any circumstances ever.

Yes stimulants too.

The reason I say most, and not all is because there are plenty of random chems that I don't think should necessarily be legal (but decriminalized for sure-- just not like in stores, legal for general sale, that kind of thing) until they can be researched as to the effects.

Probably wouldn't be good to be able to walk into a store a buy some drug that is going to make everyone's liver fail after 5 months of daily use. Or at least not until we know that it does that and warnings can be issued.

Obviously something like the FDA would ideally have to approve a substance for safety.

And barbiturates work better for headaches than any other drug-- but it's also not easy to get a prescription for them. Plus they're just great.

But as far as pretty much any drug that's been around for more than a few years and won't instantly kill you-- yeah legalize.
 
It's quite apparent that more and more people wake up and their way of thinking is no longer limited by religions, customs, or laws. Introspection is actually a recognised way of treatment in psychotherapy, there are a lot of problems experienced by many people that can be fixed by getting to know yourself, so it's natural that psychedelics may be of great use here. Just like one can have a bad trip on psychedelics, one can also get frightened while meditating without any psychoactive compounds and seeing one's dark side, so the risk of a bad trip is absolutely no excuse to keep psychedelics illegal. Drugs can't be guilty of anything.
 
What stops them from doing that now?

Very good point. It seems likely that usage of drugs will remain the same, whether they are legal or not. What will change though could be the way in which they are used, and the purity of the product. Much of the harm that arises from drug use can be linked to their illegal status.

I think only when they can really control the process, otherwise responsibility will eat them before they start. It's like open center to train courage by having attendees play russian roulette. You pull the trigger, nothing happens, you are a new man with near-death experience (which is great experience ofc). But 1/6 of students would spoil the whole positive outcome for majority. Sorry for this stupid example, it's obvious without it what is "wrong" about psychedelics.

I think I understand what you are saying. I, too, am a bit sceptical about psychedelics being fully embraced by medicine, purely due to the unpredictable nature of their effects. Its very difficult to duplicate positive studies and, as we all know, you cannot rely on the same dose of the same psychedelic doing the same thing to many different people.

Seems to me that safe, recreational use of drugs is enough of an argument for their legalisation; trying to find mainstream uses for these things just might be missing the point. What's wrong with pleasure anyhow? :)
 
It's quite apparent that more and more people wake up and their way of thinking is no longer limited by religions, customs, or laws. Introspection is actually a recognised way of treatment in psychotherapy, there are a lot of problems experienced by many people that can be fixed by getting to know yourself, so it's natural that psychedelics may be of great use here. Just like one can have a bad trip on psychedelics, one can also get frightened while meditating without any psychoactive compounds and seeing one's dark side, so the risk of a bad trip is absolutely no excuse to keep psychedelics illegal. Drugs can't be guilty of anything.

Indeed, and while I've had some terrifying experiences on psychedelics, some of the most terrifying were actually some of the most valuable lessons - the reason "bad trips" or "difficult trips" are a common occurrence on psychedelics is because they make it a lot harder for you to hide from your problems. Unlike say opiates or barbiturates that give you a warm comfy blanket to forget all your problems in, psychedelics kick you in the ass and say "Look, you're not ignoring this any longer, you have to do something" and make you face up to them. I would never have admitted I had anxiety issues or that I had opiate addiction issues if it wasn't for psychedelics forcing me to come to terms with those things, it wasn't pleasant facing up to either of those things - but every step of progress requires a bit of sweat and effort.
 
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