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Legalising v decriminalising drugs A half-smoked joint

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Legalising v decriminalising drugs A half-smoked joint
Jun 28th 2014

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Decriminalising drugs leaves the crooks with the cash. Legalise drugs instead

“I’M GONNA smoke’a de ganja until I go blind,” sang Bob Marley. “You know I smoke’a de ganja all a de time.” Jamaicans who share his devotion to cannabis have long risked arrest. But this month the government said it intended to decriminalise possession of small amounts of the drug. Several countries in Europe and Latin America have already taken this step. On the day that Jamaica announced its plans, a report commissioned by the Kofi Annan Foundation argued that minor drug offences should be decriminalised in West Africa to reduce violence and corruption.

After decades of failure it is hardly surprising that people are seeking alternatives to the ruinously expensive, bloody “war on drugs”. Prohibiting narcotics has failed to prevent an increase in their use, mainly in the rich world but increasingly in emerging markets (Brazil is now the world’s biggest customer of crack cocaine). At the same time it has enriched the criminal mafias which spread corruption and murder from London’s East End to Tijuana’s barrios, and which threaten to make failed states of countries in Africa and Latin America. Even Britain’s official advisory panel on drugs opposed the government’s move this week to criminalise khat, a mild and little-known stimulant whose users may now turn to more harmful alternatives (see article).

So reform is needed, but is decriminalisation the right approach? Jamaica has proposed that people caught with up to two ounces (57 grams) of cannabis should be fined but not arrested or taken to court. Similarly, drug users in Portugal can be forced to attend classes to get them back on the straight and narrow. Italy confiscates pot-smokers’ driving licences. These lenient penalties save thousands of young people from being branded with criminal records, and spare taxpayers the expense of arresting, trying and jailing them. Jamaica’s police, battling one of the world’s highest murder rates, have better things to do than fill the country’s jails with people whose crime is to have consumed something less potent than their island’s rum. It is madder still that Sierra Leone or Guinea should devote their meagre resources to stopping adults getting high.

But decriminalisation is only half the answer. As long as supplying drugs remains illegal, the business will remain a criminal monopoly. Jamaica’s gangsters will continue to enjoy total control over the ganja market. They will go on corrupting police, murdering their rivals and pushing their products to children. People who buy cocaine in Portugal face no criminal consequences, but their euros still end up paying the wages of the thugs who saw off heads in Latin America. For the producer countries, going easy on drug-users while insisting that the product remain illegal is the worst of all worlds.

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That is why decriminalisation makes sense only as a step towards legalisation. Jamaica and other countries frustrated with the current regime should adopt the policy pioneered by brave Uruguay, Colorado and Washington state, the only places in the world to put criminals out of business. By legalising cannabis from cultivation to retail, these places have snatched the industry away from crooks and given it to law-abiding entrepreneurs. Unlike the mafia, they pay tax and obey rules on where, when and to whom they can sell their products. Money saved on policing weed can be spent on chasing real criminals, or on treatment for addicts.

Steps away from prohibition are to be welcomed. But half-measures could be as dangerous as overdoses.

http://www.economist.com/news/leade...cash-legalise-drugs-instead-half-smoked-joint

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Can't happen soon enough.
 
another very important point that's missing in the above article is that decriminalisation means lack of quality control.
 
There are many legal businesses that are still controlled by criminal gangs. Try opening a tattoo shop around here and you'll find just how friendly your competition can be. Legalising the drug trade will not mean that the violence disappears. The criminal element will still exist in the industry, except with far greater leniency from the long arm of the law. The only difference is their tax dollars will be used to pay for the police to investigate their crimes.
 
I guess it's the same with some smash repair places, but outside of the major cities this doesn't seem to be so much of an issue (as far as I can see, which is from a limited viewpoint).

Like for example a tattoo shop in mullum, byron, coffs harbour, port macquarie etc etc might not have any issues at all, where as some on the gold coast and brissie and syd may.
 
Most security firms around here are also heavily tied to organise crime, despite back ground checks being mandatory for your licence. Tow truck businesses are the same.

You are kidding yourself if you think the Mullum and Byron tattoo shops don't have bike ties. The best way to test the theory is to open up a shop and wait I guess ;)
 
Haha fuck that. I dont wont anything to do with any of those kinds of people or places.

I just like to imagine the idea that some people might be able to operate in those industries without being fucked around by dick heads with too many tatts.

Ignorance is bliss I guess. 8)
 
It is amazing how many newly opened tattoo shops burn down around here. You'd think they would store the flammable inks a little more carefully
 
I don't know OTW.. you really think that some bikes stand a chance against the real hard hitters called big pharma? I don't think so... Once its legalized big pharma will swallow the precursor chemicals up and attempt and likely succeed on making them unavailable while making rock solid deals with all the organic producers. Who will want to go meet some sketch dealer when they can just slip into a pharmacy. Two examples.. booze, we don't go to a biker to get the juice.. Colorado we don't go to a grab a bag of mexi.. that shit is worthless and unsellable.
 
What makes you think that Mexican crime bosses aren't bank rolling legal dispensaries? If they now have a means to extend their production through legal stores wouldn't it make good business sense to do so?

When prohibition ended where did the alcohol initially come from? Organised crime have the production and distribution already set up, release the constraints of law and they will surely fill the void. Governments tend not to have a desire to become pseudo drug dealers, instead they licence out this role. Market forces will still encourage extortion and intimidation of competition, something organised crime have vast experience in. Like I said, they currently hold violent monopolies in many legal industries so I don't expect their tactics to suddenly change.
 
I can't say that mexican crime bosses aren't bankrolling any dispensaries.. but from what i have seen i have caught no indication of that. From what i have seen its mostly educated americans, both working and funding these endeavors. Also one of the beautiful things about legalizing these industries is even if a person who was an outlaw gets in there they then become an inlaw. Nice to have the cops protect your business, nice to not worry about the law breaking down your door and taking you away from your family and stealing all your shit.. real nice to no longer be considered the criminal you never were.. worth more than a bunch of extra money that made no difference in ones life anyway.

As far as the second point my take is kinda the same.. integrated back into a normal non violent market.. so what if some of the bikers get in the game.. as long as they follow the rules.. and there is to much profit to be made by everyone to not follow the rules.. sure people loose out on a little, but with the loss of all the hassle and no longer having to have an army to protect ones shit there comes advantages.. also no longer a need to pay 60 percent to the vatican or other shady banks to launder the money. Also the bikers and everyone else are business men. sure some of sick freaks, but they will be let go as fast as they are not needed and then will need to be dealt with by the law as they are criminals, but the real people who hold the power in this game are not criminals.. the criminals will be cut loose and have to be dealt with.. but normal human nature does not reflect what is going on right now.. sure for years there will be criminal gangs roaming the world.. but take away there money and yeah they will go into other more ruthless and sick shit.. but it will work itself out with the money taxed from the legal distribution can fund a real effort to clean this up.
 
What exactly do you think the Mexican cartels are doing now in Colorado? Do you honestly think they decided to get out of the game now that things are legally controlled? Would it make better business sense to open a store staffed by guys in Sombrero's selling t shirts with your cartel's family crest or would you simply bank roll Joe Cowboy to run your store and continue supplying the products that built your empire? The idea that large organised crime gangs are idiotic thugs is naive. They have built their empires because they are smart as well as ruthless.

You are currently in a honeymoon phase, but give it time and competitive forces will create winners and losers just like any other capitalist economy. Unfortunately the competition have along history of extortion and intimidation which will no doubt come in handy when profit margins tighten. When the going gets tough, the tough knock on doors and threaten to kneecap.
 
What exactly do you think the Mexican cartels are doing now in Colorado? Do you honestly think they decided to get out of the game now that things are legally controlled? .
You give way to much credit to the Mexican cartels.. they may not want out, but they have been relegated to the powders and tar as they are still illegal.. make them legal and watch the great depression min mexico. (in colorado)

With the influx of money and opportunity from just the legalization of pot, rental prices are at an all time high all over the front range, which makes me think that home prices are probably right in line.. colorado is doing great, laughing at the rest of the country.. oh and the world hasn't collapsed in fact crime has gone down.
 
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You obviously don't know much of the cartels other than what you see on Breaking Bad.

Did you know that the vast majority of cocaine in Australia is cartel run? Any organisation that has submarines and trans pacific shipping routes has come a long way from delivering bush weed hidden in the lining of cars. The vast economic power they wield means they are not about to exit their largest market simply because a few hippies can now sell hash cookies and pre rolled spliffs. Obviously I'm not privy to their operations but as a business man I can appreciate their successes. Personally I would see legalisation as a business opportunity, not a road block and would be surprised if an organisation with millions of dollars built up over several decades does not see it the same way.
 
^ illegality = more profits
Organised crime used to be more focused on gambling than drugs.
Illegal casinos are no longer the source of income they once were for crime syndicates.
Criminal groups move with the times, and if something ceases to be absurdly profitable, the gangs move on to something else - or perish.
 
Even a half smoked joint is better than none, which is exactly what we've got in Aus; sweet fuckall! Anyway, good luck to 'em.
 
^ illegality = more profits
Organised crime used to be more focused on gambling than drugs.
Illegal casinos are no longer the source of income they once were for crime syndicates.
Criminal groups move with the times, and if something ceases to be absurdly profitable, the gangs move on to something else - or perish.

It's when they try and go legit that you have to worry. I lived on the Coast when I was in my twenties and although the motorcycle gangs ran all the drugs, night clubs etc, the Yakuza moved there to launder their ill gotten gains (in the casino funnily enough). They were far more intimidating when they weren't actually committing a crime. When your regular revenue runs out you use what you have at your disposal, which for a lot of these guys it's violence and interrogation.

I've never known a real criminal who said they've had enough and decided to retire and go straight.
 
Crime isn't my main concern, admittedly - not being much of a 'law and order man'.
While the social impact of crime (generally) is difficult to measure, the social impact of the drug black market is enormous and wide-ranging.
I think it's a bit back-to-front to not support drug legalisation/regulation because it may cause organised criminals to expand and diversify their operations - put simply, decriminalisation - or legalisation of possession (but not supply/manufacture/cultivation etc) benefits organised criminal syndicates - and fails to improve safety, purity or quality controls for the end product.

Drug prohibition is a bloody mess (literally). Whole regions have been politically destabilised - effective warzones - for decades.
Without even taking drug users into account, it really is time we - collectively - tried something else.

The obscene amount of new, untested chemicals hitting the commercial market each year - and the cutting of drugs (at the source or early in the supply chain) with deadly or highly toxic chemicals (levamisole and fentanyl come to mind) are just two examples of the public health nightmare posed by the current prohibition model.
The complications and dangers of drug use are greatly increased by their illegality - something that decriminalisation (or the status quo) do nothing to help.
When international policy is making a dangerous thing far more dangerous (and more socially and politically harmful) - it is a failure and needs reform, to my way of thinking, anyway.

Sure, gangsters will probably always find a way to thrive in a capitalist system - but that is no reason to cling to a dangerous folly.
 
It is probably inevitable that Mexican Cartels will invest in a cannabis dispensary here and there, but that is hardly an argument against legalisation. The fact of the matter is that Mexican Cartels have not been making their money by producing the quality of cannabis that is now in demand where cannabis is now legal medically and recreationally in the US. It is easy to pay off politicians and force poor farmers to tend to large fields of cannabis and ship huge quantities over the border for sale at low prices, it is not as easy to produce a high yield of a wide variety of medical quality cannabis on a consistent basis.

A major reason the drug game has been so prone to violence and violent individuals getting involved is there is no legal recourse for victims of violence in a drug related situation, as they typically will find themselves in trouble if they report the incident to the police. Of course violence and intimidation does occur within the world of legal businesses but it is considerably less so than in the black market. This is because when a normal citizen who is guilty of no crime is threatened with violence they know they can go to the police without fear of arrest for their own indiscretions. This type of behaviour will never be fully stamped out but I think anyone would have a hard time making the argument that these incidents would not occur any less in a legal market than an illegal one.

One of the major attractions of any black market to a would be criminal is the vastly inflated profit margins as opposed to a legal business, it doesn't make much sense to argue that by legalising drugs and therefore reducing their value this would not make it a less attractive market for would be criminals to enter.

Even if legalising cannabis or drugs in general made zero impact on criminal involvement with drugs, it would make drug related transactions more transparent and this would surely have the effect of reducing the amount of violence associated with the trade.

Also, if police weren't spending all their time looking for drug users they would have a lot more time and resources to devote to catching perpetrators of violent crime.

If nothing else, consumers will have access to better quality drugs of known purity and tax revenue generated from the sale of said drugs could be funneled back into programs which aim to address social and health issues that arise from drug use, this alone is enough positive to well and truly justify ending this obscene war on drugs imho.

1KW, do you believe that the legal alcohol industry is controlled in any significant part by drug cartels? If not, why do you believe this would occur with the legalisation of other drugs when alcohol was prohibited in North America within the last century, during which time its supply was controlled by violent organised crime gangs who flourished during that time. Does it not follow if the repeal of prohibition of alcohol did not result in the criminals who supplied it when it was illegal continuing to supply it during its re-legalisation then the same thing could be accomplished with other drugs?
 
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You have obviously never been in the night club district of Surfers Paradise or Kings Cross. The whole place is run by criminals. Drugs are a major factor but you can't ignore alcohol is the main DOC in these areas. Like I said earlier, following prohibition, the ones who filled the void were the ones who ran the illegal operations during the ban.

The Gold Coast is a perfect location to introduce legal cannabis in my opinion. Not only does it have the great weather, attractions and beautiful beaches, it would also completely change the alcohol fuelled mayhem that currently exists. I'm under no illusions however who will put their hands up to supply the industry.
 
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