Lasting effects from 25i-NBOMe?

[25i]

Alright so this is my first post here due to some concerns I have after taking 25i just over a month ago. I'll try to keep this short.

So as I said, just over a month ago, I took 2 tabs of 25i which were dosed at 1000ug each along with some weed which really amplified the trip and brought me up again when I was coming down. Long story short I ended up having a really bad trip and experienced really bad ego death. Since that experience, I hadn't touched any drugs up until Monday when I smoked some weed and drank a beer or two. Everything was fine. I got more high than usual, but I expected that as my tolerance must've went down by now. The next day I went to a party where I mostly just drank, but also had a joint as well as a few balloons of nitrous oxide. Again, nothing too out of the ordinary happened here and I felt completely fine. That was until yesterday when I attended another party. Things really went downhill withing an hour of getting there. Before I got to the party I shared a joint with a friend. When I got there I drank a beer whilst taking tokes on various joints that my friends were passing around. It wasn't until I took a nitrous balloon that I started to feel weird. I was sitting down when I took the balloon and decided to breath in the balloon longer than usual. Initially, everything was fine until I sat back up from taking the balloon. After I thought the effects of the balloon had worn off, they seemingly continued. My vision wasn't blurred and sound wasn't distorted but all of my body movements seemed "delayed". It felt like it would take a second for my brain to realise that I had just moved my arm or my leg or whatever. I expected this to go away, but it didn't so I ended up going home. Up until I managed to get to sleep, the "delay" would go through particularly intense and less intense periods. I was also getting very minor visual such as repeated patterns in my peripheral vision. Oh and my heart was beating pretty fast. These are all things that I experienced while coming down from 25i. It was weird because my mind was completely clear, I could think, speak and function completely normally, unlike while I was tripping, but my body just wouldn't agree. Walking, sitting, drinking water, breathing deep or trying to distract myself from the situation, nothing would help.

Sorry if I rambled on a bit, I'm just concerned because I've mixed weed, alcohol and nitrous oxide many many times before and haven't experienced anything like this until I had a bad trip on 25i and am concerned about whether it is related or not. I'd love to hear what some of you more experienced people think.

Here's a few things to consider:

• I had mixed weed, alcohol and nitrous oxide many times before and never experienced this
• I had a really bad trip the month before experiencing ego death
• I've been slightly stressed out recently after the experience among other things
• Weed is sometimes considered a psychedelic in its own right, could taking 25i have changed the way I react to weed?
• Could it just have been a panic attack/paranoia caused by the weed because of my recent stress?
• Could it just be that my tolerance from weed has gone down, or maybe a combination of these things?
• Was it that I breathed in the nitrous oxide too long?
• Maybe I've been overdoing it this week baring in mind that it is only a month after my bad experience?
• I was smoking weed with my friends who were tripping with me on the day. Perhaps this gave me bad thoughts and memories of that day? Not sure because I smoked a shit ton with them on that Monday, more than I did yesterday.
• Slightly more contrived, but I was fairly cold as I was sitting out in the garden which caused me to shiver slightly.
• It was only my second psychedelic experience. (Yes, taking 2000ug was a bad idea. I definitely reacted a lot worse to it than my friends.)

Overall it sucks because I want to enjoy weed and nitrous, two drugs I consider to be very mild, but I'm more concerned about my health and am not going to make a mistake like I did a month ago. Thanks and I appreciate any input guys.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I've had what I assume to be side effects from 25i as well, for almost a year after using it; however, they are now slowly dissipating, and I am only using non-benzylated psychs now, and things seem to be working out. I've become of the belief that the only way for these negative effects to dissipate is to try and live healthier and just give it time.

Maybe simply avoid drugs for a while and come back to them a few months later if you're feeling okay?

 

[25i]

I've had what I assume to be side effects from 25i as well, for almost a year after using it; however, they are now slowly dissipating, and I am only using non-benzylated psychs now, and things seem to be working out. I've become of the belief that the only way for these negative effects to dissipate is to try and live healthier and just give it time.

Maybe simply avoid drugs for a while and come back to them a few months later if you're feeling okay?

That's what I'm worried about really. We don't really know much about 25i yet and I'm concerned after reading about people, such as yourself, who believe they are experiencing side effects from it even after a long time.

I think you are probably right about avoiding drugs for a while. It's gonna suck, but this has kind of been a wake up call for me I guess and I hope it will be for other people considering taking any RCs in the future.

 

[One Thousand Words]

The human brain is far too complex for any one to say with certain which drug or combination was to blame but such a high dose of any psychedelic (and 2000ug 25i-NBOME is considered high) would be enough to cause some brain damage. Weed and nitrous are not so benign that they haven't caused mental issues on their for many other people either. Perhaps this is a sign that your brain requires a much longer break. As much as it may appear to be a bit disappointing that you are no longer able to socialise with your friends the same way, take a few moments to peruse Bluelight and see the suffering others have experience who did not heed the early warnings.

Time heals most wounds, even a scattered brain. Personally I would stop taking all drugs for at least 3 months and concentrate of getting your self healthy through diet, exercise and plenty of quality sleep. There is no guarantee that you will ever be able to even smoke weed heavily again, but for the sake of your sanity it may be for the best that you don't. Given time you may be able to dip your toes in some "softer" drug experiences but you might have to accept that your brain is not cut out for more intense psychedelics. Better to understand this now rather than try and push your brain further into the abyss.

 

[25i]

The human brain is far too complex for any one to say with certain which drug or combination was to blame but such a high dose of any psychedelic (and 2000ug 25i-NBOME is considered high) would be enough to cause some brain damage. Weed and nitrous are not so benign that they haven't caused mental issues on their for many other people either. Perhaps this is a sign that your brain requires a much longer break. As much as it may appear to be a bit disappointing that you are no longer able to socialise with your friends the same way, take a few moments to peruse Bluelight and see the suffering others have experience who did not heed the early warnings.

Time heals most wounds, even a scattered brain. Personally I would stop taking all drugs for at least 3 months and concentrate of getting your self healthy through diet, exercise and plenty of quality sleep. There is no guarantee that you will ever be able to even smoke weed heavily again, but for the sake of your sanity it may be for the best that you don't. Given time you may be able to dip your toes in some "softer" drug experiences but you might have to accept that your brain is not cut out for more intense psychedelics. Better to understand this now rather than try and push your brain further into the abyss.

Thanks for the reply. I really appreciate the advice. It's hard for me to accept that I'm probably not as "cut out" for drugs as my friends who I tripped with are, considering that yesterday they were not only on weed, alcohol and nitrous, but were rolling on MDMA at the time too and were fine. I'm so glad that I didn't take any, because they offered. I've no idea what would've happened if I did.

I am definitely going to take a break, as disappointing as it is. I just hope that these effects won't persist for too long.

 

[One Thousand Words]

No one is truly immune from drug induced brain damage to be honest. Some people are just better at hiding the effects. You sound quite young, and it is normal for people to dick size their drug taking. Give at a bit of a nudge for long enough and I bet many more of your friends will suffer similar effects.

Looking at your drug intake for the last week it appears that your social group like to take drugs many times a week. While this is common, it's not exactly healthy. Moderation is the key. Even getting hammered every Saturday night is not sustainable over a life time. Nothing worse than blowing your load all at once and getting sick of drugs before you are 25. Having a social life where drugs are sometimes involved will make the experiences more interesting and varied. How you experience a drug at 20 differs vastly to how you experience it at 30. If you wear yourself out well before your time then you'll probably never understand what I mean.

 

[25i]

Sound advice there. I definitely regret taking a high dose of 25i at a young age. I guess the positive outcome of my experience though is that it has really put myself and my friends off of RCs as well as other psychedelics for now. Perhaps the reason why they are able to continue with other drugs is because their psychedelic experiences weren't as bad as mine.

I'm not really bothered about "dick sizing" my drug intake. I mean, I've always avoided talking about my drug intake to those who don't take drugs and avoided people who are too vocal about their own. I just find it frustrating that I used to be able to enjoy weed on a fairly regular basis without really having to worry about negative side effects. Now it has kind of lost its innocence for me. I mean, I told myself after my bad trip that I was going to stick to only weed and alcohol from then on, unaware that even that may be too much.

 

[pupnik]

after getting stuck in an intensely psychedelic mind state for a while - such as your 'negative' 2 tab 25i experience, you become attuned to what goes on.
this will happen even if the experience is not negative, but you have to pay attention.

in psychedelic states of mind (include deeply emotional states of mind, and include emerging from sleep or from anaesthesia)
you experience the world as a series of moments (which is normal)
but the moments fade more slowly (unlike in a normal state of mind in which each only lasts only ~1/15th of a second)
so while stoned, the persisting (fading) moments stack up on top of each other creating richer sensation and cognition,
and you get an extremely distorted sense of time passing, (including faster, slower, stopped, jumping to key frames)
therefore motion and coordination become awkward or, automatic. and sequences may repeat
as the mind easily moves up and down through the stack of still fading moments - each of which is 100% as real as the others.

So having been stuck in your 25i episode, you are now attuned to all the psychedelic time effects, and you are noticing them on weed or nitrous, whereas in your pre-25i days you did not notice them.

besides noticing them you are panicking a bit and the emotional result is intensifying the psychedelic effect so you are getting much more stoned than just smoking or huffing nitrous.

so the thing is to watch the psychedelic effect and let it be what it is, enjoy it as what it is, and relax through it. this will take practice to accommodate your memories of panic that occurred on 25i, but eventually you will accept them for what they were, and the rest of your life will have a more even texture.

 

[25i]

Hmm. I like the way you described experiencing the world as "a series of moments". It makes sense because I found that while lying in bed, if I concentrated on moving just one body part, there would be no "delay". However, if I tried to move multiple parts of my body, I would get that delay because I couldn't comprehend the multiple very sudden movements. I think you are right that panic is a big part of it. So I should, as you said, try to relax as much as possible because the more I though about it, the worse it got I suppose.

Thanks a lot for the reply. It definitely makes me feel better.

 

[pupnik]

watching what is happening is one way to stop reacting.
stopping reacting is more functional than calming down.

the thing is, you have to practice watching what is happening so that later when you are stressed, you can do it automatically.
when you are stressed you can't exactly learn easily to do a complex thing for the first time.

so
the practice is to be aware of all the contact points your body has in a moment, and be aware of vision in that same moment, and if you can be aware of breathing out and breathing in at each moment. that is a way of connecting with your sensorium, and also you can be aware of mental objects like ideas and memories and words formulating and how they accompany your sensorium.

later when stoned watch the same stuff, it is amazing.

watching is a good attitude.

 

[25i]

That definitely makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks. I guess it's time for me to see how things play out from here on.

 

[Tryptamino]

after getting stuck in an intensely psychedelic mind state for a while - such as your 'negative' 2 tab 25i experience, you become attuned to what goes on.
this will happen even if the experience is not negative, but you have to pay attention.

in psychedelic states of mind (include deeply emotional states of mind, and include emerging from sleep or from anaesthesia)
you experience the world as a series of moments (which is normal)
but the moments fade more slowly (unlike in a normal state of mind in which each only lasts only ~1/15th of a second)
so while stoned, the persisting (fading) moments stack up on top of each other creating richer sensation and cognition,
and you get an extremely distorted sense of time passing, (including faster, slower, stopped, jumping to key frames)
therefore motion and coordination become awkward or, automatic. and sequences may repeat
as the mind easily moves up and down through the stack of still fading moments - each of which is 100% as real as the others.

So having been stuck in your 25i episode, you are now attuned to all the psychedelic time effects, and you are noticing them on weed or nitrous, whereas in your pre-25i days you did not notice them.

besides noticing them you are panicking a bit and the emotional result is intensifying the psychedelic effect so you are getting much more stoned than just smoking or huffing nitrous.

so the thing is to watch the psychedelic effect and let it be what it is, enjoy it as what it is, and relax through it. this will take practice to accommodate your memories of panic that occurred on 25i, but eventually you will accept them for what they were, and the rest of your life will have a more even texture.

Spot on, great post.