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July 3rd update in Canadian legalization

Thomas Davie

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On Thursday, June 30th, the composition of the Anne McClellan led task force to study legalization was announced. I'm not going to go into the composition of the task force at the moment, but am posting here to make a request for Canadian MJ users, whether recreational or medical.

Health Canada has opened up a web site entitled 'Toward the Legalization, Regulation and Restriction of Access to Marijuana - Discussion Paper'

It has the following sections;

1) Introduction
2) Background
3) Discussion Issues: Elements of a New System
3.1) Minimizing Harms of Use
3.2) Establishing a Safe and Responsible Production System
3.3) Designg an Appropriate Distribution System
3.4) Enforcing Public Safety and Protection
3.5) Accessing Marijuana for Medical Purposes
4) Conclusion and References

In sections 3.1-3.5 inclusive there are sections for personal input. The government is literally asking for input on everything. You have the opportunity to write essays essentially and have 1000's of your words and ideas read. It's asking a lot, so I ain't asking anyone to do it (I already did and spent about 4 hours in total writing); but I am letting Canadians know that this chance for your written input exists. Now, and only until August 29th, at which point this method of public input will be closed. You even get the chance to discuss drug testing :)

First week of November recommendations will be made to Parliament. These will be made public. At this point , laws are going to be constructed, which will be tabled in April.

Here is the link to the government website.

http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/healt...lization-marijuana-legalisation/index-eng.php

Tom

Again, this is a lot to ask, so I ain't asking; but if you want to have your say and have it read, this is the chance
 
Thank you for sharing. I am Canadian, and I particularly don't want to see concentrates demonized like they are in the news lately, to the extent that they are outlawed. I would also like it to be legal to grow your own both indoors and outdoors, at least 6 plants too but preferably an unlimited number of plants. Seeing a monopoly like they have with booze and the lcbo with just a handful of companies wouldn't sit well with my anti-corporate mentality. I heard them talking about dispensing it from liquor stores in Ontario. I will not step foot in a liquor store due to my morals and values, the use of alcohol stands against everything I believe in and I would hate getting my medicine from there. I feel like a lot of stoners don't like alcohol, so I think it's a stupid idea to do that and it's associating cannabis with getting wasted which is a damned shame they see it that way. Also, mail order MJ is a terrible idea because you can't inspect it before getting it, and there is so much bullshit to look out for let alone taking personal preference into account.

All I use are cannabis concentrates and I really need access to them or I'd freak. I'm going to look into sharing my views as well. I have a feeling they are going to do it in a way that is terrible for the consumer, but gives the government the most money. I don't know if they necessarily don't give a fuck about the consumer (although I am very much suspicious of this considering the motherfucker has locked up 20-some-thousand people or more for weed offences after pledging to legalize it) - I personally think that people who don't smoke weed just don't understand it at all. I also think Trudeau isn't pro pot at all. He was pro getting elected, and wanted the stoner population, especially younger voters to vote for him. Obama is the real leader with a pothead mentality, just read the recent ny times article on how he stays up for hours on end alone at night, reclusively. Makes me think he's getting dabs from the secret service, and he inhales, that was the point. Haha. And that country has seen progress under him. So they really do need input from Canadian users who have years of experience and a good understanding of the cannabis plant.
 
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Salutations ShroomySatori,

...my anti-corporate mentality.

While we're the target we stand defensive and forget it is the bigot anti-cannabic prohibitionists who are wrong, no matter what fancy name they call it! Actually we shouldn't even have to be against anything, it's THEIR problem and the problem is THEY are in control now... Just because Justin's mother and brother consumed cannabis themselves doesn't imply he's tolerant of it as much as we'd like to believe - actually, with a Prime Minister as my own father i'd probably feel ambivalent about cannabis too i figure!

Etc.

...associating cannabis with getting wasted...

I think the propaganda level is on another scale when it's OKay for the Montreal SPVM-GTi police to KILL over Trudeau's "Mari-Caca", only to collect 235 g which could very well correspond to a monthly purchase for those who were present during the intervention. For reference there's the official version from traditional media or the alternate one that we don't hear about via ordinary channels... As a matter of fact the journalists focussed on burning cars instead of starting to ask question as to who pulled the trigger of a "cinetic" (plastic wand) weapon aiming for the face while at unsafe distance, potentially deadly as it turned out. Not to mention the man was unarmed and firmly constrained by the 4 sides of a window trying to decide what side to go next, i figured... Too bad, and now there are citizens wondering if that was the same officer who killed yet another person from that same group in 2008. Etc, etc. Briefly put this could be stuff for a serious senatorial commission: police gone wild, just as they have in south USA recently i think. So beware, Liberals and/or Conservatives alike are quite ready/willing to import this violent model here as well, my dear Canuck fellow!!

...a damned shame...

When you're a federal government with plenty of national resources it's way beyond ordinary shame to push on the science of bigotry instead of real cannabis knowledge. Those who dare speak so loud on planet Itnoc (In The Name Of Children!) have demonstrated time after time they'll chase their ghosts forever while performing CULTURAL GENOCIDE in the process and so on.

Trudeau warned us on TV at premium hours: he wants us to show our identifications cards, as if cannabis was a weapon ready to kill (at the very minimum it must be decarboxylated), euh... Anyway, the guy may look nice but i suspect he's suffering from severe anal retention! The period for doubts has passed a long while ago: to him and his voter base we're all potential criminals trying to destroy children's lives. Truth is prohibitionists need no cannabis to do exactly that and much worse even: e.g. KILL a humman being over "weed" simply in case that might spare some future youth frustrations, eventually... In a country holding the earth's record for teenager use while it doesn't seem to me this even echoes in reality or we'd actually see those kids walking like zombies around. So, with that sort of epidemics one has got to wonder: where are the victims exactly?? Etc., etc.

...mail order MJ is a terrible idea...

An understatement as it is a temptation exposing minors to more crime than what's already the case as a result of irrational prohibitionism. Bill G20 Blair and his gang are no more than bullies abusing the system, praying on vulnerable Canadians. Which is what "legaleezation" meant i'm afraid! So with Conservatives as the political opposition it seems i'm likely to live my entire life with a constant element of criminal stigma after all, because i choose to consume cannabis, e.g. not "mari-caca", "shit" or whatever.

I have a feeling they are going to do it in a way that is terrible for the consumer...

M'yeap, me too. And if i were to push their own reasoning to its natural conclusion i'd leave no other options to honest/peaceful persons than to buy full-synthetic (formatted) doses with mamoth price-tags (to deter the children), composed as a function of share-holder preferences, deposited on polyimide substrates specifically designed to fit government-owned (rented) remote-controlled vaporizers with all the bells & whistles to please control freaks in some horror show, etc... It can all be done on planet Itnoc, just find the right angle knowing traditional media will be all too pleased to follow and cover-up.

M'well, i mean who in Ottawa's parliament felt like raising their voice in the name of Jean Pierre Bony, KILLED in "Montréal-Noir" just a few hours from April 1st!... Right in time to send a POLITICAL message that no one seems to have noticed in the end, while Trudeau was scheduled to have camera sessions in Trois-Rivières 6 days later, only a couple hours away by car. Euh... IMO "terrible" changes to "irresponsible" (if not "criminal"!) when the dots start to align, honestly!

I also think Trudeau isn't pro pot at all.

When given rare opportunities to address a large part of Québec's population on national TV (at TLMEP) about cannabis i found that Trudeau always chose to spare bigot anti-cannabic prohibitionist sensitivities in priority, while in fact he's planning to seduce the same voters with his opponents own arguments: what of the children?... But don't hold your breath waiting for a mature nation-wide bidirectional debate on the matter, Janey Canuck already set that fate in stone with her racist book supported with the "science" of John Warnock in Cairo almost a hundred years ago!...

...they really do need input from Canadian users who have years of experience and a good understanding of the cannabis plant.

Nah, not exactly: they only pretend they want all Canadians to get their fair chance to participate to this non-debate. At this point the only big boss above Trudeau who might make a difference in my book would happen to be Her Majesty The Queen, Chief of the Commonwealth. Maybe the United Nations scheduled to have yet another assembly on drugs in 2019 would finally care to listen at the Chief of Commonwealth i figure - or maybe not because of universal values such as GREED/MONEY, POWER...

Briefly put i'll never trust MiniPET, he's got years of a bad records behind him already. Too bad the canuck people won't listen when it matters most!

Condolescences for having our collective "transparent" sunny future reserved for some others yet to be born, possibly in a few decades or the next century...

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
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Nah, not exactly: they only pretend they want all Canadians to get their fair chance to participate to this non-debate.


Hello! I hope life finds you as well as it can.

Whether fair or not, I participated. I filled in the questionnaire, every section - and left my name, phone number, address and email on every submission. And copied it down. When the recommendations are made to parliament first week of November I'm going to email my comments to all the Canadian media I can think of.

At the moment, it does not look good, considering who is on the 'legalization' panel - but perhaps naively I still think we're going to win because there are activists who have got nothing left to lose.

I'm kinda in a holding pattern and waiting to see what the government announces on August 24th regarding medical access and the MMPR (for non Canadians that's the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations)

Tom
 
Took me 3 days to complete this essay survey.

I thought it would have been better if it was more forum like and we could read the ideas of others, I suppose this helps us all be a bit more creative. I do wish they would have allowed up to mark our submissions public though. Personally I would like to see what the average submission looks like.

Several times, in the pre-questionaire, they use the terms Criminal and Organized Crime. I think we have more organized crime in almost any sector or society then in marijuana production and we need to help both our government and public move away from connecting marijuana to crime. The strongest incentives to keep crime away from the marijuana industry would be keep supply high and cost down.

Canada has a unique cottage industry with quality and variety that set the standard for world class products. We need to fight to preserve this through the process of legalization.

While education will be a key element in keeping the government from being to controlling, filling in this survey thoughtfully may be just as important.
 
Yourbaker - from the bottom of my heart Thank You. The main points I stressed were not to see this as a tax grab, not to be overly restrictive in terms of access (i.e., not to make the minimum age 25, don't limit purchases to one gram at a time, allow personal production, etc). I repeatedly stressed in every section that curtailing the black market means opening up availability and allowing multiple non corporate points of production.

Tom
 
yourbaker - from the bottom of my heart thank you. The main points i stressed were not to see this as a tax grab, not to be overly restrictive in terms of access (i.e., not to make the minimum age 25, don't limit purchases to one gram at a time, allow personal production, etc). i repeatedly stressed in every section that curtailing the black market means opening up availability and allowing multiple non corporate points of production.

tom

qft
 
Salutations Thomas Davie,
Salutations Yourbaker,

>> I hope life finds you as well as it can.

Give & Take!

M'well, i just passed a couple hours trying to compose a nice reply with lots of read-proofing only to find the system doesn't like it and i have don't the sort of energy to fix that completely.

So here's what i could save, forget the rest...

...pardon me the side-note but this happens to remind me of a song from Bryan Ferry, not his best sample IMO but that song's title just seemed to fit in, euh... So i sort of couldn't let pass! Plus it allows me to proceed with the rest of my reply with something nice to listen to while wearing my earphones (it's getting hot/humid outside and my air conditioner is noisy so that helps to wear earphones, actually!), euh...

Like i commented above, Give 'n Take!

>> Whether fair or not, I participated. I filled in the questionnaire, every section - and left my name, phone number, address and email...

That's one of the many issues i can clearly point a finger at when it comes to Trudeau's emerging "legaleezation", when was it a Canadian government has felt necessary to build some black list(s) only to allow a citizen's right to self-expression on the public place, specifically for individuals who became slaves to real damaging addictions relatively to a favourite zero-schedule legal substance: namely alcohol, tobacco and so many more in our modern society? Etc...

Honestly, if a kid is going to experience alternate states of conciousness in his young age anyway then i'd rather wish him to pick cannabis and stick with it for the rest of his life if he must. M'well, unless the person is one of those who should never touch it at all, of course. Then i'd expect our public servants in panic may finally understand it's time to stop the Victorian-age propaganda and start listening to reason with no ready-made agenda waiting to dominate the scene next, instead of constantly searching for news ways to cause durable trauma early in life when most vulnerable then blame cannabis for it! Making a dime on it in the process, on planet Itnoc...

8)

I wouldn't question the idea that there are some marginal consumption disorder cases occuring in Canada as i think their existence supports bigot anti-cannabic prohibitionism a great deal; also, on top of it i'd argue it's this misguided interference precisely which i would blame 1st for the "socio-toxic" repercussions linked to "Trudeau's "mari-caca" today. His father's son just sent too many wrong signals failing to show some minimal sense of social justice each time he was given a significative opportunity to take concrete constructive action.

Where was Justin in Ottawa's parliament when a dying journalist made the news in a Sherbrooke hospital as a result of his vaporizer, for example? Has he recorded any public/official protest when an RCMP officer finally committed suicide after being "gently" pushed to the edge by the love-haters/hate-lovers? Etc, etc. Oh of course there's been a few good media hits in favour of MiniPET but i wasn't in any of the targeted audience when that happened, for all i can tell!

Since his obcession is « what about the children! », nonetheless, i also pray providence our Canuck teenagers may some day have the means to understand all by themselves -and quickly- how much the method of consumption can shape a person's own consumption profile. M'well, at least this is the way i perceive the matter myself, so i think if our political "experts" were truly fit for a pro-cannabic normalisation reform then i figure it should start with respect for humans as individuals with constitutional rights. Those who can afford to publish their personal information have a voice, lucky them. The others can't even turn to an association, whatever; as a matter of fact even within our own anonymous on-line "community" there's obvious fracturation between medical vs recreational, bong vs dab, smoker vs vaporist and whatnot, etc., etc.

In other words i've given up all hopes and started looking elsewhere because it's a lost cause now that they've actually KILLED over "weed" and walked away with it - no questions asked. I suppose because it was in Montréal/Qc, the guy spoke French apparently and his skin was dark!!

Euh...

Ah, and talking of elsewhere:


So here's the place i had in mind a few sentences above...


I mean... Lesser and/or better precision dosage, improved appreciation. Aspects of cannabis i wouldn't count on our politicians for, at the moment...

>> ...I'm going to email my comments to all the Canadian media I can think of.

I have no trust left in traditional media anymore.

>> ...does not look good... I'm kinda in a holding pattern...

This is a feeling i once shared, months before elections day. But then i couldn't ignore the warning signs... Trudeau will be happy when government has destroyed cannabis socio-culture and villified it even more so that those who make a dime out of it get something to chew on until retirement... Because it's not about what should be told but what politicians believe they can say without risking to affect their own situation adversely. So much for children, that's how i see it. They get paid to perform the "Harm" then we're abusively expected to assume consequences for those wrongful actions taking place far outside the realm of our own daily realities nonetheless.

The mere fact that i won't hear Bill G20 Blair reported by local French-speaking media while answering questions on the HOMICIDE of Jean Pierre Bony by Montreal's SPVM-GTi tells me where he stands and that's all i need to know after all!

This new "boss" won't face his responsabilities, this opens the door to some more speculation like what if he knew right from the start? For example... Not good doesn't quite say it all i fear. I simply can't be made to believe this bully got nothing to do with this bizarre "mishap", sorry!

>> ...waiting to see what the government announces on August 24th regarding medical access and the MMPR (for non Canadians that's the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations)

They'll use this event to fix things which didn't need a fix before, the patients won't be the Liberal's top priority i bet.

>> Took me 3 days to complete this essay survey.

Perhaps we should dialog together!

>> I thought it would have been better if it was more forum like and we could read the ideas of others, I suppose this helps us all be a bit more creative. I do wish they would have allowed up to mark our submissions public though. Personally I would like to see what the average submission looks like.

It's a fake event and the premise is fundamentally biased, so why care anyway?!

>> Several times, in the pre-questionaire, they use the terms Criminal and Organized Crime. ...

See what i mean?...

>> We need to fight...

Others had similar claims before, a few even got involved then eventually found a way to make a dime out of it... Some even became politicians, journalists, doctors...

Too bad they all tend to forget those left behind once the mountain top is reached!

>> While education will be a key element in keeping the government from being to controlling, filling in this survey thoughtfully may be just as important.

There's the internet to serve as a long-term memory and this one is a bit more anonymous/private. Not nearly as official but certainly no less promissing in terms of allowing ideas to survive for the benefit of future generations, in a couple decades, if we manage to avoid a 3rd world war when we get there i guess...

>> ...a tax grab, not to be overly restrictive in terms of access...

Use some of the reasoning which applies to sex (or even masturbation!) then transpose this to cannabis and ask around what gives government the ethical authority to force me into hiring a prostitute instead of a person of my own choice - or a hand other than my own, etc. « What about the children » is a far stretch knowing how traumatic it can be for a teenager to find himself at the center of a plain over-reacting situation when no one is in immediate danger. Those in constant bigot anti-cannabic prohibitionist panic only care for their own "logic" and the voters supporting them on a vague tax excuse have no better moral values: money doesn't spare our elite classes from the duty to work for the people in all honesty. Having a majority of seats in Ottawa doesn't excuse focussed abuse only to please a sub-group of voters unable to demonstrate responsible maturity in the matter.

So they'll over-tax it anyway, pretend it's all the "stoners" fault and then ultimately align to cash in, on top of it all!

>> ...curtailing the black market means opening up availability and allowing multiple non corporate points of production.

It was bigot anti-cannabis prohibitionists who created a problem out a non-issue, essentially. Remove them 1st, then the illicit market crashes for good, because we'll only need to grow it under the sun someday. But not today!

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Oh, well i done my best despite a broken board, trying to use the tools at hand... but i won't continue insisting with more details in this present reply as that's become too much frustration for me today. At least i saved the essential part of what i got to write i hope.

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
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All I use are cannabis concentrates and I really need access to them or I'd freak.

I only need it legal for that^^^^ Wax/shatter/budder/oil/bubble. I vape them and I need them at a semi reasonable price as i go through a lot.

I'm scared the composition of this panel is all prohibitionists and when they are done it's going to be low THC mass produced crap. Also controlled by big tobacco with the radioactive ferts and all the things that make tobacco so terrible. People want organic cannabis, I would prefer to go to a little guy independent dispensary not the Beer Store. We should copy either the successful models of Colorado pot stores or Dutch coffeeshops which both give users lots of choices and encourage small growers (and jobs!) not giant mega corporations. Why try and re invent the wheel? The made in Canada solution is sounding worse and worse. I never expected we would be allowed real freedom like the freedom to grow 5 plants each like Washington state, but unless good extracts are legal I am sticking with the illegal supply.
I thought the biggest problem when we elected this clown would be places to smoke because of the non smoking bylaws, now I am thinking this is going to be a total failure. If anything people making their own extracts at home are the biggest danger when it comes to oil/shatter. They want to "minimize harm" well those explosions and fires won't happen if shatter is made is safe facilities. The idea should be people stop making it in their kitchens. Banning it will make the problem worse. And wax/shatter is only staying illegal because of hysteria. You smoke less, it should be less harmful.
Legal weed is going to be weak, over regulated, mass produced, etc. And still no where to go and smoke so the group of young people smoking giant joint you have to pass with your toddler are still going to be in the park. They banned indoor vaping in Calgary before weeds even legal so it's going to be toking at home or nowhere here. But half the apartments are non smoking and the ones you can smoke cigs, where i live, you still get warnings for weed smoke. There should be coffeeshops, at the very least vape lounges.
 
And still no where to go and smoke so the group of young people smoking giant joint you have to pass with your toddler are still going to be in the park. They banned indoor vaping in Calgary before weeds even legal so it's going to be toking at home or nowhere here. But half the apartments are non smoking and the ones you can smoke cigs, where i live, you still get warnings for weed smoke. There should be coffeeshops, at the very least vape lounges.

This will be a problem; you're right. If it's made legal and we don't have coffeeshops or onsite consumption (where you can buy and smoke in) and people aren't going to be able to smoke in an apartment or rental house this does nothing to bring Cannabis into the open. And we are, or at least I thought, trying to bring this away from the black market. Personally I've got no problem with drugged driving laws, providing they are enacted appropriately; but I've also got no problem with public stores, shops, designated smoking locations, etc. Shit, the cops can hang out there all day for all I care, they ain't gonna catch me - I'll take a cab or get a ride if I go to one of these places.

Amsterdam doesn't seem to have a problem with it; why should Canada?

Tom
 
This is where my fellow Canucks been hiding-weed post lol jk
thanks for the link.
I have my script and I can use at home because no kids. I agree with it being totally legal but I do not agree with kids being in second hand smoke. So laws do have to be made for apartments and areas to be used in. With our government this can take years. I got addicted to benzo and opiates when waiting for my green card, I'm now on methadone for pill addiction and pain management . Kinda backwards
 
This is where my fellow Canucks been hiding-weed post lol jk
thanks for the link.
I have my script and I can use at home because no kids. I agree with it being totally legal but I do not agree with kids being in second hand smoke. So laws do have to be made for apartments and areas to be used in. With our government this can take years. I got addicted to benzo and opiates when waiting for my green card, I'm now on methadone for pill addiction and pain management . Kinda backwards

I too am more comfortable using at home. No kids, and out of respect to my dogs and cats I go into another room and then come back. Same thing if I have guests. I never thought about apartments to be honest.

Tom
 
I have a couple of fans aimed at a window I smoke next to because I don't really want to go light up a bowl outside, since I live right in the heart of downtown.

I've also had years (decades, really, more like 20 years) of drinking and other drug use problems because I hadn't really discovered weed. I sometimes wonder what my life would have been like if I'd been a functional stoner instead of an out of control drunk.

Oh well, sunrise, sunset.
 
Salutations,

...when they are done it's going to be low THC...

And beyond... Actually here's how i foresee Trudeau's Canuck mari-caca on planet Itnoc myself by now:

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{ Sorry about only having that external resource handy! }

Pushing the bigot anti-cannabic prohibition dogma toward what i perceive as one of its possible logical conclusions (e.g. total eradication of everything cannabis, ultimately...) lets think about how vile i imagine it needs to be made in order to retain conservative voter support - which in retrospective appears to be the one voter-base prefered by Trudeau. My thoughts on "Prohibitionist-friendly Synthetic Canna-Substrate":


More clearly it would be an adaptation based on automated technology that controls the mixing of substance ratios exactly, through scanner-like spray machines; considering the bigots will think high-cost can keep children away from it when combined to tight-controlled distribution i'd bet then that "recreational" recipes would come at a premium co$t - as if 5 $/g street stuff was a bargain. No more smoking, those tatooed with a serial number shall consume such designer "drug" strictly in private, as if that was similar to male masturbation... Which makes me remind the reader how their flawed hateful logic crumbles on its base when we stop looking at the "problem" from THEIR own imposed point of view. Think of it hard if you must!

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While (fake) "dialogue" is announced which could be "worthy" of Ottawa's parliamentary scope in the "public eye" (with decisions planned according to an equally vile agenda long ago), i figure in a decade or so the "criminals" caught selling rolling paper besides matches and/or butane lighters shall be tagged and catalogued in a very special criminal category designed by our elite "experts", with the promise to send people in jail for non-commutable Life Sentences while Post Canada goes on with its daily routine work on planet Itnoc: putting mari-caca in mail-boxes!

As for guys adventurous enough to hack the governement's (3rd-party) remote-controlled vaporizers i dunno how worst it could get until death sentences are brought back in the political arena, euh...

Etc., etc.

:sus:

Briefly put, lets explore the alternatives ourselves before a bunch of shameless predators comes forward with their own "Harm Reduction" answers. Piling up even more distortion speech in the process.

Too bad it's already getting clear what side will win anyway - because it's still about a same battle (e.g. some obsolete "war on drug") in Canada. Personally i can't say what's the difference, Trudeau or not.

...with the radioactive ferts and all the things that make tobacco so terrible.

How about bio-engeneered (GMO) markers aimed to help separate "criminal weed" from whatever is left "legal"?!... M'well, i may sound extreme but my enemy ain't any less!!

Simply envision this: after just a couple weeks "stoners" depending on some underground market would lack one of the few Big Mari-Caca approved fluorescence features visible under UV light, or go figure what else!

:|

People want organic cannabis...

It's never been about that, not even to ease the lives of "medical" client$$$.

My expectations are we won't get that quality product legally and in good time neither. Not to mention the customer cost won't be anywhere close to ordinary cooking oil - as they'll pretend the artificially inflated price-tag could save yet-to-come children, in a far far distant future that we know little about, out there on planet Itnoc, in a remote galaxy...

I never expected we would be allowed real freedom...

That right was confiscated in denial of democratic institutions in 1923 - BY A LIBERAL. Then in 1925 ANOTHER LIBERAL presided at the League of Nations to implement an international ban across the Commonwealth. What we need to do is to criticize the "science" behind such political cheat, which shouldn't be difficult in a world where politicians and traditional media do actually kiss each other's arses continuously to keep their own businesses alive - though not systematically (controversy pays!)...

Forget the "populace", the elite knows better just as in between the 2 wars - in plain economic crisis, euh... Etc.

In other words Justin MiniPET Trudeau needs ZERO COURAGE to push his present agenda forward on the public place and that's sufficient political hint to me. They won, we lost - including many future generations i'm afraid.

I thought the biggest problem when we elected this clown would be places to smoke...

The recent provincial interdictions banning toxic tobacco AND much healthier vaporizers altogether in the open is just more bigot stuff already elevated to a state of law, in plain view like a trophy. It's not about "science" at all, they don't really care about "Public Health" nor even the poor children on who some "illegal" cannabis threatens to jump on, obviously. This single fact of life occuring within divided citizen space (West vs East, whatever) implies the rest that will follow is equally wrong if it's supposed to be Canada's new starting ground.

Political deception pure & simple. With nobody able/willing to question the real foundations (too much of a noble task for ordinary Canuck citizens i guess!)...

And still no where to go and smoke...

In your room with the blinds closed, as what's a proper setup for masturbation and probably a few other sinful things that conservatives love to hate, especially in public...

Euh... I mean THEY love to do their favourite thing in public, which is about « breaking the toys of others » - while enjoying the absence of guilt behaving in plain bully fashion, theoretically posing as models for future Canucks in Trudeau's sunny "transparent" country.

...this does nothing to bring Cannabis into the open.

Their hypocritic views are inherited from prohibition which they plan to "fix" for good i seems... Except cannabis doesn't justify that high level of panic at all, evidently: children are at risk in their own homes today and yet life goes on, because there are bigger economic interests at stake than just our well-being, etc.

This ellusive "Black-Market" is being instrumentalized quite the same as Victorian-age bigot fears, no more no less. Reefer Madness as usual! If it were appealing enough the serious consumers might someday consider giving away their hand-written signature, despite an eventual need to also provide multiple DNA samples, plus a few retinal scans, etc., euh... But i understood they won't "legaleeze" for anyone's benefit other than their own. Actually i'm expecting it's that very same black-market that will effectively drive the quality market, eventually, as prices are bound to explode; making such incentive to take over even more real, because of greed and appetite for power. The sky is their only limit and it's them against us more than ever, with drones and electric loggin (spy) meters added to this renewed war game, etc.

...also had years (decades, really, more like 20 years) of drinking and other drug use problems because I hadn't really discovered weed. I sometimes wonder what my life would have been like if I'd been a functional stoner instead of an out of control drunk.

My reflexion resulted in the opinion that it was bigot anti-cannabic prohibitionist interference which actually caused cannabis to become a growing nuisance when that was essentially a non-issue before they started. The cigarette/"joint" consumption method is particularily evil when scrutinized closely, it's a total non-sense that villified our favourite noble molecules in many ways and now they're at it again, fighting with more abusive laws whatever healthier alternatives there could be... Promoting toxic combustion of paper & glue after destroying half of the goodies to heat up the rest. Euh... So, ain't that bigot enough?? Then they wish they could lock us up for mandatory "treatment" in detected cases of potential abuse, which to me is some sort of a circular-logic trap i believe: it's all too easy to induce "unresolved obcessions" created out of thin air (e.g. so to speak)! Because i now am convinced the healing would have come faster for many of us if we had simply been allowed to learn from our own pesonal mistakes - but they claim knowing what's best for us and blame us a lifetime afterwards once problems arise.

Truth is the enemy thinks teenagers will be repelled once the cost has sky-rocketted while an already optional level of quality continues to be the norm, under the form of low-THC whole-grindings, as for when feeding the pigs, cows and other farm animals...

Respect is the key and the Liberals repeatedly killed it bit by bit starting with day #1 with an absence of concerns for the REAL victims, including eyebrow-raising "ambiguous" events as the rejection of Joy Davis in Vancouver, for starters... Those who couldn't see the danger despite all past political hints can only regret not electing a more favourable party in Ottawa today, the double talk at UNGASS 2016 was quite some memorable sample of dishonesty eventually confirming aprehensions as no balanced critics would find any echo in the real world, nonetheless. M'well, there was a reply the day after made by Louise Arbour and a few collegues but then i've got to wonder who paid any attention to that, with the show over in New York. Next rendez-vous? 2019 as i recall... Expect yet another great missed Canadian opportunity, evidently.

So, if i were a kid these days with full awareness of all those things hidden from me, for just too many decades, then i'd begin with this simple remark: should i happen to be driven by deliquent behaviour (while intoxicated by villified prohibitionist-prefered mari-caca) then i'd most likely exploit my relative immunity as a minor to target mail-boxes in hope for a quick monetary benefit reselling "medical" grade "fourage" to anyone gullible enough to pay their mafia-approved price... The governement not only lies about it, our Canuck elite actually creates even more prejudice than what this should normally call for, too bad these twisted politicians can't seriously pretend taking action in good faith.

And if i were as evil as they are then i'd probably figure it all about the colossal economic appeal there can be in taking advantage of extreme distortions (50 ¢/g vs 5 $/g and beyond!)... Meaning this government is certainly on the right way if their initial goal was to multiply "harm" at least tenfold, pretending the added exposure via snail-mail can't be an incentive to consider real criminal behaviour. Funded on public money to serve the private interests of public servants turned mercenaries. Etc., etc.

M'well, that's all the good thoughts i have for MiniHarper this time.

All there's left to do now is enjoy our time while it lasts, or play puppet to perpetuate a parasitic bullying system based on "science" imported from planet Itnoc!

...

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
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Although it is depressing considering what might/may happen with regard to Canadian legalization, my eternally optimistic self thinks (hopes?) for good news on August 24th.

I've read some reports where authors call for a collapse of medical into the retail market; they're basically stating that it would be a waste of resources to maintain 2 parallel systems with different rules, hence justify a removal of the medical market. I don't see that happening because time after time so far, the courts have come down on the sid of the patients.

I see the continued existence of a strong medical market as demonstrative that loosened recreational rules (e.g., allowing personal cultivation for instance) can work.

As a patient, I intend on growing if allowed to, or to pass on my cultivation rights to a collective growing caregiver. If the sky doesn't fall when medical patients are allowed to grow, then why would that not be allowed recreationally?

We'll see in a few weeks what happens.

Tom
 
Salutations Thomas Davie,

Although it is depressing considering what might/may happen with regard to Canadian legalization, my eternally optimistic self thinks (hopes?) for good news on August 24th.

With only a few weeks left i'll be tempted to agree with a wait 'n see attitude, while i also considered refering back to the UNGASS 2016 speach...


Oh it seems not, after all. That would require more time & effort than initially prepared for - and yet i'm not excessively surprized... Go figure! 8)

This is my related excerpt anyway:

« Our approach to drugs must be comprehensive, collaborative and compassionate. It must respect human rights while promoting sheer responsability, and it must have a firm scientific foundation. In Canada we will apply these principles with regards to "mari-wana". To that end we will be introducing legislation in the spring of 2017 that insures that we keep "Marie Ouana" out of the hands of children, and profits out of the hands of criminals. While this plan challenges the status-quo in many countries we are convinced it is the best way to protect our youth, while enhancing public safety. Canada will continue to modernize our approach to drug policy. Our work will embrace upstream prevention, compassionate treatment and harm reduction. »​

...not without a bit of my creative typos when it comes to the specific word Liberals have chosen to designate it, VERY consistently, euh...

To "modernize our approach to drug policy", really?? And "modernize" in what sense?? Going back to the modern era, e.g. a retrograde movement going backwards in time, for example?...

Ah, and... Oh the ultimate argument: science combined to reason!! I'm dying right there, ain't that too good to be true! { Seems so indeed. }


Sure, we've already got a faire sample what that could mean, of course. With a dead human body in the balance after only 5 months with little to talk about, much less in objective bidirectional debates... Way to go!!

8(

But then i have a simple question: what next if it turns out THEY are the criminals??

I mean, we did elect Chretien too so shouldn't that ring any bells?...

I've read some reports where authors call for a collapse of medical into the retail market...

They can ask all they want, i don't need the exact numbers to realize the statistics that reflect bigot anti-cannabic prohibitionist abuse have become obscene. At least by my own moral standards, how about MiniPET? What makes those authors so special when compared to aboriginals facing violent police, for example!... It's not like we never heard of it before and yet i'm not ready to bet those people are done asking again and again and again. Sorry, not just yet! Now why them?

How many lives can you wait anyway? A tad curious...

In any case the Liberals only promised they'd fix the program, not that they'd go as far as to kill it. M'well, sometimes they're ready to kill indeed, it just depends... But not that one item that gives them real power - at least not until next year. No, this year they may as well choose to use this original excuse to deceive us, once more: to extend their mercantile tentacles yes, most likely indeed, we may concur, euh... But what i'm actually waiting for is to see how it will be used to push forward the foundations of a nation-wide Cultural Genocide - e.g. substitution of an existing culture with a new self-serving one, designed to meet the agendas of selected politicians and their trusty a$$ociate "expert$", etc., whatever. Amen, alleluya!!

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The rest are doomed.

:?

Hummm... Maybe it's time to revisit Kirk Douglas in Ulysses. :\

...courts have come down on the side of the patients.

Except in the matters of taxation: it's not a "medecine" enough to terminate the "drug war" machine in Canada as i recall. It seems our political elite came to believe a majority of us are certainly gullible enough to accept some ellusive promise of a reform based on 5+ $/g (+taxes) as a child-proof safety shield; 'cause it's supposed to keep kids away they'all argue, yano!... On another hands it's serious enough to impose standards & rules that only reflect how much hot air some baffoons can muster with their twisted brains if job security is on the table: THEIR$.

Lets pinch ourselves!! Stop dreaming, wake up! The program will be revised all right but i've got to wonder what will come out of the Liberal's hat late this month!!!

Brace yourself and get prepared for a shock, simply put nothing short of a Trojan Horse i say. :|

As a patient, I intend on growing if allowed to, or to pass on my cultivation rights to a collective growing caregiver. ... We'll see in a few weeks what happens.

The only system that might gain my support would be one that makes plenty of room for future cooperative community associations so the offer also includes an alternative to the savage (socially-irresponsible and even "toxic") mercantile capitalist way. Don't expect respect nor help from the political class meanwhile, that won't be until 2017, or 2019 maybe... Or never, because our mere existances are a "threath" on planet Itnoc. Remember « What of those poor chidren! » ??! Dear angels yet to be born under an umbrella of misery because of a sinful addicted "stoner"... So lets KILL, in the name of anything that will fit in...

Too bad, medical or not it doesn't matter as it's still just the same substance in the hand of an innocent vulnerable kid with no enlighted guidance! So the ultimate solution is, you guessed it, euh... Poor thing! These days we have as much considertation from governement as wild dogs facing sterilization (if not extermination) and i don't hear or read anything to make REAL victims feel more secure in a sunny Canuck country of our infinitely enlighted Commonwealth. aHummm!...

If the sky doesn't fall when medical patients are allowed to grow, then why would that not be allowed recreationally?

Patients allowed to grow? Oh, maybe you get your treat but then what's your sandbox going to feel like?? I'll be eager to read your comments when you are ready to share them! It's not like we didn't use some fair amounts of patience before... I can stand the suspense no sweat, so to speak.

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
So the Canadian medical assc. (or the pimps of Oxycontin) want to tell you what to do.

"restrictions on the quantity and potency of the drug"

"Don't permit public smoking of pot due to the risk of secondhand smoke."

So my two big fears, no wax/shatter and no where to consume legally are both being encouraged by the health nazis. If low grade bud is all that is going to be legal I am not likely to ever step foot in a legal pot store. I saw a Marc emery interview the other day where he brought up a good point. The only people whose opinions matter are those who consume cannabis. Non tokers opinions simply don't matter. It doesn't effect you in any way. Wax and high quality edibles are dispensaries is the only thing I am going to accept.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cma-doctors-marijuana-legalization-guidelines-1.3751618
 
Salutations My3rdEye,

...the health nazis...

Canuck "drug" warriors from all horizons instinctively hide their own blatant socio-toxicity under the carpet of "Public Health", pretending to protect some youth and beyond, etc.

Their Victorian-age heritage thrives on a national scale while generations pass (including direct witness memories with it), much like nazi ideologies long after Hitler has died i would argue. So, these days the bigot anti-cannabic prohibition continues because, euh... M'well, just because. In comparison to a pioneer as Janey Canuck our self-serving political elite can now count on real-time global communications and a most cooperative information media - but then one has got to wonder: what have they done using the resources of a vast land like Canada exactly?...

:?

Today HOMICIDE over CANNABIS is the current level of permanent prejudice which nobody even cares to talk about seriously, starting with Ottawa's parliament while that's the type of work federal politicians are paid for. But which of them would even feel a need to get "dirty" defending "stoners"/"droÿés" to the full extent of what this actually implies when they're already overwhelmed/busy pushing on their own agendas?!!

...

Lucky them, all those who make a dime on it can still blame the dead quite conveniently, despite democratisation of the internet, and yet never have to look back at their own monster failures, because more power and knowledge should come assorted with more responsability - and it doesn't... Now imagine standing in public for a dark-skin French-speaking deceased guy "known by police" in Montréal/Québec, sending some political "message" for "competition" located far far away from the office of Bill G20 Blair in Toronto (busy eating donuts i'll bet!), etc...

Hummm... Go figure what sort of "science" can/will deceipher that!! Or give up all hopes. :|

So the Canadian medical assc. (or the pimps of Oxycontin) want to tell you what to do.

I vaguely recall from various readings that near 1870 in Montréal an association of pharmacists & apothecaries was created which eventually declared "Indian Hemp" as a "poison", this effectively became law in 1885 (refer to 1890 version). Then if i'm still correct yet another association was created a bit later, this time it was a Canadian group and then we got the national ban of 1923. They must have thought if it's good enough for Her Majesty's Menstrual Cramps then why not cease control in order to create new "wealth" (for private intere$ts) in the process?!... No voters would dare complain in a British Dominion anyway.

...

M'well, this is a part of Trudeau's Liberal roots, so if he had really wanted to perform as a progressist then he'd need to be in denial of his how political heritage, simply because it was Liberals who started this whole mess. In other words MiniPET/MiniHarper can't fix prohibition in ways that may confirm his party was dead wrong for a century.

Not to mention the People's Power was replaced by that of the United Nations, thanks to hypocrits. So i one wants to have a glimpse at what prohibitionists will do next then he may need to have a look at previous meetings where Society wasn't invited neither, this particular event for example:


Maybe it's little more than pure coïncidence but i noticed Québec's provincial bigot minister Lucie Charlebois wishes e-Cigs and Vaporizers to be considered equivalent to tobacco cigarettes, etc. Was this non-sense related in any way, somehow?... Maybe that's why i saw public-funded publicity a few months ago that seemed to pave the way to more bigotry in the future: the mere sight of a cloud entering or coming out of a mouth and/or nostrils in public should now fuel stigmatization, etc. Yet our "coherent" governments prefer to keep it legal so they can tax heavily, nonetheless... Etc.

..."restrictions on the quantity and potency of the drug"...

Those who want to tax the sins of others will abuse as much and as long as they're allowed to, no rocket science there as there are ZERO consequences for the numerous irresponsible/immature decisions taken behind closed doors on planet Itnoc anyway. That's all i can expect from our "elite"; it's like witnessing a sex offender complaining to the juge that his victim's behaviour may have called for even more involved abuse and he should have finished the work (to fix things for good), whatever: e.g. they'll never stop unless we force them to recognize deeply entrenched socio-toxicity that doesn't cause them any shame.

Under Trudeau we can finally observe such national scale craziness won't even echo on TV. Euh... Now it begins to sound like a truly shocking nightmare, doesn't it!?

8(

...no wax/shatter and no where to consume legally...

Forget consumer-supported dispensaries, even community-supported cooperatives won't fit the new landscape i figure.

:(

If clean needles save lives in Vancouver then why not socially-acceptable vaporizers knowing children emulate adult behaviours?

Not in the wildest dreams.

As a cannabis consumer seeking the best i'd reason that if we were to adopt better consumption methods then those teenagers who are already at risk today should also benefit, on the long run, while the only solution bigots have managed to put on the table so far boils down to total abstinence (and even possibly 7-10 day$ "rehab"...), of course, which sounds utterly unrealistic to me. Instead, i'd now expect that revolutionary ideas such as that may eventually lead to prison under Trudeau, soon. M'well, if they don't prefer to shoot 1st, just because bullies can...

Meanwhile they're in favour of a snail-mail distribution system built on public resources for the benefit of 30-some (out-of-Québec...) private investors who can afford professional lobbyists, etc., amen! Honestly, i won't be genuinely surprized the day robot-driven cars multiply on our streets, equipped with drones to deliver precious "mari-caca" merchandise at the door of a 4 th floor appartment... But not after the consumer's retina and fingerprints have been scanned, just to be safe... In the name of children.

Etc., etc.

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
Hopefully, everyone who is reading this has filled out the survey which closed on August 29th.

Also, don't know if anyone is following LP (licensed producer) news, but several LP's have announced plans to expand growing space by 600,000 sq ft. Obviously they expect to get in on the ground floor of recreational sales. Aphria and Aurora I believe. That kinda bothers me since several of the LP's have problems keeping medicine in stock. I don't want forthcoming legalization to hurt medical patients with availability issues.

Tom
 
Salutations Thomas Davie,

Hopefully, everyone who is reading this has filled out the survey which closed on August 29th.

Have a guess what i made of it.

...don't know if anyone is following LP (licensed producer) news...

Nothing to get excited about, too much noise from available channels anyway...

...they expect to get in on the ground floor of recreational sales.

Good for them, i just hope this doesn't result in more permanent prejudice, since the seats are empty when mishaps occur.

That kinda bothers me since several of the LP's have problems keeping medicine in stock. I don't want forthcoming legalization to hurt medical patients with availability issues.

Always a nice touch of humor to renew my sense of serenity with some loud laugh. Any chance we see non-psychoactive CBD sticks on the existing legal market any time soon? Any hints?? A year maybe?...

Good day, have fun!! =D
 
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