"You didn't feel any high from methadone either?"
No high whatsoever. The first time I took it, they made me stay on the premises for awhile to see how I reacted. Fifty mls, little plastic cup. Surprisingly sweet. After fifteen or so minutes, they asked if I was okay to get home. I told them it hadn't kicked in yet. They said it had. From the longest time, I was convinced it was just a placebo. It's only when I stopped suddenly that I realised it wasn't. Props to anyone who can quit cold turkey, because that shit sucks hard.
I suppose I've just got a bitch of a system. For example, it takes several shots at the dentist to numb me - last visit took seven full syringes, and even then I still felt twinges of pain almost straight away - and they have to space out appointments or I won't numb at all. Back when I was a more heady teenager (I'm a boring tee totaller these days) I'd stick to speed for my all nighters as coke would hardly touch me. I'm like the world's shittest superhero.
This was similar to my first experience with methadone. I took 50mg waited 20 minutes, no effect, took the other 50mg, waited 20 minutes, still nothing. Became convinced I was sold some watered down shit, and then made the bright decision to buy some xanax bars. about 1 hour and 30 minutes in, that 100mg dose hit me, and nearly killed me. The first dose of methadone always takes forever to take effect for some reason.
Also, my last experiences with methadone were surprisingly worthless. A little while before I got off heroin, I was admitted into a hospital (alta bates in oakland, great fucking place if your an addict, you'll usually get treated with dignity), they gave me 70mg of methadone so that I wouldn't leave (which I was threatening to do, even though I was basically dead and couldn't walk) because I started kicking tar so bad. What was weird was that in the past, a 70mg dosage would have had me feeling really good, at least back in the day when I was in NYC and doing ECP, but for some reason, 70mg barely
touched my withdrawals from the tar. I refuse to believe that it's because the dope I was doing was that great, as the bay area is notorious for its shit tar (but it was probably some of the best tar one could get in the bay), and am still curious why the methadone seemed so ineffective. I wonder if it's because tar is so crude compared to ECP and theirs more leftover alkaloids in the product that hit receptors that methadone might not? Weird experience.
Anyway, in regards to your thread, like others have said, the naloxone in suboxone is pretty much an inactive ingredient. I, and a lot of other people on this site have shot up suboxone while on maintenance with no problems concerning PW. Not only does buprenorphine have a higher binding affinity, but the Bupe/naloxone ratio is 4:1, so the naloxone really doesn't have a chance at competing. Some people are hyper sensitive to naloxone however, and find that suboxone will give them migraines whereas generic Buprenorphine SL tabs won't. I've honestly used both subutext and suboxone, IV, intranasal, sublingual, rectal (almost every roa known to mankind lol) and never noticed a remarkable difference in terms of effect. It's a common misconception that the naloxone in suboxone is what creates the blockade effect, whereas it is actually the Buprenorphine.
