Is empathy on MDMA similar to empathy on methamphetamine?

[JohnBoy2000]

Initial meth dose and you know that sensation of wanting to tell everyone how much you love them.

Is MDMA similar?

I ask cause, I hated that meth style empathy - it's pathetic.

 

[Zephyn]

No, meth is shallow and fake in that regard, its not empathogenic at all in my experience, can even have the opposite effect

 

[Pickledlemons]

I find them kind of similar, at least when you are still in the honeymoon phase with meth.

 

[Byzek]

In which universe is meth empathogenic?

 

[TripSitterNZ]

In which universe is meth empathogenic?

where its high quality and low dose.

 

[Byzek]

where its high quality and low dose.

I think its illusion that meth is empathogenic for you.
Meth heads have their own world its like speaking with a wall

 

[TripSitterNZ]

I think its illusion that meth is empathogenic for you.
Meth heads have their own world its like speaking with a wall

most meth heads will never ever get to try ultra pure dextromethaphetamine which is way different to the shitty racemic stuff

 

[negrogesic]

On occasion meth feels clearly empathogenic. This happens mostly at moderately high doses and if you haven't had it for a long time and have a fresh reserve of serotonin to release. The effect is pretty inconsistent and not reliably reproduced.

Some methamphetamine analogs are pretty powerful empathogens, for example 4-fluoro methamphetamine.

 

[Pickledlemons]

I think its illusion that meth is empathogenic for you.
Meth heads have their own world its like speaking with a wall

There's a pretty big difference between the effects of routine meth use and occasional use. With occasional use you do get a more empathetic effect. Is it an illusion? Maybe? Does it matter? how would you quantify that anyway? Aren't all the effects of drugs an illusion? As in they are a chemical causing an artificial emotional response. Those neurotransmitters are not meant to make you feel great for no reason.