Ok, so I'm honestly not worried about this, but my little brother was concerned about me so he asked me to ask the forum this question and I said I would.
I've been taking Klonopin for almost 20 years unfortunately (I'd like to get off it and I'm going to try at some point) and I take about 2.5mgs most days but my body is very tolerant to it most of the time I think because i have been on it for so long. I mean I sleep way more than I should (one reason I want to quit), but otherwise I function on it.
So every time i drink or use any drug I'm on klonopin, and when I drink to get drunk I usually like about 3-3.5 big glasses of red wine or if I'm having beer maybe like 8 beers over the course of an entire night.
I DON'T use phenibut FREQUENTLY, and I'm well aware of the dangers of dependency. I have never taken it more than twice in a single week, and when I do take it I usually like doses ranging between 2,500-3,200. I'd say my average dose these days is about 2,800mgs.
I'm 42, 5'7, 170lbs, strong build and in good shape and eat very healthy and practice intermittent fasting (not while drinking or using drugs) and work out a lot, relatively good tolerance for drinking, but I will say that of course when I get really drunk and hungover the next day my GABA rebound anxiety can get really bad due to the fact that I'm on Klonopin, and yes, it is in fact true that most times I drink while on Phenibut (and obviously also on Klonopin) I will feel like ABSOLUTE HELL the next day, often don't want to get out of bed, feel very tired and often quite anxious, but then the following day it's always over. It's just a much much worse hangover mixed with some nasty anxiety.
So, like, how dangerous REALLY is doing this in terms of it potentially being fatal, leading to respiratory depression or too low a heart rate, or to a lesser extent liver damage? Cause I have never felt myself get short of breath on the combo. The only time I ever got shallow breathing was taking too much Oxycodone and it's my personal belief that the risk of respiratory failure tends to be larger when combining GABA drugs with opioids than just different types of GABA drugs, but i could be wrong there.
Also, I only do this combination like maybe 15 times a year. It's hard to say how often, because I usually am sober and use naltrexone to keep myself away from too much drinking, kratom and phenibut, but when I decide I want to have fun I go off it and I'll do whatever I feel like, but usually months go by without me drinking or taking kratom, and sometimes YEARS go by without phenibut.
Also, is this likely to cause brain damage?
Obviously I know this is VERY unhealthy, so I'm not asking anyone to tell me it's not, but I'm just asking in terms of relatively speaking, if this kind of thing is really dangerous on-the-edge behavior where someone would say they'd be afraid I'd pass out and not wake up or get permanent brain damage or other kinds of damage if I do this like a handful of times a year.
I just want to be sure that the risk isn't too great. Like, I know phenibut is not a joke by ANY means, and I credit all the terrifying stories about phenibut WD as what have kept me from ever letting myself get addicted, and I've never exceeded 4,000mgs like they say on the tub, and that's not fun either. Anything higher than 3,200mgs is too sedating for me, and even that is usually more than I like.
But when i take phenibut for some reason it's really difficult to avoid drinking. Something about it makes me want to drink. So I just want to make sure that this isn't a combo like Oxycontin + Xanax or drinking large amounts of booze on Hydrocodone or something like that, that it's not PROBABLY something that will result in death or permanent organ/brain damage, just for the sake of my brother's comfort, but also for myself as well.
Thanks.
I've been taking Klonopin for almost 20 years unfortunately (I'd like to get off it and I'm going to try at some point) and I take about 2.5mgs most days but my body is very tolerant to it most of the time I think because i have been on it for so long. I mean I sleep way more than I should (one reason I want to quit), but otherwise I function on it.
So every time i drink or use any drug I'm on klonopin, and when I drink to get drunk I usually like about 3-3.5 big glasses of red wine or if I'm having beer maybe like 8 beers over the course of an entire night.
I DON'T use phenibut FREQUENTLY, and I'm well aware of the dangers of dependency. I have never taken it more than twice in a single week, and when I do take it I usually like doses ranging between 2,500-3,200. I'd say my average dose these days is about 2,800mgs.
I'm 42, 5'7, 170lbs, strong build and in good shape and eat very healthy and practice intermittent fasting (not while drinking or using drugs) and work out a lot, relatively good tolerance for drinking, but I will say that of course when I get really drunk and hungover the next day my GABA rebound anxiety can get really bad due to the fact that I'm on Klonopin, and yes, it is in fact true that most times I drink while on Phenibut (and obviously also on Klonopin) I will feel like ABSOLUTE HELL the next day, often don't want to get out of bed, feel very tired and often quite anxious, but then the following day it's always over. It's just a much much worse hangover mixed with some nasty anxiety.
So, like, how dangerous REALLY is doing this in terms of it potentially being fatal, leading to respiratory depression or too low a heart rate, or to a lesser extent liver damage? Cause I have never felt myself get short of breath on the combo. The only time I ever got shallow breathing was taking too much Oxycodone and it's my personal belief that the risk of respiratory failure tends to be larger when combining GABA drugs with opioids than just different types of GABA drugs, but i could be wrong there.
Also, I only do this combination like maybe 15 times a year. It's hard to say how often, because I usually am sober and use naltrexone to keep myself away from too much drinking, kratom and phenibut, but when I decide I want to have fun I go off it and I'll do whatever I feel like, but usually months go by without me drinking or taking kratom, and sometimes YEARS go by without phenibut.
Also, is this likely to cause brain damage?
Obviously I know this is VERY unhealthy, so I'm not asking anyone to tell me it's not, but I'm just asking in terms of relatively speaking, if this kind of thing is really dangerous on-the-edge behavior where someone would say they'd be afraid I'd pass out and not wake up or get permanent brain damage or other kinds of damage if I do this like a handful of times a year.
I just want to be sure that the risk isn't too great. Like, I know phenibut is not a joke by ANY means, and I credit all the terrifying stories about phenibut WD as what have kept me from ever letting myself get addicted, and I've never exceeded 4,000mgs like they say on the tub, and that's not fun either. Anything higher than 3,200mgs is too sedating for me, and even that is usually more than I like.
But when i take phenibut for some reason it's really difficult to avoid drinking. Something about it makes me want to drink. So I just want to make sure that this isn't a combo like Oxycontin + Xanax or drinking large amounts of booze on Hydrocodone or something like that, that it's not PROBABLY something that will result in death or permanent organ/brain damage, just for the sake of my brother's comfort, but also for myself as well.
Thanks.
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