Meth Injecting complication

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Hey guys I have a problem when trying ti inject. I can push the needle in slow, snd I make sure my needle is as parallel to the vein as possible but 9/10 times I will not get a successful register until I’m pulling back on the needle. But then it’s too late because it hurts way too bad to continue with the shot. I’m guessing this means I’m going through the vein. I don’t understand how considering I’m using short needles and making sure I’m at least 45 degrees before entering the vein. Does anyone have any advice on how not to do this?

 

[AlsoTapered]

Some people just have fewer accessible veins and they are painful when you miss. Mine are so bad that a phlebotomist asked me if I was an IV drug user. I'm not and I wasn't offended. Over the years it's taken on average 10 attempts to take a blood sample from me - average infers more. 21 in one episode.

But you have to admit, it's a bold opening gambit to a conversation.

 

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Yeah I definitely have weak veins. I just am confused why I can get a register but i can’t while going in the vein only while coming out. It sucks too because I normally have to poke myself at least 5-6 times simply because I can’t get a register until it’s already passed through the vein

 

[AlsoTapered]

With me, cannulas don't function. They can get them in alright, but when they attempt to flush with physiological saline, it's very painful and doesn't work.

One helpful junior doctor remarked that they could easily access the veins in my neck - the same one who failed 21 times. They have to learn, but frankly, I think I had already given them a fair shake.

My advice is to find another method of ingestion. If your veins are so difficult to access now that you end up harming yourself, you might end up seriously damaging yourself in short order. I've had friends who quickly ended up having to go into the femoral. Several are now dead. Not trying to frighten you, just saying I've seen the ugly stuff.

FYI their was just one doctor who was evidently a whizz at taking blood, placing cannulas and such. Nurses and other doctors would ask for his help. I carefully watched how he did it. he got the pin almost parallel to my skin and one second later it was done. Fast but accurate. Painless as well. But of course, he didn't have a barrel in the way.

Just go steady. You can always take more, but once you take it your choice in the matter is gone,

The only non-prescribed drug I consume is nicotine, but I felt until someone better qualified arrived, It was better to give you the little I know rather than leave you hanging.

Take care.

 

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With me, cannulas don't function. They can get them in alright, but when they attempt to flush with physiological saline, it's very painful and doesn't work.

One helpful junior doctor remarked that they could easily access the veins in my neck - the same one who failed 21 times. They have to learn, but frankly, I think I had already given them a fair shake.

My advice is to find another method of ingestion. If your veins are so difficult to access now that you end up harming yourself, you might end up seriously damaging yourself in short order. I've had friends who quickly ended up having to go into the femoral. Several are now dead. Not trying to frighten you, just saying I've seen the ugly stuff.

FYI their was just one doctor who was evidently a whizz at taking blood, placing cannulas and such. Nurses and other doctors would ask for his help. I carefully watched how he did it. he got the pin almost parallel to my skin and one second later it was done. Fast but accurate. Painless as well. But of course, he didn't have a barrel in the way.

Just go steady. You can always take more, but once you take it your choice in the matter is gone,

The only non-prescribed drug I consume is nicotine, but I felt until someone better qualified arrived, It was better to give you the little I know rather than leave you hanging.

Take care.

Thanks for the advice! I know I need to switch methods but I just feel like if I could properly learn how to do it then I wouldn’t have to poke myself multiple times. And so how are you saying the dr did it? Just really fast? I’ve heard that works because you won’t have a big of a chance for the vein to move. But also I’ve done this and just end up going through the vein every time. And trust me I’ve heard the horror stories of femoral/jugular injections and that’s the exact reason I stay away from those 2 places. I normally attempt my arm for a lot longer than I should (honestly my arms look terrible. Looks like I’ve been shooting for 5+ years when I’ve only started about 6-8 months ago)then switch to leg and thigh area and usually I can get a hit there. I will say I have 2 spots that I can hit pretty much every single time. But I try my hardest not to use it so often that they collapse so I try to save these as a last resort. Appreciate all the advice.

 

[LoveTractor]

A genuine 45 degrees is very often too steep even with a short needled rig. Try a lower angle, like 30 degrees up from the skin.

Two things I think of that could be going on - you may be going through the vein or “bottoming out” against the lower surface inside the vein, i.e. the surface of the vein and the needle tip are coming into contact and creating a vacuum by suctioning the interior of the vein into the hole at the end of the needle.

Also are you ensuring the hole in the needle is facing down (away from the skin and towards the interior of your arm) and remaining that way throughout the injection? This would seem to increase the chance of bottoming out, and it does a bit, but you will register better with it facing down.

See the guide below for the best info I know of on the subject of inserting, registering and finishing an injection, the tile is “Getting Off Right”:

Website: https://harmreduction.org/issues/safer-drug-use/injection-safety-manual/safer-injection-basics/

Downloadable PDF: https://www.docdroid.net/6YhEZuU/getting-off-right-pdf

 

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Yes I was mostly just saying 45 degree angle to ensure people I understand yiu aren’t supposed to go straight in. I prolly do even less of an angle than 30. Like it’s almost completely parallel to the vein when entering. And I’ve always been told bevel (hole in needle) is supposed to face up? Is it really true it’ll be an easier register with it facing down? Thanks for the links and advice! @LoveTractor

 

[LoveTractor]

You are correct, bevel up, it’s in the guide I linked above, which is why I should have just given the link rather than go off memory. Its been a few minutes since I’ve injected. With a rig in hand I’d get it proper but going from memory I flipped the script 180 degress. Thank you for cathcing that.

"Insert the needle into your vein with the needle bevel (opening) facing up, at a 15 to 35 degree angle, and always in the direction of the heart. T"

 

[somnilicious]

I used to have this problem as well until I stopped trying to come in parallel with the vein and instead enter a bit from the side at an angle. I don't know if it's proper technique but it was how I stopped going through the vein

 

[SpiralusSancti]

I’ve read it – injecting compilation – and thought this can’t be good lol

As for OP, think of it like having luck! And I mean it really. I.V. experience is something, but it isn’t worth the risk. When I get blood taken, often they have to try several times. On my hands veins are sometimes visible, or more like I can feel a few fat real good ones and ones on the fists are usually visible. And that’s a reason more to keep them only for a really special stuff on really special occasions. Like when I’ll have DMT of acceptable purity for I.V. Or maybe a vial o K or something.

I wouldn’t slam stuff just if I had “appropriate” veins but like this it’s even easier to skip that generally nasty ROA that just about any user who went that way will say to skip it. Idk it like that with meth but with H and coke graduating to I.V. from snorting is almost a guaranty for a disaster.

 

[AlsoTapered]

I would only consider injecting a drug that was formulated to be administered in such a manner, I know that in one trial used an infusion of DMT that allowed the duration of the experience to be extended.

Acute effects of intravenous DMT in a randomized placebo-controlled study in healthy participants - Translational Psychiatry

N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is distinct among classic serotonergic psychedelics because of its short-lasting effects when administered intravenously. Despite growing interest in the experimental and therapeutic use of intravenous DMT, data are lacking on its clinical pharmacology. We conducted...

www.nature.com

Interesting to note that acute tolerance is a major issue. You can keep increasing the plasma levels but the subjective effects didn't alter.

I've tried >99% pure DMT (stored under dry nitrogen) and I've tried 'Changa' and in my experience, either their wasn't enough DMT in the latter or whatever was added actually subtracted from the effects.

Given free access to DMT, I wouldn't bother with anything else. I bought some through a friend who worked at Kokopelli and his workmate leant over and noted 'Oh, hippy crack'. But 20+ years ago the mates-rates price was ƒ300/gram (£75/gram). But i knew who had produced it as well as where and how. No carcinogenic crud left in it. White needle-shaped crystals.

Anyone considering acquiring DMT needs to beware of people cutting it with 5MeO-DMT to increase profits.

 

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@LoveTractor yeah that’s exactly how I do it. It seems like my veins are just extremely close to the surface. Like it doesn’t register until I’m at the very very end of pulling the needle out. I only have 2 veins I can hit and I’m pretty sure one of them is permanently collapsed and I’m trying my hardest to give the other one a break.

@somnilicious can you please elaborate a little bit on what you mean go in at the side? Do you mean you’ll enter like right next to the vein or do you mean you come in and hit the vein like completely sideways? I’d love to know because I am so tired of literally poking myself 10 times just to register pretty much every time but it’s only after I’ve already went through the vein. And if anyone else has any advice or this has happened to you I’d love to hear it.

 

[somnilicious]

@LoveTractor yeah that’s exactly how I do it. It seems like my veins are just extremely close to the surface. Like it doesn’t register until I’m at the very very end of pulling the needle out. I only have 2 veins I can hit and I’m pretty sure one of them is permanently collapsed and I’m trying my hardest to give the other one a break.

@somnilicious can you please elaborate a little bit on what you mean go in at the side? Do you mean you’ll enter like right next to the vein or do you mean you come in and hit the vein like completely sideways? I’d love to know because I am so tired of literally poking myself 10 times just to register pretty much every time but it’s only after I’ve already went through the vein. And if anyone else has any advice or this has happened to you I’d love to hear it.

I wouldn't try to run straight down the vein but maybe cock the back end of the rig towards my torso so that I'm not only coming in at about 20 degrees on the vertical plane but also about 30 degrees or so on the horizontal. I don't know if that makes sense. Having a hard time explaining it. Neither straight nor completely sideways but closer to being straight.

Also just barely pierce and go into the vessel. Don't shove the whole needle in. Just the tip as they used to say back in highschool.

 

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Yeah I understand it’s not the easiest thing to explain to someone without actually being able to show them. I will try to do what you are saying. I think i understand what you mean. The puncture site is still at the vein but instead of gojng perfectly with the vein you slightly go in a little sideways. And yes I go in as slow as possible also already have the plunger pulled back some so I can see as soon as I hit the vein. Still doesn’t work for some reason. But I will definitely try your method. I appreciate it @LoveTractor

 

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Side note does anyone know if I inject absolutely perfectly (don’t miss, brand new needle every time, and mixing plenty of water with my shot) into just one vein woukf it still collapse over time? And how long do you think it could last?

 

[SpiralusSancti]

I would only consider injecting a drug that was formulated to be administered in such a manner, I know that in one trial used an infusion of DMT that allowed the duration of the experience to be extended.

Acute effects of intravenous DMT in a randomized placebo-controlled study in healthy participants - Translational Psychiatry

N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is distinct among classic serotonergic psychedelics because of its short-lasting effects when administered intravenously. Despite growing interest in the experimental and therapeutic use of intravenous DMT, data are lacking on its clinical pharmacology. We conducted...

www.nature.com

Interesting to note that acute tolerance is a major issue. You can keep increasing the plasma levels but the subjective effects didn't alter.

I've tried >99% pure DMT (stored under dry nitrogen) and I've tried 'Changa' and in my experience, either their wasn't enough DMT in the latter or whatever was added actually subtracted from the effects.

Given free access to DMT, I wouldn't bother with anything else. I bought some through a friend who worked at Kokopelli and his workmate leant over and noted 'Oh, hippy crack'. But 20+ years ago the mates-rates price was ƒ300/gram (£75/gram). But i knew who had produced it as well as where and how. No carcinogenic crud left in it. White needle-shaped crystals.

Anyone considering acquiring DMT needs to beware of people cutting it with 5MeO-DMT to increase profits.

I would not mess around with extracted DMT for I.V. use. Would bug me out even if >99% and with a use of micron filter but synthetic made DMT, given I know method used and purity is >99.5% and micron filter is used I don’t think it would be dangerous, or I’m wrong?

I smoked DMT quite a few times and I love it, been too long since last time tho. My favourite way of smoking it was packing big amount in pipe between 2 layers of tobacco and smoking it usually in 2 hits. I used to put up to 100 - 150mg as I found it’s a lot less waste than not experiencing breakthrough, ofc I wouldn’t manage to smoke it all and another strong dose would remain after I would smoke it, so I was really smoking “just” about needed 60mg needed for a breakthrough. While I used to weight out that exact amount, really smoking it all was a lot harder than smoking enough when packing a lot more. Also it would usually take 3 hits to smoke 60mg that way while when there was a lot more in the pipe often 2 hits were enough.

I smoked Changa only once and it was made good but person gifted it to me said it’s very potent and it’s 4 – 5 doses, but seen how little material it is I smoked ½ of it and got effects of maybe 20 - 30mg of pure DMT max, slightly different and slightly longer in duration.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Btw. I smoked 5-meo-DMT too, in fact went trough much of the I think 0.5g (or just 0.1 – 0.2 forgot) baggie I got in some past life. I was really careful when it came to other using it cuz I knew how much more dangerous it can be than DMT.

I’m pretty sure I never got DMT cut with it but I usually knew who was the honest extractor.

 

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Well guys just an update I tried every tip I was given and still nothing works. Is it possible that literally every vein in my arm besides the basilic are just too small ti hit without also going through the vein?

 

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I really would give anything if I could talk to a legit vein specialist and for them to explain what I’m doing wrong. It’s so annoying hitting the vein every single time, then having to pull the needle out and it just poors blood.

 

[Jen X]

Drink lots of water to keep your veins hydrated and moving around before trying. Water will help your veins and a little jumping around will get them a lil bigger from more blood being pumped.
Maybe it's a sign from the universe to not inject, not being judgey , i've done it but always felt like crap after because once you start injecting you're going down a dark path. Someone from my clinic lost an arm last year and he was only injecting for a few months. Unless it's a bottle from the pharmacy you don't really know what you're injecting. Use a wheel filter to be a lil more safe. i don't know where you live but alot of cities have needle exchanges and if not Bezo's company( dunno if amazon for filters is sourcing?) has wheel filters. i would highly suggest getting them, the high isn't worth causing loss of limbs and other health issues.
When i tried meth i smoked it and was high af so maybe that's a better ROA ?

Whatever you do please be safe. Street drugs and IV don't mix well