Hi! Ive been in severe pain for about 2 years now. Tramadol and lortab work amazing for me but nothing else really helps. I've been to 17 doctors in the last 6-9 months seeking help/answers but no one knows what is wrong with me which makes them uncomfortable to write me a prescription for pain meds. Im desperate, my pain gets so bad that it pushes me to the edge of suicide some night. Any suggestions on what types of doctors to go to? I would even be willing to travel to different countries if doctors would help me. I would go to the deep web but I'm honestly not smart enough to navigate it lol. I will take any suggestions even if they are unconventional, I have to find relief
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In lots of pain need help desperately
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Jabberwocky
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Travel to Europe, Austria, go on morphine bought on street for several months and then go to an addiction specialist. In Austria you can get morphine prescribed for maintenance.
"The number of European countries where SROM is available as an alternative to standard methadone maintenance treatment is increasing: Austria (1998), Slovakia (2005), Slovenia (2005), Bulgaria (2006) and Luxembourg (2006) . In France, where SROM can exceptionally be prescribed in the case of failure of methadone or buprenorphine previous maintenance treatment, the National Commission of Narcotics and Psychotropic Drugs failed to achieve a consensus decision about the use of SROM in OMT "
Link -> Slow-release oral morphine for opioid maintenance treatment: a systematic review
Switzerland is another good country in Europe for things like that, but if you want to stay in North America than Canada is a place to be. Alberta seems particularly good choice:
Slow-release oral morphine (SROM) for opioid use disorder treatment in Alberta
If you do not want to brake any law and would rather move to another country this are few good choices. @Nicomorphinist could give you better information from what I was able to conclude based on his posts.
"The number of European countries where SROM is available as an alternative to standard methadone maintenance treatment is increasing: Austria (1998), Slovakia (2005), Slovenia (2005), Bulgaria (2006) and Luxembourg (2006) . In France, where SROM can exceptionally be prescribed in the case of failure of methadone or buprenorphine previous maintenance treatment, the National Commission of Narcotics and Psychotropic Drugs failed to achieve a consensus decision about the use of SROM in OMT "
Link -> Slow-release oral morphine for opioid maintenance treatment: a systematic review
Switzerland is another good country in Europe for things like that, but if you want to stay in North America than Canada is a place to be. Alberta seems particularly good choice:
Slow-release oral morphine (SROM) for opioid use disorder treatment in Alberta
If you do not want to brake any law and would rather move to another country this are few good choices. @Nicomorphinist could give you better information from what I was able to conclude based on his posts.
Your forgetting the UK, we have totally free healthcare here and GP's consider using other opioids instead of the usual ones like bupe and methadone, however he probably wont be entitled to it cos he's not British. He'd have to gain British citizenship which would probably take years.
And theres no language barrier either lol.
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So, moving to other country, driving to other part of home country or braking the law? I would vote for number 2 and get in the car or plane. 
You lucky bastards!
You lucky bastards!
So, moving to other country, driving to other part of home country or braking the law? I would vote for number 2 and get in the car or plane.
You lucky bastards!
Well in theory its not actually free per se.. it's paid for through ur tax contributions in the same manner as how schools (education) are paid for and other public services like the Police and the Armed Forces and that. A percentage of ur taxes go to the NHS (National Health Service).
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I have no doubt that the situation will continue to get worse in the United States when physicians who run the "pain clinic" within a local hospital & clinics organisation are s comparing the fake opioid cri$i$ to the Nazis . . . well, putting aside all of the factual error in that, whatever psycho-sexual issues this doctor has to make him want to put other doctors and patients into cages, and how insulting it is to people who had to deal with the real Nazis, I would say that this bastard would be the Seyß-Inquart of this whole deal and that the leading people of the medical organisations there are the Vidkun Quislings . . . the rehab industry I would actually say is the munitions industry . . . The rôle of Dr Theodor Morrell would be maybe the person who invented Suboxone and knew it was going to be huge . . . The financial press people who swallow and regurgitate this line about cannabis fixing the opioid crisis are Dr Joseph Goebbels and the Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda. These ads for documentaries about the fake cri$i$ are the Volksempfänger . . . The rehab clinics themselves are like the brothels operated by SS . . . Suboxone and lofexidine are the inflatable woman they invented to stop an asymptotic spike of venereal diseases in the armed forces of the III. Reich which organised itself after the invasion of France . . . Pick your television doctor for Lord Haw-Haw and Ezra Pound . . .
The United Nations, Human Rights Watch and other non-governmental organisations have expressed concern about the human rights dimension of all this and I wonder what it would take for various countries around the world to grant chronic pain patients and their doctors and even pharmacists caught up in all this some kind of asylum.
I had the advantage of being treble citizen born in Austria who kept up with my general practitioner, other doctors, compounding apothekes and so on all this time. The doctors and others were able to direct me to German and Croatian-speaking colleagues in the US and Canada and others whom they personally knew to be effective for this because of going to medical school with them in various Central European, East European, and Near Eastern cities, as well as a few others otherwise being known for being compassionate pain doctors in the US, and they would regularly correspond about my case. So when the Communist shithead demon snake law enforcement wagon chasing lawyers and prosecutors and political people urged on by the racketeer and cult leader rehab clinic industry and shit started messing with my doctors and even the pharmacists in the US, I started thinking about not going back after the next time I came back to Europe and that is exactly what I did in the late summer of 2019..
I have been going to and fro at least twice a year for a very long time and used to get a little bit of satisfaction by bringing back with me 90 day fills of prescriptions for US CSA 1970 Schedule I narcotics such as nicomorphine, piritramide, dipipanone, and ketobemidone and going through customs & excise unmolested for the most part. On one occasion I arranged to take with me a phial of reagent grade smack and a bottle of pharmaceutical C-Jam for a series of laboratory experiments so as to officially be a heroin and Bolivian Marching Powder importer, . . . neeener neeener suck my dick and so on. It also helped that I could also be put on non-opioid medications which are helpful but not sold in the United States like nefopam, uncommon antihistamines, certain benzodiazepines, glutethimide and injectable oxycodone, which the compounders here mix with hyoscine and ephedrine to make the old miracle drug of the 1930s, Scophedal, which Merck stopped making in 1987, for the worst breakthrough pain.
I toyed with the idea of buying a large safe and steadily filling it with those 90-day personal use allowances and European OTC narcotics and so on and start bringing back benzodiazepines, meprobamate/carisoprodol, glutethimide, methylphenidate, and barbiturates along with other helpful things like tianeptine, Sexy Trihexy and the like to assemble a stash which would last for several years if I somehow were cut off my pain medication. That would have been nice since I could in the future have retaliated for being seriously hassled and cut off my chronic pain opioid agonist treatment drugs by selling parts of the stash at cost plus 10 per cent and use the profits to run a clandestine poppy farm and get a bakery delivery truck and paint it black and go around harvesting opium poppies which literally grow like weeds in at least part of all 50 states. But alas, it seems like these guttersnipe pervert terrorist arseholes will stop at nothing to make money and torment their fellow humans for whatever reason they have. It must give them a semi-permanent hard-on or tingling down south then things like what is being done to chronic pain people -- I can think of no other reason than that.
I would generally use my 90 day personal use supply of the relevant narcotics and other medications then rotate on to morphine and hydromorphone then start the cycle again: A rotation of morphine cubes or tablets, or after 1998 or so MS Contin/Vendal then Ketodur (ketobemidone) then Dilaudid/Hydromorph Contin/Hydal Retard (hydromorphone) then Palfium (dextromoramide) with six months on each worked very well, and further in the past there was a fifth part of the rotation which was Heptalgin (phenadoxone), Diconal (dipipanone), or Polamidone (levomethadone) and this would a lot of times occasion an opportunity to reduce the dose and the daily morphine equivalent. After the turn of this century it was eight months on morphine then ketobemidone then piritramide because of a manufacturing problem with Palfium. I had just started a new levorphanol part of the rotation when the price went up to $60-135 a tablet because of the "Pharmacy Bro" who did the same thing to cancer medications.
But now think of what is being done to pain patients and their doctors and everything else going on, and it looks like a horrible 36 column 3-D Sudoku of evil and how little the people making the mess on all sides seem to care about how it looks to the rest of the world, or who at home gets ground up in the wheels of their profiteering and propaganda efforts. I was hearing from various chronic pain people and allies and others about running in the next DFL primary for Governor or United States Senate to bring a lot of these issues to light . . . but then I just gave up.
Beyond the fact that vicious policies like making it illegal to maintain an addict as stipulated by the Harrison Narcotics Act 1914 are far from universal, as can be seen with the doctors in Canada using injectable hydromorphone to maintain some patients that it helps and so forth, the whole attitude of society and government in Austria and Switzerland in particular, to a great extent in Germany and the Scandinavian countries. The basis of the narcotic situation in Austria, Switzerland, and to varying extents elsewhere is the attitude of the medical profession and society that people have the right to manage their own central nervous system -- to the extent that the Österreichischer Verfassungsgerichtshof has ruled at least twice since 1920 that people have a right to take narcotics. Such an attitude has been the case in the German speaking countries in particular, I tend to think going back to Sertürner isolating morphine in 1804, and that is above and beyond the fact that the medical profession is generally willing to defend their autonomy against political and legal interference from people who almost to the last person are not medically trained, and almost by definition have nothing but ulterior motives for doing things like that.
The United Nations, Human Rights Watch and other non-governmental organisations have expressed concern about the human rights dimension of all this and I wonder what it would take for various countries around the world to grant chronic pain patients and their doctors and even pharmacists caught up in all this some kind of asylum.
I had the advantage of being treble citizen born in Austria who kept up with my general practitioner, other doctors, compounding apothekes and so on all this time. The doctors and others were able to direct me to German and Croatian-speaking colleagues in the US and Canada and others whom they personally knew to be effective for this because of going to medical school with them in various Central European, East European, and Near Eastern cities, as well as a few others otherwise being known for being compassionate pain doctors in the US, and they would regularly correspond about my case. So when the Communist shithead demon snake law enforcement wagon chasing lawyers and prosecutors and political people urged on by the racketeer and cult leader rehab clinic industry and shit started messing with my doctors and even the pharmacists in the US, I started thinking about not going back after the next time I came back to Europe and that is exactly what I did in the late summer of 2019..
I have been going to and fro at least twice a year for a very long time and used to get a little bit of satisfaction by bringing back with me 90 day fills of prescriptions for US CSA 1970 Schedule I narcotics such as nicomorphine, piritramide, dipipanone, and ketobemidone and going through customs & excise unmolested for the most part. On one occasion I arranged to take with me a phial of reagent grade smack and a bottle of pharmaceutical C-Jam for a series of laboratory experiments so as to officially be a heroin and Bolivian Marching Powder importer, . . . neeener neeener suck my dick and so on. It also helped that I could also be put on non-opioid medications which are helpful but not sold in the United States like nefopam, uncommon antihistamines, certain benzodiazepines, glutethimide and injectable oxycodone, which the compounders here mix with hyoscine and ephedrine to make the old miracle drug of the 1930s, Scophedal, which Merck stopped making in 1987, for the worst breakthrough pain.
I toyed with the idea of buying a large safe and steadily filling it with those 90-day personal use allowances and European OTC narcotics and so on and start bringing back benzodiazepines, meprobamate/carisoprodol, glutethimide, methylphenidate, and barbiturates along with other helpful things like tianeptine, Sexy Trihexy and the like to assemble a stash which would last for several years if I somehow were cut off my pain medication. That would have been nice since I could in the future have retaliated for being seriously hassled and cut off my chronic pain opioid agonist treatment drugs by selling parts of the stash at cost plus 10 per cent and use the profits to run a clandestine poppy farm and get a bakery delivery truck and paint it black and go around harvesting opium poppies which literally grow like weeds in at least part of all 50 states. But alas, it seems like these guttersnipe pervert terrorist arseholes will stop at nothing to make money and torment their fellow humans for whatever reason they have. It must give them a semi-permanent hard-on or tingling down south then things like what is being done to chronic pain people -- I can think of no other reason than that.
I would generally use my 90 day personal use supply of the relevant narcotics and other medications then rotate on to morphine and hydromorphone then start the cycle again: A rotation of morphine cubes or tablets, or after 1998 or so MS Contin/Vendal then Ketodur (ketobemidone) then Dilaudid/Hydromorph Contin/Hydal Retard (hydromorphone) then Palfium (dextromoramide) with six months on each worked very well, and further in the past there was a fifth part of the rotation which was Heptalgin (phenadoxone), Diconal (dipipanone), or Polamidone (levomethadone) and this would a lot of times occasion an opportunity to reduce the dose and the daily morphine equivalent. After the turn of this century it was eight months on morphine then ketobemidone then piritramide because of a manufacturing problem with Palfium. I had just started a new levorphanol part of the rotation when the price went up to $60-135 a tablet because of the "Pharmacy Bro" who did the same thing to cancer medications.
But now think of what is being done to pain patients and their doctors and everything else going on, and it looks like a horrible 36 column 3-D Sudoku of evil and how little the people making the mess on all sides seem to care about how it looks to the rest of the world, or who at home gets ground up in the wheels of their profiteering and propaganda efforts. I was hearing from various chronic pain people and allies and others about running in the next DFL primary for Governor or United States Senate to bring a lot of these issues to light . . . but then I just gave up.
Beyond the fact that vicious policies like making it illegal to maintain an addict as stipulated by the Harrison Narcotics Act 1914 are far from universal, as can be seen with the doctors in Canada using injectable hydromorphone to maintain some patients that it helps and so forth, the whole attitude of society and government in Austria and Switzerland in particular, to a great extent in Germany and the Scandinavian countries. The basis of the narcotic situation in Austria, Switzerland, and to varying extents elsewhere is the attitude of the medical profession and society that people have the right to manage their own central nervous system -- to the extent that the Österreichischer Verfassungsgerichtshof has ruled at least twice since 1920 that people have a right to take narcotics. Such an attitude has been the case in the German speaking countries in particular, I tend to think going back to Sertürner isolating morphine in 1804, and that is above and beyond the fact that the medical profession is generally willing to defend their autonomy against political and legal interference from people who almost to the last person are not medically trained, and almost by definition have nothing but ulterior motives for doing things like that.
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Try a sleep specialist/ headache specialist/ neurologist all in one.
I have lived in horrific pain for years and years. I went to dozens of doctors but to no avail. They just looked at me with their eyes wide, mouths hanging open and I could tell they were thinking “ wow, you are really fucked up but I have no idea what to do.”
I was at the end of my rope and was looking for assisted suicide places.
I decided to give it one more try and found this award winning sleep/headache/neurologist and he knew exactly what was wrong with me! He spent two hours talking to me.
I have been diagnosed with narcolepsy. You would not believe how many problems come with a sleep disorder. Or you might.
This specialist told me that doctors, even specialists like neurologist get zero training in sleep!
Give that a try! I wish you the best of luck. Don’t give up! Keep searching for the answer!
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