Before anyone questions Cowboy's source i would like to reiterate that these chemists synthesise everything from meth, MDMA, 2-CB to more obscure ones like 2-CT-7.
For these guys 4-MAR, both for chemical availability and skill purposes, is an absolute walk in the park.(it does look complicated below, but with the proper starting material, PPA, its extremely easy)
Hence i would be inclined to believe the above before discounting it.
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Temporary_nick: i have done this before but for a few reasons i am going to do it again:
Amphetamine (this is regular amphetamine - this is the structure that forms the base of ALL amphetamines whether meth, MDA, MDMA, PMA etc)
Methamphetamine (also known as meth, methylamphetamine etc):
4-methylaminorex
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To classify an amine you examine the nitrogen (=N) area of the molecule. Count the number of lines coming OFF the N (not the Hs).
One = primary amine
Two = secondary amine
Three = tertiary amine
Amphetamine has ONE line - hence it is a primary amine and will react:
Robadope = salmon
Simons = colourless
Marquis = orange
Meth has TWO lines - hence it is secondary amine and will react:
Robadope = colourless
Simons = blue
Marquis = orange
4-MAR: look at this - firstly it is NOTHING like the other two is it - it is NOT an amphetamine!
Additionally there are TWO nitrogens (N) i.e: 2 amine groups.
Consider the one on the far right: that is primary and will react as a primary amine should.
But the other one if you count the lines has 3 - it is technically TERTIARY - this is where the big mystery comes in - how does Simons react with tertiarys? i have no idea.
There is also a possibility that it will become a secondary amine once it is acidified into a salt (this is its crystal/ice form)- one of those double lines will disappear and u will see a H instead.
But u will notice the N is in a big ring, (unlike the N in meth), and its arguable even if it is secondary in its ice form, it may not react the same.
So for 4-MAR you have:
Robadope: salmon
Simons: POSSIBLY blue; otherwise colourless
Marquis: ALMOST CERTAINLY COLOURLESS; at the very least not orange as per amphetamine/methamphetamine.
Hope that helps - may i congratulate you on using the Xtreme tester on your substance. (thats Meth= 1 ; 4-MAR= 0)
In fact i encourage you to test any stimulant/speed-type substance coming your way, that may be different from a previous sample - imo the Xtreme tester can DEFINITIVELY (as far as testers go at least) tell you if your substance is amphetamine, methamphetamine, 4-MAR or none of these.
And we here at Bluelight would very much appreciate the results.
And finally i ask everyone to look at the TITLE of this thread...
"ICE" - METH, 4-MAR - IDENTIFYING CHARACTERISTICS"
Have a think about that then look at my molecular diagrams...those pictures are the ONLY identifying characteristics separating these two molecules - and the most powerful microscope in the world cannot see them.
We use laboratory equipment or in this case chemical reagents to see them FOR us. They see them, and then they communicate to us those molecular structures via signals (lab equipment) or colours (chemical testers) - and it is only from those that we know what the substance is.
This is why a sample of "opaque, ice-like rock", no matter how long we look at it for, or what we think it does to us, is just NOT good enough, when answering the question of what you might be holding.
Because of this, any conclusions reached this way are USELESS at answering the topic of this thread.
