I did LSD - How Do I deal With the Changes....?

[OswaldThompson]

Hi Everyone,

About five months ago, I took about 600ug of LSD, which has been verified as LSD.

Five months ago, I was a far right-wing Republican and Roman Catholic.

Now.

I am strongly a strongly liberal Democrat and atheist.

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As you can imagine, my entire life has changed radically. Everyone I know just attributes it to me "growing up" - but I seriously suspect that LSD is responsible. I had previously done powerful doses of DMT but that just showed me the beauty in nature and did not give me a radical perspective shift. I feel like a protective blanket has been lifted off of me and I can see things as they really are, everything, nothing filtered out. I also feel really dislocated from my body, as though my consciousness is located a slight distance away from my physical body and able to wryly watch what my 'stupid body' is doing.

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My question: is this a normal thing when one does LSD? I would really appreciate the help of anyone who has any comments. I am, and have been feeling for the past months, very disoriented. I do not feel like myself, and instead, I feel like I am am observing the blob of flesh that people call DDDDD (my name) live its life. It is extremely weird. I do not feel the Steve Jobs 'most important experience of my life' feeling, that he had claimed he had from LSD, but I feel very liberated in that I feel that I can see things extremely differently from people who have not used LSD.

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Is this normal? DMT, there is no way to describe what I felt on it, though it really made me aware of nature and 'Mother Earth.' LSD... basically changed my life. In some strange way. I just don't know what it change exactly (except for the fact that it changed my entire life). Is this a common circumstance??

 

[Clocktower]

It is normal for people to grow and change after taking LSD (especially in such LARGE doses as 600 mcg!). In fact, LSD's capacity to incite personal reflection, reevaluation, and growth is the very reason why some people take it. The feelings you're having sound to me like fairly natural consequences of an LSD trip (and a heavy one at that.) Do your feelings of disorientation seem as strong now as they were right after your trip? You can expect to become more comfortable with and accustomed to your new sense of self as time passes, but you may never again feel exactly how you did before.

Furthermore, there are some who might argue that conservative philosophies are ESPECIALLY susceptible to being changed by an LSD experience.

 

[OswaldThompson]

It is normal for people to grow and change after taking LSD (especially in such LARGE doses as 600 mcg!). In fact, LSD's capacity to incite personal reflection, reevaluation, and growth is the very reason why some people take it. The feelings you're having sound to me like fairly natural consequences of an LSD trip (and a heavy one at that.) Do your feelings of disorientation seem as strong now as they were right after your trip? You can expect to become more comfortable with and accustomed to your new sense of self as time passes, but you may never again feel exactly how you did before.

Furthermore, there are some who might argue that conservative philosophies are ESPECIALLY susceptible to being changed by an LSD experience.

You are correct, my feelings of disorientation are markedly different from how they were during (or briefly after) my LSD trip. I would never go back and undo what I have done, which to a certain extent seems to imply I really accept and appreciate the LSD trip that I experienced, but in actuality, it is just that once I have experienced such a mind-blowing experience, I could NEVER go back. It's hard to explain... guess you're right and this is exactly why people take it; that is why *I* took it. I just did not expect to find what I found. Not at all........

I hope you're true.... I hope the conservative philosophies are susceptible to being changed by the LSD experience.... I feel very very very very very very very different from how I WAS. I know that back when I believed what I believed that I firmly believed it. It is just that now I could never believe what I once believed.... I just hope that you're right I just still feel very disoriented...

 

[LSDMADMAN414]

I would like to know what caused the shift. Was it something you saw, a part of the experience itself that opened your eyes? You said that it allowed you to now see that your just a blob a flesh [ddddd] name ect ect... what were u before? did you not see that? Because, from a psychologist point of view I'd say that's a new form of consciousness, which myself was born with this point of view, atheist not really believing in anything or grounding myself to any side such as politics go. Although I'd say love and peace, hate and war is pretty entertaining. But back to your trip. I've always wanted to take that much lsd at once, took 2 hits 120uq each of lsd and 1 tab of 25i 120uq and about 6 3.5g shroom trips which all weren't too earth shattering or world point of differentiates from what you've experience.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

How do you know you had 600ug of LSD? What was the experience like for you?

I would not say that the LSD changed you.

It's more that you are learning about new perspectives and/or philosophies and just want to experience or believe in the other extremes of what you once did.

Also, how old are you? People go through a lot of changes throughout their lifetime(s). I've been everything from Christian, Buddhist/Hindu, Taoist, through Atheist/Agonostic, Socialist, and following both major parties in the United States but now I'm just very spiritual, and an Anarchist or pretty Apolitical in some ways when it comes to politics in the United States as both parties here are the same and have been for decades.

 

[donvliet]

I know that back when I believed what I believed that I firmly believed it. It is just that now I could never believe what I once believed....

One of the most profound insights LSD and other powerful psychedelics can produce is to experience first hand how subjective your view of reality actually is. By experiencing first hand how deep the convictions were that you had about reality, and how they were nothing more than just convictions, you become aware of the relativity of your perception of all of reality. This is a major insight IMO, but not an easy one to live with surrounded by a society that views their perception of reality as an absolute.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Others have given good input. I'll just say that destroying your ego and false beliefs about the nature of reality is the entire point of using LSD. You can't un-see what you saw, but what you saw and experienced sounds like what most all people experience on LSD. I grew up Roman Catholic too, but life experiences quickly turned me athiest and I dropped religion before I was even 16 and was still years away from drug use. But, LSD made me an agnostic. For me it was a spiritual experience, showing me the wonders of nature and the universe, and the mind blowing experience gave me the belief that everything is interconnected. If God does exist, then we are a part of him, try looking at it that way. Life's purpose will always be a mystery to us all (those that are like "Oh God gives me purpose" are just burying their heads in the ground like you once had).

The destruction of your conservative beliefs and presumptions about the nature of the universe were an inevitability on a high dose of LSD. If everyone who was ultra conservative and hateful had a high dose LSD experience, we might actually see peace and cooperation between all peoples. I saw a quote from a rabbi once that said (in reference to LSD), "When people began turning away from God and to the medicine cabinet, God decided to put himself in the medicine cabinet."

The questions that you've been asking yourself since that trip are questions all people should ask themselves, but most don't out of the fear that their world view could be entirely wrong and skewed. It's understandable to feel that fear, but by pushing past that, we as humans can evolve past our normal levels of consciousness, and truly become a part of the universe and not just individuals working towards our own hedonistic ideals.

It seems to me that you learned a lot from your experience, and truly became a better person because of it. I hope that you can learn to see it that way, as many others before and after you have and will.

In a lot of ways, dropping LSD is much like Neo's experience of leaving the Matrix in the "The Matrix"; his entire reality is shattered, but through his learning of the true nature of the world, he was able to transcend the mundane existence that those still in the Matrix couldn't get past.

"What is real, Neo?"

P.S. While you'll never forget your LSD trip and all that you learned, the shock of it will indeed wear off after time. It's been almost two years since my last mind-expanding trip, and I can say that I have returned to a more normalized life where I care about material things and such. Sure, I'll never believe in some monotheistic mumbo-jumbo again, or never think that my view is the only view kinda thing, but it's much less jarring after enough time passes. You'll feel better soon enough. Use what you learned to become the best person you can be!

P.S.S. I'm happy for you! LSD isn't something everyone gets to try, and the knowledge you received is something not many people get to know. Oh and sorry for the long reply. If you can't tell, I firmly believe in the power of LSD. If there is a God or cosmic guidance to the universe, it definitely put LSD here on Earth to enlighten mankind and help it to become one with the rest of the universe.

 

[Xorkoth]

If you ask me, Roman Catholicism is a spiritual trap used for social control, so I hope you find it in yourself to see this as a blessing. Now you're free to develop whatever beliefs you wish, as people should be able to do.

Basically the LSD removed you from yourself enough to show you the universe beyond your set of ingrained beliefs, and now that you've seen it you can't just forget it. It's an opportunity for you to learn and grow and become who you really are. The process can be intensely disorienting, especially if you don't have anyone to share it with. But you always have Bluelight. That's how I dealt with it. Talking with like-minded people about the things no one else in my life would understand.

 

[Black]

My question: is this a normal thing when one does LSD? I would really appreciate the help of anyone who has any comments. I am, and have been feeling for the past months, very disoriented. I do not feel like myself, and instead, I feel like I am am observing the blob of flesh that people call DDDDD (my name) live its life. It is extremely weird. I do not feel the Steve Jobs 'most important experience of my life' feeling, that he had claimed he had from LSD, but I feel very liberated in that I feel that I can see things extremely differently from people who have not used LSD.

getting shown things in a radically different perspective, having realisations that change your views in the days/weeks following an intense trip? yep, perfectly normal.
feeling alienated by people who have never tripped for some time is also pretty common after your first trip.
but i can only imagine that it's much more dramatic when you come from a right-wing conservative background instead of a hippie background
i started out as an anarchist and atheist and i'm an anarchist and atheist now, but due to experiences with lsd, i was a buddhist somwhere in between.

the feeling of being disconnected from your body can happen after really intense trip and this ime lasts until you have properly integrated your experience. so given some time you will feel "normal" again.
but what ime definitely stays with you are your realizations (if they stand the test of a sober mind in the days following the trip) and an ability to access the enhanced aestetic appreciation (nature, music, ...) and the capability for more abstract and associative thinking that lsd teaches you.
in the beginning you could sometimes zone out to good music when you're not supposed to, but with some time using those things only to your advantage comes naturally.

i guess the point here is that normally people don't start out with huge doses like that (and also don't come from a very right wing conservative point of view), so it all comes slowly and gradually (and fades a bit between trips), but you jumped in and it's a bit much at once

 

[perpetualdawn]

This is really interesting, and I can't help but think .. this is exactly why LSD is so good for the world. It's a good reminder of the potential for human change that LSD presents. I guess that's why they banned LSD in the old days, when all the kids were "turning on".

 

[Dresden]

LSD always made me more spiritual / closer to God, not less. My advice is to take more LSD, but no more than 300 ug at the most per session. I have a feeling that LSD has more in store for you as far as learning and teaching. 600 ug is too much for most people at once.

 

[Give_me_some_pants]

Roll with it brother. Typically LSD changes you for the better. People can usually tell when someone has done LSD, it's like an instant brotherhood when you meet someone else who has. Welcome to the club friend.

 

[Xorkoth]

When I first did mushrooms, I had an intense departure from organized religion as well, and I labeled myself atheist. It was only after time and reflection that I decided the term "atheist" suggests to me a lack of spirituality at all, and was not accurate for me. I was reacting against Christianity so I picked the opposite term, yet in reality mushrooms were what showed me true, individual, personal spirituality. They increased my spiritual life very greatly over what I got from organized religion, and put responsibility for that solely into my own hands (where it should be).

Psychedelics change your viewpoint to the point where you question everything you have ingrained in you or once thought you knew. This is an incredibly healthy thing, because one should always strive to remain open-minded and free of dogma.

 

[rolllinlikeroyce]

When I first did mushrooms, I had an intense departure from organized religion as well, and I labeled myself atheist. It was only after time and reflection that I decided the term "atheist" suggests to me a lack of spirituality at all, and was not accurate for me.

This is what has happened to me after years of psychedelic usage. I was very religious when I was younger, just because my parents were heavily religious as well. If any drug made me an atheist, it would have to be cannabis. It was only after a certain few experiences on mushrooms, DOB, and LSD that I found my spirituality again (in a much different sense). Obviously, spirituality and religion are two very different things--plenty of people are religious but lack spirituality.

I agree with Xorkoth that it is indeed a healthy thing. Being able to think for yourself and make your own assumptions about life, the universe, etc. is important, IMO. Base your beliefs on your own views and things you've experienced yourself. Don't settle for someone else's idea of the way life is/should be. I also believe this is why the government is so afraid of people using psychedelics. As Xork said, "Psychedelics change your viewpoint to the point where you question everything you have ingrained in you or once thought you knew." Big emphasis on everything.

 

[pmoseman]

Hi LSD,
I am, and have been feeling for the past months, very disoriented. ...I feel very liberated in that I feel that I can see things extremely differently from people who have not used LSD.

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Everyone I know just attributes it to me "growing up" - but I seriously suspect that LSD is responsible. I had previously done powerful doses of DMT but that just showed me the beauty in nature and did not give me a radical perspective shift. I feel like a protective blanket has been lifted off of me and I can see things as they really are, everything, nothing filtered out. I also feel really dislocated from my body...

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Is this normal?

Even if this is exactly how I felt after tripping I would stay open minded. There is no serious division between the people that have used acid and those who haven't. Your thinking might be changed by the drug (concrete to more abstract or ducks in a row to ducks in a pond) but you probably are also maturing, most things are all mixed half-truths like that. Nothing is definite.

Beliefs can shape who we are in profound ways. You are probably having an easier time believing things than before? Is your memory still good?

 

[psy997]

You need to find your own personal meaning and place in the world. I highly recommend reading some spiritual texts and "self-help" books that err on the spiritual side.

Personally, the books that have contributed the greatest to my own sense of meaning and beliefs are as follows:

A New Earth - Eckhart Tolle
The Celestine Prophecy - James Redfield
Siddhartha - Herman Hesse

I'm not too far on my spiritual journey, these are kind of basics in terms of what I'm talking about, but they will help immensely with your profoundly different worldview and perception.

 

[Mudshark]

Psychedelics , esp acid , help you to see through all the superficial bullshit , and will show you different insights and perspectives ...
[ acid is truth ]

pleased to read that attitudes changed for the better ....

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

The main issue I find is that I get frustrated with how linear thinking and closed minded the general population is, almost like they are existing as robots or cogs in some crazy system like an ant colony. Few people ever stop and ask deep, profound questions into the nature of their existence. The "self" that most people are in tune with is a superficial set of imaginary beliefs about themselves where denial is rampant. For example people will identify with their job, the music they listen to, their personality traits and their name and their role in the social realm that other humans have assigned to them. They will choose how to dress in order to project an imaginary image of themselves onto other humans when they are seen by others. All of this is bullshit... if only people would see it. Most people are highly self centred and they are obsessed with competing against other humans to prove that they are more skillful in various imaginary constructs. Presently I do not have a competitive bone in my body although I used to. I could give a fuck less about how I compare to other humans now.

If you tell them, "hey man, did you know that you are a manifestation of the infinite universe experiencing itself?" they will be like yo you should see a doctor about that. Most people don't give a flying fuck about questioning their existence. To them, what is "real" is the illusionary realm of worldly existence as a human - cars, other material possessions, bank accounts, jobs, other forms of status symbols, sex is a big one that everyone is crazy about but it's just a biological mechanism to get us to reproduce that people go nuts for. During the course of a day, I don't even want to think about the sheer amount of time wasted overall of the human race that is spent watching porn. That stuff fuckin disgusts me now.

Of course everything I am saying is also bullshit. There is no enlightenment, or people who are more advanced than other people. There is only consciousness and energy that is misinterpreted by the human race as a whole which has lead to an increase in suffering and in the world. I do not stand by my words as words are always 100% bullshit, everyone is full of shit but act all confident like they have it figured out... there isn't anyone in the world who can fully understand the mysterious workings of the universe and if you think you do then you will stop seeking and learning and I believe that would be a form of narcissism. And if you did in fact understand everything then you wouldn't come out and say it like that.

That's the main issue I've had to confront with being semi-enlightened from doing these drugs, how I am so disconnected from the typical human being now - although it wasn't just the acid. It was moreso a lot of mushrooms and a shit ton of weed for me. My common man is like an alien though. But I can't tell you how I would have progressed without the drugs. Perhaps they were completely unnecessary and this is just the way that I would have progressed anyway, as I have always been one to ask questions. I have also studied physics intensely and I have a strong interest in science. I would be careful in attributing anything at all to these experiences with tripping out. Just trip out and keep going along your way. I do think there is a correlation between tripping and people who have broken out of their shells. I know many people who tripped a lot, and they are just the same as they always were though. No insights, nothing, just fantastic wild crazy times and that's ok too. It's requisite to have a personal interest in seeking higher states of awareness or you won't getting anywhere. Various forms of suffering can also help, as they are blessings in disguise at times.

People always like to talk shit about pointless stuff just for the sake of being uncomfortable with silence. But silence is golden. People are uncomfortable around others so they fill what should be a beautiful Void with annoying conversations about nonsense. And I find that a lot of people really are not genuine and they are putting on a show, like they are actors while hiding their true feelings. I think this is a retarded bunch of crap, be honest with yourself! Also, another thing I despise is alcohol - I think it is polluting mankind and in general I consider it to be poison filth. It seems that everyone abuses it without even being aware that it's a hard drug. But these are just my ramblings and rants at this point and I'm another human who is full of shit like everyone else so I will stop now.

I understand that I have issues of my own to work out - pretty darn big ones. I also understand that at this point, I am no longer a conventional human being. But I am no misanthrope and I really want to contribute to the greater good with my life, and help other people find their way. I feel like I'm on a good path now, I was very lost and set off course for a while. Oh, right - the ranting thing I do. Still doing it. Ok now I am going.

Peace

 

[LuxEtVeritas]

Selfish Sociopathic Systems are intrinsically self-centered/selfish manifestations, a desire to dominate and control by any means, through corruption within it is the corrupt Ego, most fully expressed on the spectrum as that characterized by the traits of sociopathy. Control as well is intrinsically a 'closed' system, to box and cage. It is a the greedy feeder, to prey and to feed/consume at all costs.

Movement toward an Enlightened State is the opposite. Destruction of Ego (within the context of self/selfishness), a directedness Openness toward humanity and Other-centeredness. Enlightened State/Enlightenment is the selfless giver, the total nurture, the server of Love/Humanity/'Obligation'(other-centered).

It's all very simple, at the core of it all. You have become to a high degree Enlightened. Welcome!

 

[Xorkoth]

Interesting post rave, I agree with a lot of it. I especially get sad when people suggest you're mentally ill for believing in something beyond worldly matters. Unless of course it's the Abrahamic God nonsense. Which just seems utterly crazy to me. But oh well, gotta let people be who they are and just try to set a good example.