How to avoid relying on benzos to ease LSD trip?

[teamyx]

Long story, lots of details I apologize.


A bit of background, avid shroom user (+20 times) and have only done LSD 3 times. First time with LSD was with best friend. No complaints and amazing experience.


2nd and 3rd LSD doses were alone. Both times, around the 2 wave of peak (and probably bc I smoked weed stupidly), I got into the deep level of the trip where I was not in control anymore. e.g. couldnt ride a bike, bc there no more bike, it was just my subconscious zooming along sidewalk. Cant hold conversations. Supreme deep analytical thoughts etc


Both times, I got severe anxiety and paranoia that this deep stage of the trip would never end, even by 8-12th hour. Just filled with bad thought loops as I went through the insane time dilation. eg of my thoughts:


"you're fine man, it will end in a few hours, you'll be good try to enjoy this.... but what if it doesn't end?.... it will end man, your buddy who gave u the tabs came back to reality too... but what if it doesn't for me, what if im special case... how am I going to be able to disappear for +12 hours from family to sober up... what if im still tripping after 12 hours.... how will i explain my disappearance" you guys get the point.

I have come to a few conclusions:
a) both times the freakout started to happen was when I made plans during the trip to meet ppl, when i was still in control. then when comes time to leave to go meet ppl, I realize i am still way too fucked. and then the bad thought loops begin about "well shit, i can wait it out, but for how long, damn, these last 5 min felt like forever, im just getting more and more tripped out... relax, fuk the plans, just focus on being sober soon... im not sober still high... "


b) the idea that i have to reach out to my wife at some point during the night, via by phone call. Even though i always set out 12 hours of free time, when I get to that deep level of trippyness where i am not in control, I start to panic..."fuck im too fucked, cant even remember things, she will know I am high... but its only hour 5... you are good don't worry, still lots of time... what if it lasts past 12 hours... or if i avoid her calls and disappear to sober up, thats an option... but for how many hours more.... damn 5 minutes only gone by and im mad worried ill be forever gone.... etc".


Conclusions: Both times I took benzos around the 5 hour mark and hate myself for it. Feel like I cant do lsd anymore even though i love it. I just feel the high and time lapse is just so insanely long and intense.


I am worried that next time, even if i set out like 18 hours to myself (not just like 12 hrs), and make sure I absolutely have nothing to do not even call my wife for 18 hours. I still fear that these bad thought loops will come back despite knowing in my head i have ample time to come down, it will just make me go crazier thinking about time passing to sober up.


Any thoughts guys and girls?
Maybe only trip with friends, or just set out way more alone time to ensure comedown period (or does that create more time to go paranoid)?

 

[Clocktower]

Lower the dose, don't smoke weed.

 

[Innerpeace]

agreed use a reasonable dose and if its too much lower it

 

[dickriculous]

I find a little phenibut before I dose can help take the edge off and generally leads to a more positive trip. Too much and you'll severely blunt the LSD, but ~300-500mg is a good balance IMO.

Also, don't smoke weed. That almost always puts me in a bad place. Sure, it intensifies the psychedelia, but for some people (like myself and it sounds like you as well) it can really produce tons of negative thoughts compared to the usual positivity I feel on LSD.

I don't smoke weed much in general though for this reason. Used to quite a bit, but just found it turned me into an over-analytic, depressed, paranoiac, all of which is compounded when mixed with most other drugs other than benzos. I'm very jealous of those for which weed chills them out. Even when I enjoyed it it never did that for me.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Nay to the weed, yay to beer or opioids in my book (not both of course).

 

[Iron Lungs]

she will know I am high...

Lieing to your wife about getting high?

Your wife should be the first person you can tell just about anything especially something as fundamental as this

It can only end in tears mate, my missus is quite anti drugs and hates even weed and has (in the past) swallowed the whole anti drugs propaganda crap theres no way she would stop me tripping or getting high

If I was wasting all the money or destroying myself or our lifestyle maybe she would have a complaint but a relationship is a two way street and if it was me tripping and lieing to my partner then I think I would be anxious too

Its a weight on your mind you can do without, is opening up and telling her out of the question? it sounds like the same situation where a kid doesnt tell his mom and hides in the bedroom thinking he will be fine, many a bad do started like this

 

[pofacedhoe]

opiates work better to relieve a trip of its badness.

they are a life saver- will destroy bad feeling and panic quite quickly

small dose of codeine would do it

 

[donvliet]

- Don't smoke weed during the trip.

- Take care of set & setting. Don't meet with sober people.

- Reserve enough time for the experience and for resting afterward.

- Be honest to you wife about tripping.

I you take care of these things, you have a much better chance of having a positive experience. You shouldn't need benzos.