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how safe are "poppers?"

wesmdow

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by poppers im talkin bout amyl and butyl nitrite.

i recently got a bottle of butyl nitrite and i love it. the amyl nitrite was too expensive--so ill get it next time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers#Health_Issues

according to wikioedoa, there is little health risk associated with either.

erowid doesnt have much to say....
 
If not overdone and with no pre-existing cardiac and/or circulatory problems they should be pretty safe.

The riskiest scenario would probably be a combination of heavy over-use plus some undetected condition like a cerebral aneurism.
 
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I was told by a friend that it's potentially lethal when used with MDMA. Any truth to this?
 
They give you a seriously nasty-ass headache, that's all I know. I think it's the brain cells screaming as they die.

But hell, we don't use much of our brains anyway.
 
It is very safe if you only use it once in a while.

It can be somewhat dangerous if you use it everyday for weeks/months...

(-> Don't forget, put the bottle under your nose, but it shouldn't touch your nose or it will cause some weird scars/burns)

(-> And once you opened a bottle, don't keep it for more than a few days, or it will lose its potency and cause headaches)

(-> And it is VERY DANGEROUS to use it if you're on Viagra)
 
i put together a lil treat for you that should cover this topic from head to toe. enjoy.


a bit of basic chem

R & R' can = H, CH3, CH2CH3, etc (known as an alkyl group)
O= oxygen
N = nitrogen
H = hydrogen


The reaction of a nitrite with a secondary amine produces the nitrosamine

RONO + R'2NH --> ROH + R'2NNO

nitrosamines are so reactive that when exposed to UV light, decomposition occurs. a similar enzyme catalysed reaction occurs in the body.

R2NNO + Light --> RO* + NO

NO is nitric oxide (not to be confused with laughing gas; N2O or nitrous oxide). NO is an endogenous chemical which has many roles, but it suffices to say this reactive compound is involved in cellular communication and plays an important role in apoptosis (programmed cellular death).

the second compound RO*is an alkyl free radical. depending upon the alkyl group attached, these compounds may slightly to very toxic to cells.


what's actually in poppers

we talk of RUSH, BULLSEYE, POPPERS etc of being amyl nitrite. Amyl nitrite (isopentyl nitrite) was withdrawn from many countries' markets long ago following reports showing the carcinogenic potential of the compound. What replaced amyl was simply the next next best thing that was still legal.

when isopentyl/amyl was withdrawn from prescription in the US in 1968, the popper market at the time was a big industry. replacements were sought and as butyl nitrites were used extensively throughout the perfume industry as well as being employed for use in antifreeze, the choice was obvious.


....a little bit more Chem

the difference between amyl, butyl etc, is simply the number of carbons in the group. "iso" is the terminal branched isomer of the compound. "n" implies the carbons are linear in arrangement and not branched. "sec" says there are 2 branches off the 1 carbon. "tert" says 3 off the 1 carbon.


okay, what's all this got to poppers i hear you asking.

the butyl nitrites, all varieties listed above including butyl nitrate are produced in the manufacture of poppers through the action of nitrous acid on butyl alcohol. iso-butyl nitrate, also produced, is converted to nitrite in the body (also a toxic process)

so now you know the compounds, you may like to do a google search on any of them with the term nitrosamines. also, if you use or intend to use nitrites, then you at least owe it to yourself to be well informed of the risks. these compounds are potentially very damaging. sodium nitrite is used as a preservative in bacon and other meats, but levels of nitrosamines are carefully monitored. vitamin c is added to prevent the formation of nitrosamines in smallgoods, but as the following reports show, it has little affect when taken as a pre-load to using nitrites.


one thing I'm quite certain of. If you read the following papers, you will definitely think twice before deciding poppers are a harmless drug.


Supplemental material:

Health Hazards of Nitrite Inhalants

EXPEDITED CANCER POTENCY VALUES AND NO SIGNIFICANT RISK LEVELS (NSRLs) FOR FOUR PROPOSITION 65 CARCINOGENS: ISOBUTYL NITRITE, NALIDIXIC ACID, o-PHENYLENEDIAMINE, o-PHENYLENEDIAMINE HYDROCHLORIDE

No Significant Risk Levels for Carcinogens and Maximum allowable dose levels for Chemicals Causing Reproductive Toxicity



And it is VERY DANGEROUS to use it if you're on Viagra

Amyl nitrates cause hypotension by their nature; that is why it is considered dangerous to mix with viagra, in case you were wondering.


...I believe my work is done here.
 
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I had a gay roommate who would use poppers right before orgasm in order to give an extra "rush" when he was coming.

After doing that long enough, he found he was so habituated to it that he couldn't come without them.

And that, to me, is one hell of a shitty side-effect.
 
If you use them too much in a short period you can actually OD on them. Youre finger nails and lips etc go blue. Happened to me once.
 
who_can_say said:
If you use them too much in a short period you can actually OD on them.

I think you can OD and/or die drom poppers only if you drink it or shoot it.

who_can_say said:
Youre finger nails and lips etc go blue. Happened to me once.

Abuse can cause such side-effects, and many others: your face can become and stay completely red during the whole day/night, you can have sever burns on your nose, etc....

Poppers is definitely something that shouldn't be abused.
Use 4 or 5 times when you're on psychedelics or other drugs that are potentiated by poppers, but no more.
 
Completely not worth it for the side effects in my opinion. I know many people who enjoy them though :\
 
Poppers and all the other solvents (like ether or glue) are very harmful.
They are the stuff that fucks up the more your poor neurons.
 
Phy said:
Poppers and all the other solvents (like ether or glue) are very harmful.

All solvents are very harmful and nasty except Nitrous, Ether and Poppers. (but they still have downsides and side-effects though; but nothing like the damages caused by inhaling Glue or Freon....)
 
One minor alert... after smoking a 1+ gram of super-chronic grass, I tried a hit off the nitrite, and I imagine must have passed out temporarily, as i have no memory of the following three minutes. However, I'm rather sensitive to marijuana and smoke pretty rarely, so my reaction may have been atypical, I just don't know.

Personally I quite like poppers, either at a concert, as a drug potentiator, or just to get heavily weird in public to scare my more upstanding fellow citizens ;) I have used them irregularly for over a year now, and can report no bad side effects except residual headaches after use; no memory loss, aneurysms, etc. My theory is that people who don't like it just take too much in too short a space of time, and then you're guaranteed some nasty side effects.

Does anyone else like these at all?
 
Yeah they are still bad, but not anywhere near as toxic as glue ,gas or paint. There was a guy coined "Glue bag dan" and all he did was walk around and huff glue from a glue soaked cloth in a bag. This guy was just "in space" . never saw someone so out of touch with reality. He had damaged his brain so bad it cant be fixed.

Poppers will never cause that. Although like Jason said..dont mix them with viagra, I personally know someone who almost died from this combo,
 
Can anyone recommend any good combinations with poppers (other than MDMA and LSD)? I have tried it w/ a low level of DXM, and found that it seemed to increase my dissociation three-fold (it felt like the peripheries of my body; outside arms, etc, were dissolving or fraying) Also, what about none-MDMA stimulants (amphetamines, BZP, etc.)?
 
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