ptrsnake13
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I've seen and done the same as you since 1968. I still cook it because it kills some impurities. Not all, but every little bit helps
Pete
Pete
wow that seems like not that much heroin, but I guess most of the dope I come across is cut to hell. I never used more than 20units of water for three bag shots, I wonder if I was wasting any dope. You still don't really have to heat Oxy IR to fit that amount in your syringe. You can just dissolve two of them at a time, and then spray your solution of say 60mg over another 60mg of oxy. Youll probably lose a little oxy doing that, but you'd still probably get more out of than trying to melt down 200mg or so at a time. Heating pills is a real bad idea to get in the habit of doing. When I was shooting bupe+Benadryl, I really fucked up my veins cause i would heat the diphenhydramine to try and get more in the syringewhat? That is incorrect... if you have 1mL of water (one shot) and want to shoot a bunch of oxy, up to around 120-140mg of oxycodone will dissolve in one mL of water. All the rest is just binders that you are making dissolve...
Think about it, only 10-25% of a pill is usually the active drug, often less, so it shouldn't be hard to get enough OXY in one mL that you have to do multiple shots. 120mgs of oxy banged at once is ALOT. ( Using oxy as example cuz of your avatar)
As far as heroin, its solubility is 149mg/ml, so you would have to be shooting some pretty good shit to max that out.
You are deluding yourself with the heating thing. If you are that concerned, and aren't going to take my advice on getting some supplies, I would say to run the mixture through a large 5mL syringe with densely packed cotton and 1-2 layers of coffee or lab filters also. then when you have the filtered liquid, pull the plunger out, pour it pack in, and run it through again. The large surface area of powder means that whatever didn't dissolve into solution the first time, probably will if you pull the solution through 2 more times. I would then filter with a similar but new setup (pre-wet the cotton and pack it tightly) and try that.
It really is worth it to just go the sterile route though...
So i know this has been covered and the general consensus is not to heat. But what about tar, mine does dissolve in cold water but i'm really worried about the bacteria. I have got an infection / pneumonia from shooting tar in my nose. Should i heat it to kill bacteria or it doesn't matter just cold shot it?
i inject 300 to 420mg of oxy at a time
Most people recommend heating tar in order to fully dissolve it and to lighten the colour/make it more clear. Whether or not heating kills any bacteria etc is a huge controversy. What I was always told was that it would take 5 minutes in order to completely sterilize the solution and eliminate ALL bacteria AND viruses, but that heating it briefly can still kill some, if not most, bacteria. Everyone where I live always cooks their dope (yes, including white or tan heroin) unless they are trying to be super-quick and don't have a spoon and lighter (in which case putting the whole thing into their syringe is not going to eliminate any of the cut at all).
Here is an info page about the topic from HeroinHelper: http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/admin/cold_shot.shtml
They strongly believe that the benefits of cooking your dope outweigh the disadvantages. However, as you can tell from this thread, many people do not agree and think that the risk of dissolving the cut is not worth it.
HeroinHelper claims that the issue of dissolved cuts can be greatly reduced by letting your dope cool and filtering it before drawing it up and injecting it. They also say that the most common cuts, such as sugar or coffee, are already pretty soluble in cold water so heating doesn't make much difference.
Written for opiophile, but decided I'd post it here as well
Introduction & Context
I recently attended a pill injection workshop in Australia, among the people at this workshop, there was a man called Dr. Bruno Raimondo, him and his team are running research into opioid pills such as OxyContin, MSContin and Subutex and the effectiveness of filtering. In the morphine forum I already summarized a document he did, I managed to obtain a copy of the slides he used at the presentation, although he has not released the formal version (which I will link to when he has) of the research, the slides he has emailed me are sufficient for the information people need to know.
Too long didn't read:
Don't heat pills, 2-3ml of water soaking your finely powdered pill, with a 1ml rinse through your filter (SHOULD be using a wheel filter) will give you the best results. Wheel filters are necessity they don't retain any drug (95-99% is let through, cotton filters let through less). Expect health problems down the road if you shoot cotton filtered pills.
Harms of pill injection
Injecting pills (or anything) can result in contaminants entering your body such as insoluble particles or bacteria and fungi. These things can irritate and inflame tissue and veins, cause infections in skin/muscle (granuloma, abscess). They can also result in local and systemic infection from the bacteria/fungi.
Insoluble and undissolved particles can cause microcirculation capillaries (5-10um) to become blocked, they clog up in the heart and lungs. Granulomas in the lungs are caused by inflammation which leads to scar tissue (fibrosis). Congmomerate masses lead to restrictive lung disease and pulmonary hypertension. The particles also reach other organs (liver, kidney etc).
Key particles in pills (OxyContin, MSContin, Subutex)
Other insoluble particles included are:
Magnesium stearate (5-30um)
Titanium dioxide (100um clumps) (ms, oxy)
Other particles that change form in heat are:
Stearyl alcohol MP is 59*C (ms, oxy)
Eudragit RS 30D clumps at >30*C (oxy)
All these particles cause problems in your heart, lungs and other organs, the chemicals that change form in heart are the reasons why pills should NOT be heated, and you will soon find out there is no advantage to heating.
Why pills shouldn't be heated
As you can see, of these images under a microscope, heating pill solutions cause enourmous particles to dissolve in the mix. These particles will pass through the filter (wheel or cotton) and recongeal, precipitating out in your filtered mix or veins.
Ok so I shouldn't heat, what about Rollie cigarette filter filtering (or cotton).
For comparison: MSContin rollies reduce particles >5um by 60%.
What about the drug retained?
For subutex 97% of the drug is returned in this process.
Drug is not retained in the filter after this, even if the filter is wet.
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Wheel filters (and why they rock!)
Here is the solution of two pills under a microscope before and after wheel filtering
But how many particles are removed by the wheel filters?
But what about drug recovery
For subutex drug recovery is 99%
*Note: One of the researches reminded me to say that when they first did these tests, their technique with wheel filters was poor, and that morphine recovery is more like 95-99%
So as you can see, using wheel filters removes all the particles that cause harm (basically), with a rinse of water after first filter, you can retain 95-99% of the drug (better then a cotton/rollie filter) while removing 99% of the particles that cause harm, and heating is generally a bad idea that does NOT help at all, and does more harm then good.
Note: Hand rolled cigarette filters filter to about 50um.
Another document for the national drug safety council, which focused mainly on morphine and wheel filters, also contains a lot of information. It is located here.
I also posted this in Australian drug discussion but was told to also post it here.
haha samesies w the less than sterile shit. and i?ve been fine. ive used spit when i didn?t have water several times. just wanted to share-even tho not proud-just showing that there?s not always a need to fear mongerit seems i've a lot to say concerning said subject.
remember what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
also a dogs mouth is supposedly cleaner then a humans.
i have never used an alchohol prep never ever in 24 years of fixin dope.
i've used the same pin fer weeks at a time.
also the same bottle of water for weeks at a time.
what i'm saying is my body probally would go into shock from a sterile solution?
peace /respect dawg,
haha samesies w the less than sterile shit. and i?ve been fine. ive used spit when i didn?t have water several times. just wanted to share-even tho not proud-just showing that there?s not always a need to fear monger