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beta3242

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Hi everyone. I am new to BL. I've been reading various posts and threads that I was directed thru Googl and decided to finally sign up. And boy am I lost on this site and need some help.

I am a 50 year old Gay man living with AIDS for the past 24 years and have been on a lot of various meds and have a lot of other health conditions likr my lower back and nerves are shot. Sciatica, poly neuropathy, arthritis, chronic pain syndrome to name a few and I am now waiting for confirmation of AVN (avascular necrosis of both hips due to HIV) following more MRI's. I'll stop here on listing more conditions.

Here is where I need help...for about the past two years specifically, I have been on 15mg ER morphine 2xday along with 6 20mg Oxycodone IR. The my HIV specialist and primary care doc finally said he needed to refer me to pain management as he was at a loss why my pain was not being controlled. Keep in mind, I developed a nasty habit of insufulating my Oxycodone. Anyway, I went to pain management thinking I was going to an office with one doc or maybe two and boy was I surprised. It's a huge clinic with lots of docs, staff, patients of varying ages and health challenges.

I did the intake and I was piss tested and ten days later returned for prescriptions and another fucking piss test all the while complaining of continuous pain and shocked my doc sent me to such a place. Well I tested positive for THC and was warned. I also was told my morphine level was high and my Oxycodone was low. I was given the scripts for the same drugs I had been taking and left bewildered and feeling very judged and very low emotionally and mentally drained. By the way I am also bi-polar and in Paxil 60mg per day along with 400mg of Seroquel which I stopped taking three months ago. More on this another time I hope.

The Next month, I was piss tested yet a ducking again, confused and not having a pain management experience I originally expected and told that my Oxycodone was not in my system but morphine and lorazepam were. ( I ran out of oxy five days early due to snorting and the morphine was carrying me). I was told that I needed to have a oral swab test for genetic testing to see how I metabolize and if I refused I would be discharged. I did it and this time they upped the morphine ER to 30mg 2xday and reduced my oxy to 4x20mg per day. I left only to be called in for a random pill count and piss test.

I was shocked never having been in p mgmt before but who am I kidding, I obviously have a problem as I came up short on the oxy' but had right amount of morphine. They gave me warning again and this time said I could sign an opiate agreement in order to stay on and needed to be seen in two weeks for meds and to meet with the doc who did my intake. I went and she said the oral genetic test was back and that morphine was not for me, doesn't work well for me so she put me on 2x30mg OxyContin Tamper coated or something like that per day and said never break them and to stick to the script as written and prescribed 2x20mg oxy's per day for break thru as needed, if at all. She's expecting that I should not need the short acting at all. What is happening here? I am still in pain, like about a 7 or so. Has she prescribed the right dosages?

My friend said I'll be hurting bad when I start the new regimen on Sunday and said the doc has way under prescribed the opiates for me. Is this true? I know it will reduce my harm to myself by not having the original 6 oxy's per day to use the way I want but I can't live in pain guys. I'm scared, very alone -have no friends or partner. I've been isolating myself for years. AIDS is tuff stuff. Am I being steered correctly with meds? What will OxyContin be like for me. Will I get the nice energy I get on regular oxy's. Did the doc correctly do the math in figuring out a dose of OxyContin to replace the morphine? Am I going to go into some withdrawals? What should I expect on Sunday when I take the OxyContin instead of the morphine and jumping down to 2 oxy's a day instead of 4 which originally 6? Please help. I do have Hydroxyzine, lorazepam, diphenoxylate atropine, oh and I take 4800mg of Gabapentin a day, I have Baclofen too. Again please help and sorry so long. Look forward to responses this is beta3242 saying hello as well.
 
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Hi beta and welcome to Bluelight! So this new doctor prescribed two 30 mg ER and two 20 mg IR? Are you taking these now or waiting until Sunday to start? Oxycontin time release may not give you the same energy boost as IR. They made me a bit sleepy but not everyone has the same reaction to these. Your doctor made a conversion being that roughly oral 30 mg morphine = 20 mg oxycodone.

But I don't know why she lowered your oxy IR from six tablets to two. Sounds like she is trying to be conservative in dosing but whatever you do, don't go over the prescribed amount. Especially since they are calling you in for random pill counts. Seems like many of these pain clinic doctors have a one-size fits all mentality. If this new regimen doesn't work for you, tell them right away! I would hate to see you walking around in pain. We have a Pain Management mega thread which may interest you: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/793435-The-Pain-Management-Mega-Thread-v-7 Let us know how you're doing. <3
 
Hi T. Thank you for responding. I'm waiting until Sunday so I can comply with her directions to start 2 30mgER oxy and 2 20mgIR oxy per day as needed for breakthrough. I don't know what breakthrough pain really is nor do I understand what is the blood brain barrier other than my HIV meds I'm told are able to go thru the BBB. I've always been confused about this and get even more confused when reading about it. On another note, what will I experience when I start the 30ER oxy instead of the morphine 30ER??? Anything fun or bad I should expect??? Is it true that 30ER oxy is two times stronger than morphine 30ER???? Thx.
 
Thank you. I don't see or understand the conversion amount you reference. How should I use the conversion table to figure out what degree of potency is 30mg OxyContin vs . 30mg morphine ER. ?? I really appreciate your response. It made me feel like someone cares and wanted to help. Thank you again.
 
Welcome to BL! Oxy is stronger than (and according to your results better metabolized) compared to morphine. You may feel like it's less going from IR to ER. My guess would be more tired, no "happy energy" boost. Pain wise it may be a little better for you unless you're basing some of how you feel on whether you get euphoria (which subconsciously I have done). I'm wouldn't be anything like withdrawal though. I think your docs are being reasonable in working with you despite the inconsistencies of your tests. If I were you I'd do all I could to stick to the doses and just what you're prescribed because where you go seems uh excessive in checking to make sure you do and they seem receptive to your complaints enough to try options. It's better to feel rough until they figure it out than to get dropped and have nothing ya know. Lorazepam is a benzodiazepine and unless they know it's your script and have been made aware of that, it looks bad since its in a class of commonly abused drugs. Make sure they know everything you're prescribed though. When using a conversion chart (there are numerous ones just google it) - put the drug and dose in one box typically and the drug you want to learn about in the other. The dose it gives is what it is equal to so if you put in "OxyContin" and "30mg" and on the other side "morphine" then it will say how may mgs you would require at your tolerance level. Some sites go as specific as the route of administration (ROA). They are more complicated but better IMO because different ROAs have different bioavailability percentages (which is the amount your body uses). The same dose taken different ways can have huge differences. Hope that clears some things up. Good luck to you.
 
You are awesome and it totally clears things up. All of the meds I mentioned I have are prescribed to me and they are aware and approve them all. I didn't list all meds like those for HIV, BP, Ménière's disease, Psych's, cholesterol, and cold sores. Again thank you so much. I look forward to true pain relief and admit I was abusing the old regimen as far as the Oxycodone goes. 6 20mg IR was too tempting but as they lowered those to 4, and now what will be 2 for breakthrough pain along with oxyER 30 instead of 30mg ER morphine will help but I hope will help with pain. Thanks so much.
 
Help with OxyContin I'm lost guys sorry all

GI'm lost and don't understand this stuff. You guys are all so smart. I have been on 30mg ER morphine 2xday and 20mg IR Oxycodone 4xday. Now they want me to start on Sunday, 30mg ER OxyContin 2xday and only 20mg IR Oxycodone 2xday. My question is have they under dosed my total opiates. Am I going to withdraw or is it true that OxyContin is two times stronger than morphine? Again I'm afraid and stressed thinking that I will be in more pain on this new regimen. True? And I will no longer be able to snort the Oxycodone IR right? I will miss the feeling up and energetic from the IR and I think they know I've been snorting from the millennium test they performed. She said she ran a genetic test on me and that morphine is not for me. True?? Thanks a bunch guy.
 
IMHO I would've preferred the 30mg ER Morphine 2x a day with 20mg IR oxy 4x a day rather than what they changed you to. What is the millennium test? some way to see if your not taking your meds orally as prescribed? I see you like to sniff your pills, I used to love sniffing oxy too and also IV morphine(don't get into that habit if you haven't yet), or plugged morphine. Morphine doesn't have a very high oral BA or intranasal BA and is better if IV'ed or plugged unfortunately. I will never understand why they make pills meant to be swallowed that have terrible if no effects when done the right way, and only work well when IV'ed, sniffed, etc. Anyways if they weren't OP OxyContin like they are now I would have a different opinion on them changing your script and would've preffered the OC Ers. The OP or new formula Oxy ER in most countries are like plastic and do NOT work like they used to when they were able to be broken down to sniff or slam or chewed with original OC formula. I know Australia still has generic versions of the old formula OxyContin. But north America as far as I know does not as of yet, although I think there are some generic companies trying to make OxyContin back the way it once was about 6-7 years ago before they were turned to plastic garbage but Purdue Pharma the company who makes OxyContin OPs is not letting them do so... such bs. Hope you find a way to make it work..
 
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