Has my friend developed mental health problems from LSD? [Delusional beliefs] HELP

[eXalin]

Hi, I recently received a message from my friends girlfriend, she is very concerned with my friends behavior recently. I know he has been taking truffles and has also been taking LSD (verified as LSD).

She told me recently that he was going to quit his job to 'spread the light' and just dance in public. She is having a hard time coping with his recent behaviour, and doesn't know what to do as she loves him, but he seems to be completely stuck in this whole 'spread the light' thing, I have noticed him sending messages to groups on facebook such as the 'pleadians' or some shit.

This is one of the messages he has been sending to groups.

ANNOUNCEMENT: Dear Lightworkers, surface workers and all people of light. My name is I LOVE YOU Time has come, last weeks shown that people of earth are ready for changes that will bring worlds new Era Of Light. Last week was significant for our mission of light. Many beigns has discovered their true nature, they've decided Light is here, Light is now. Many of pale-faces are gone as they knew presence of light is not random. But still many of lowest vibrition beings are here, they will not go untill last day. They will try to pull you in to many emotional games, through your relationships, families, media and random events.But you are strong, light beigns, full of divine love. Stick to your inner self, your stream of light and be always calm when facing dificult events. Time has come, those last weeks we have left will be very memorable and rewarding, We all work with our divine light to chase darkness out of our reality. We dont fight it, we dont clash with it, we dont play any games with it and we have no fear.

All we are is I LOVE YOU, YES I LOVE, I JUST LOVE YOU. This is what most people on the streets need to hear - I LOVE YOU You gather your light friends and spend every day off bringing light in busiest places of your town/city. Make sure place you have choose is right and your inner light lead you there, just go out and go whenever you feel its right. Take your music( Reggae is most effective as its simply music of love and pale-faces cant stand it even if its on your headphones they can hear it) Take any paintings, tshirts anything related with love, truth and high frequency vibrations, take your crystals, take lots of flovers with you. Lovest vibrition plases are, Train stations, amusement centres, casinos, piers, shopping centres etc. While youre spreading love and vibrating by dance, smile, saying I Love You, or whatever you choose, dont be pushy, dont force anyone to join you. We are the messangers, law of universe must be respected by all of us, we are here to bring light and just show our beloved ones the other way of creating our reality. We doing it only by I Love You. While youre working you will see peoples reactions, if someone ask you why youre dancing, let your light speak, let yourself fly and bring divine visdom.

I Love You. You'll see many pale-faces and their people who cant stand your vibrition, they will stand back and will try you to feel scared and they will use all their abilities to bring you down. Once again - they have no abilities to get in to your light as light of Father is here. Best way dealing with them is smiling and simply I Love You. When you close encounter pale-face let father god speak, Time has come and all negative beigns have to leave our planet as I Command them to do so. Time of light is now. Father is here to finish this era of violence. With all my love i command you to go! While you speak use only ur light voice, they can hear you, and they will respect my will as nothing have power over light of love. By the law universe it is done! Use FB to gather around your area, i will establish my own I Love You webpage ASAP. I will be steraming in Brighton UK tomorrow, please join me or just join my light and spread love anywhere you live. Contact me if any questions. I Love You.

I am quite concerned and do not know what to do, I have told his girlfreind to hide his acid so he can't take anymore, but I don't even know if that is going to help anything as it seems he is so immersed into this belief system he has completely integrated into his life!

Is it a mental health issue? Is it just a temporary delusional state? or is it just like any other cult/religion, where he just believes in this sort of thing genuinely and its nothing to worry about?!

 

[bongerman]

Your friend sounds like a typical lot kid, spunion however you wanna phrase it kids it burning himself out the shit he wrote screams he needs to quit tripping and get a grip when you meet people like him you just have to laugh unless your really close then you need to tell him how cra cra he is coming off and how he probably can't spread the light of every five steps he yell at voices in his head which could happen

 

[Xorkoth]

What your friend has communicated is a common conclusion reached from a peak psychedelic experience. Psychedelics often cause a person to realize that what the world needs is love. At first the reaction can be to drop out of everything and focus on this message. And I mean, in reality, if everyone focused on love a little bit more, the world would be a better place. However some people take it too far, and stop doing anything else. We need people to continue making the world turn, so this kind of approach can be destructive, although the intention is good. Reading your friend's post that you quoted, my guess is he is still on the spiritual high from his recent experiences. I agree that he should lay off the drugs for a while. In time he should come down and approach his new insights with a sober mind. Hopefully then he will realize that dropping out is not actually the answer. But the core message he is trying to spread is a good one, and I do not believe that it means he has snapped and gone crazy.

I think at certain times I have come across pretty intense like this, in Spring/Summer 2006 we had a bit of a wave of that here in PD that I was a part of. I felt as if I had a mission to share this message with the world and that it could help to bring about a very positive change in the world. I still feel as if I have this mission but I now realize that I was on an unrealistic high and that there are better ways to bring that change about, that people will actually listen to.

If your friend is not able to communicate with you normally (like if you're just casually hanging out and it's hard to carry on a normal conversation), then this could indicate some amount of a psychotic break. Be on the lookout for other symptoms... if he starts talking to himself a lot or just plain not making sense (I think this post makes sense, it's just pretty intense and unrealistic), then consider trying to get him help. If it doesn't start to fade in intensity pretty soon, I might also suggest this. But I think most likely if you give it a few weeks he will start to calm down (that is unless he keeps taking a bunch of psychedelics to maintain it).

What does he mean by "pale-faces" by the way?

 

[Propyl Power]

Yes excessive use of LSD is known to cause messianic delusions and schizoid breaks.
It typically only occurs when abused, i.e. multiple times a week or daily.

I know at least one person who developed serious schizophrenia as a result of daily LSD abuse, & ended up spending a few years in a mental hospital. I think he's out now, but is certainly damaged goods.

Some people recover, others don't.
Needless to say, ceasing use of psychedelics is a prerequisite for recovery.

Your friend apparently doesn't realize is that hundreds if not thousands of flower children in the 60's were spouting the exact same rhetoric - ''all we have to do is manifest our true natures as Love & Light, and the whole world will realize the error of its ways and convert to our higher vibration".
Well we all know how that worked out...

He invokes the 'Father' while neglecting any reference to a Mother, another red flag of delusion derived from pathological judeo-christian programming.

Furthermore, darkness is not inherently negative, nor is light inherently good. To get caught up in these kinds of value judgements is an error.
He also clearly does not understand or respect the power of HATE

In short, his heart is in the right place, but he is proceeding with terrible naivete.

Good luck to y'all

 

[Black]

I know he has been taking truffles and has also been taking LSD (verified as LSD).

let's not forget that mushrooms are equally likely to cause such a state as lsd.

xorkoth's advice is a sound one. this often dissipates in a short peroid of time, in which he certainly should not take any psychedelics or weed (or even better any kind of drug). but if there is not indication of him getting more grounded or if he becomes paranoid (freaking out about a conspiracy of the "pale-faces" or something) or aggressive, then i'd recommend getting him help from a professional.

 

[pmoseman]

His view of the world comes from his experience in it. How he looks at the world changes. The drug is going to heighten this effect. You cannot simply look at a person and detect whether they are a bringer of light or darkness or feel if the world is happy. You barely have the ability to know this about yourself.

You can help him by asking lots of questions and staying open to his views and not fearing. Breaking a delusion by withdrawing from drug use can leave a person very depressed. There are medications that can help but it is best if you start working at the source of what will become a depression, right now.

What the world needs is people who are willing to help others as the opportunity presents itself. When that opportunity comes along many people simply ignore it.

There will be many opportunities to do good. It comes about by chance and is not something he can control. I sense a kind of desperation in his message. Even though a main goal may not be achieved, even impossible, there are smaller goals which get achieved along the way. But he has to be able to change focus to see that happening.

We all have views of the world which can never be fully proven, but this does not make all models equal. This also means we must have multiple models to work with. No single model tells the whole story. He may not be able to see any flaws .

There is some evidence that our beliefs can change how we actually see the writing on the wall. It can take a number of evidentiary experiences to shake his new world view up.

He also might have mixed up the association of what he is feeling with what is causing that feeling. You need to care for your basic needs before seeking happiness. Otherwise it is a waste of time.

Best of luck with your friend.

 

[eXalin]

Thank-you to everyone who is taking the time to respond with their knowledge and experience, it is appreciated and it helping put things into perspective.

I don't know what he means by 'pale-faces', never heard of that phrase in my life lol.

One of my other friends started talking all this conspiracy crap for a few months, had complete belief in it, then took speed one night whilst tired and jumped out of a window because he thought his life-long friends were reptilians and going to kill him.

Thats why I was concerned because it seemed to come across as very similar to to my friends amphetamine-induced psychosis, which seemed to be involving his belief system in reptilians and energy and crap.

I will show his girlfriend these posts so she can get a firmer grasp of what is happening, the only way I know my friend won't stop taking acid is if she hides his tabs! which could cause further complications, but its the only way it seems possible to hopefully bring him back down to level from his 'spiritual' obsessive high for what seems very cult-like to me, I know he has been reading David Icke...

She had an honest chat with him and he said that 'spreading the light' is paramount to his life now, she said "there is no way to talk him out of it". I also just checked the chat logs and she says "But I can not stop him from taking acid or mdma" and "He's just so much into it, it's all for real to him and may cross the line one day"

oh and something about plaeides

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Jees, I've never heard of someone being so obsessed with taking PD's, I couldn't physically take lsd twice within a week, once is enough to leave me craving-less for months.

Anyways, it sounds like y'all really need to make a concerted effort to get him off drugs entirely. I've never believed stories of people flipping and jumping out windows, but I have seen my roommate come real near the metaphorical deep end and almost dive in essentially. But he came back after all the drugs ran out and he got a DWI, it forced him back into law and order.

Just get him off the drugs. If he never returns to normal, then maybe he was already schizophrenic and y'all had no clue. It can happen. My ex-girlfriends brother and uncle are schizo's, but she tried to tell me it was LSD's fault. I'm like no, it's because schizophrenia runs in your family, two people close to you having it is some bad genetics.

And hey, talking to yourself is completely normal! At least I think...
I've been talking to myself and inanimate objects/pets since well before any drugs entered my life.

 

[Xorkoth]

I have always talked to myself a bit when I'm alone and I talk to my cats all the time. Also in my inner dialogue I sometimes refer to myself as "we"... like "we need to do this now" or "okay, let's see what we think about this".

 

[tStacksPaper3403]

I understand your concern about your friend. I would be concerned too, just like any other normal person.
I just want you to understand now, that I, myself am a person that personally watched there older brother slowly, drive himself to insanity as a result of doing all type of trip-type drugs LSD being one of the more frequent ones.

When I say he drove himself to insanity, I mean like its a proven fact, like he is now diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and is in a phsyc ward as I am typing this message.
Now I am no expert or anything but I have watched my brother (who I was living in the same room with for Christ sake) drive himself insane, and I did pick up on his change of behavior, which slowly started to change overtime btw long before he was diagnosed. I have just a few questions now. Did your friend type that message when he was sober? Is he frequently acting out this was regardless of the state of mind he is in (sober/tripping)?
I don't know and can't tell you if other people actually believe this whole "spread the light" situation but regardless, if you are seeing a big difference in your Friends attitude and he has never acted like this before, and is acting like this when he is sober, he is most likely very sick, and you should be worried. I'm not trying to scare you but I'm just saying that from my own experiences. He seems pretty patinate, judging by the way he was, and wrote that whole spread the light business and I would have him admitted to a hospital for a phsyc evaluation. You will have a better idea of what's going on with him and in what ways he could be sick if you do that.
Be careful though because even the first time my brother went into the hospital , he was released 12 hours later and then the police and a social worker had to come to my house the next day to re evaluate him and then tell him that he HAS to be admitted and he has no choice and the police were just there to make sure he makes it there okay, but they will use force if he has any objections.

Good luck to you and your friend. I hope he is okay but it sounds to me like he is sick honestly and hopefully, if that's the case he gets the help and meds that he needs because you will see a big improvement if he ends up needing meds and they're able to give them to him. Just saying though if that's the case it sometimes take a long time to administer the right combo of meds to a person that's sick like that. It took a few months for them to get my bro on the right meds, and he was released and had to go back a few times before they worked everything out for him. He just ended up going back because he always stops taking the meds (and they improve his attitude and everything like 150% he is a lot different when he takes them compared to when he's not on them and can be dangerous when he stops taking them).

But anyways. Seriously observe his behavior for a while. If he starts showing more symptoms of a psych break (talking to himself or saying very random things, having a hard time holding a conversation) then you might want to Get your friend looked at. Idk how old he is but talk to his mom if you have to that's what my brothers friend did for him.

Best of luck, T

 

[treezy z]

he sounds like he's having fun, at least he's not sitting in his apartment with the windows boarded up armed to the teeth waiting for the cia to kidnap and brainwash him.

 

[pmoseman]

Jees, I've never heard of someone being so obsessed with taking PD's, I couldn't physically take lsd twice within a week, once is enough to leave me craving-less for months.

Anyways, it sounds like y'all really need to make a concerted effort to get him off drugs entirely. I've never believed stories of people flipping and jumping out windows
....
My ex-girlfriends brother and uncle are schizo's, but she tried to tell me it was LSD's fault. I'm like no, it's because schizophrenia runs in your family, two people close to you having it is some bad genetics.

And hey, talking to yourself is completely normal! At least I think...
I've been talking to myself and inanimate objects/pets since well before any drugs entered my life.

It is normal to talk to yourself, if it is normal for you.

I had a hard time giving up LSD.

"Within the general population, an individual has a 1% chance of developing schizophrenia. For siblings of people diagnosed with schizophrenia, the risk increases to about 9%. (see a heredity chart on schizophrenia). Be aware that even if you inherit a genetic predisposition, this does not necessarily mean you will develop schizophrenia or any other psychiatric disorder."

LSD psychosis is similar to schizophrenia and nowhere has it been proven that if it lasts for X months or years that it must be a natural case of schizophrenia.

That one guy on salvia...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L2n40JYQusg

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Psychedelics are not for everyone! If you can't keep your shit together on acid you shouldn't take it.

 

[pmoseman]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Psychedelics are not for everyone! If you can't keep your shit together on acid you shouldn't take it.

Also, Brandon Lee should have never taken up acting.

 

[my3rdeye]

One of my other friends started talking all this conspiracy crap for a few months, had complete belief in it, then took speed one night whilst tired and jumped out of a window because he thought his life-long friends were reptilians and going to kill him.

OT That is what is don't like about the conspiracy culture, it's toxic to people who are mentally ill. It confirms the worst of their paranoia. Some of these people should not be online, communication with crazy people doesn't heal unless it is an online support group. I am still waiting for some poor deluded soul to do something crazy while carrying a David Icke book. I don't know how that guy sleeps at night, he is exploiting mentally ill people for book sales.
If I were your friend I would 1) quit drugs, 2) disconnect internet, 3) see a shrink.
He could just be a bit eccentric, i know a few LSD users who are just weird as fuck they still function though. OTH he could end up homeless with a sign about "the light" and take up a crazy street preacher routine. Some people totally lose their shit on LSD/mushrooms, Syd Barett being most well known.
PS "pale face" is what the Indians called white people in those old westerns.....

 

[pofacedhoe]

lsd is a big trigger for crazy thoughts- hes probably having some post acid hypomania.

lsd for me triggered a manic episode.

i got better. the end

 

[jpgrdnr]

Of course its a mental health issue.

It just depends if you want to go through the brutality of sending your friend to detox and him getting on medication. That's the quick fix option.

Despite what attitudes exist, people can get addicted to psychedelics.

I don't think your friend is the type of person that is going to bounce back after a 2 week chill period. By definition your friend is going thru a mental health crisis, no matter how benevolent it may seem.

 

[Crashing]

Sounds like the first big phase that many people go through when using psychedelics.

He isn't sick, he just has a perspective on things that is outside of the socially accepted box. Having such a perspective will often lead a doctor to immediately dampen these new revelations with drugs, because thinking outside of the cookie cutter is "dangerous" and "unpredictable" by documented standards of the FDA. And of course his friends and family are going to do everything they can do to change him back, not because of an ultimately faithful concern for his well being, but maybe because it impacts their normal way of thinking and acting in a way that they don't want to have to deal with.

This revelatory experience happened to so many people throughout history, and the way their peers react is crucial to the outcome. Many of these people ended up lured into mental institutions through fear and uncertainty, only to live out half a life on some soul stripping antipsychotic meds... Some of the others which are the most famous and remembered people in the world.

Similar things happened to John Lennon and the Beatles, and look what came of their delusional beliefs.

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ I agree with your synopsis of peoples' actions, but not for the reasons you stated. I think the root cause of why it is that doctors' standards are to medicate is as you say, but the individual doctors assigning these diagnoses are just trying to do what they believe is best. Likewise, this guy's friends and family are truly concerned for him. They're not selfishly trying to squelch something they don't want to deal with, they are terrified of what his behavior means.

This could go either way. Truthfully, the post/email that you quoted of his sounds a bit more extreme than anything I ever posted, however, there were times in 2006 and a few others during the peaks of trips where similar messages came through me. My friends at one point were all talking amongst themselves about how maybe I needed help, because I was gripped in the mania of a series of trips that had me convinced that through my actions I could begin a chain reaction of inspiration and love that could change the world. I never revealed it to my family because despite the intensity of my communication, I could tell they wouldn't understand. I'm awfully glad no one tried to force me to get mental help because I was fine, I cooled off and integrated the experience into myself. The belief changed and matured, and contributed to who I am today. Although, if my friends and family had forced me to go talk to a psychotherapist, I would have realized the need to reflect society's view of a "sane" person. I realized the whole time the way I was coming off to many people, but I knew I was fine and I was just brimming with passion and excitement.

So this is tough for me to advise on, I can't tell which suggestion would be better harm reduction. Honestly the "pale faces" thing and some of the other terminology makes me more nervous than anything else about this. If you can get him to stop taking drugs and be sure he really isn't taking any, then I would strongly suggest giving it a couple of weeks without drugs before taking any more drastic action.

It's just that the core of what he is saying is something I believe in, and it's a common conclusion reached through psychedelics. Sometimes when that conclusion is reached people attain a pretty intense manic state for a while because it feels like a tremendous, life-changing revelation. And it in fact can be, though certainly it's common to over-react (as in this case).

 

[Crashing]

Yeah man, ^^ however you wanna view it is fine. I just believe that doctors only know this or that to be right or wrong because of what they were taught, regardless of objectivity. That's a crazy debate that goes nowhere. But yeah, i've been in this mania too and it just takes a minute to integrate.

The worst thing IMO is to send this person off to get medicated or locked up before they get the chance to integrate. I'm pretty sure he is just calling cynical, negative, or pessimistic people "pale-faced" , and thats just his choice of terminology. Language is the worst way of communicating. He's just trying to literally hug people with words, and that comes off quite strangely.