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Harm Reduction Harm reduction advice needed regarding my Cocaine, Xanax, and Alcohol dilemma

moka

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I am extremely torn on how to end my binge. And unfortunately I need to decide right now!

I am on my 2nd day of a Coke binge (about 8 grams). Along with the cocaine (during the first day and a half) I went through 17 X .5mgs of Xanax. so 8.5mg total.

To be realistic, I know I won't stop doing coke until I finish the rest of it (5 more grams)

I know this is a lot, and I should not be doing so much in such a short time. But in the spirit of harm reduction, I am hoping one of you guys, or hopefully more the one person, can give me a conclusive and correct answer to my question.

My question is this... I only have (3 X .5mg) Xanax left, with no way to get any more. Should I leave them for after the binge so that I can taper off the Xanax and not get too much withdrawal pain?? And instead drink some whiskey to comedown off the coke?? Or will drinking whiskey now with 8.5mg of Xanax over 2 days in my system be dangerous enough, to be better off biting the bullet and facing the Xanax withdrawal which makes me want to die??

I've went through excruciating Xanax withdrawal after a coke binge years ago, but I have absolutely no memory of how much Xanax I was doing back then, or how long that coke binge was?


If you have advice from real experience please do help me out.
 
now with 8.5mg of Xanax over 2 days in my system
K remember xan half life is only 6-12hrs, so you won't have all of it in your system still.

Do you have benzo addiction? You shouldn't experience withdrawals after just a few days dosing.... It would take weeks?

Either way, I'd personally go with the whiskey - but don't overdo it. Then when you wake up feeling strung out from the coke and possibly hungover from alcohol, you have the xanax as comfort meds.
 
K remember xan half life is only 6-12hrs, so you won't have all of it in your system still.

Do you have benzo addiction? You shouldn't experience withdrawals after just a few days dosing.... It would take weeks?

Either way, I'd personally go with the whiskey - but don't overdo it. Then when you wake up feeling strung out from the coke and possibly hungover from alcohol, you have the xanax as comfort meds.
Thank you, I really do appreciate you thoughts here.

I am actually sooo in need of a few drinks, but worried the 8mg xanax in my system will kill me or something if I start drinking.

When you say you'd drink but not over do it... Would you do it if you took 3.5 mg Xanax just 3 or 4 hours ago.??

And if so how much whiskey in your opinion is "not" overdoing it?
 
@moka hard to say here, many factors in play, your alcohol tolerance, stomach contents, benzo tolerance, etc

Best harm reduction advice would be i guess start with 1 shot/small mixed drink, see how you feel, and wait half an hour between?

I take it you are alone?
Sorry if i dont reply again, I've just taken some sleeping pills and got in bed

Stay safe
 
@moka hard to say here, many factors in play, your alcohol tolerance, stomach contents, benzo tolerance, etc

Best harm reduction advice would be i guess start with 1 shot/small mixed drink, see how you feel, and wait half an hour between?

I take it you are alone?
Sorry if i dont reply again, I've just taken some sleeping pills and got in bed

Stay safe


It's ok. Good night :)
 
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What do you want vs what are you going to do are often two very different things. We all know what the ultimate harm reduction is in this situation. That aside, if you use any Xanax whatsoever from this point and you're absolutely intending to use the remaining 5g of coke, you know that the amount of Xanax is not going to last. I'd be using the coke and coming off with the Xanax. Better leave the booze right out of it because cocaine and alcohol as a combo are particularly hard on the body. Same with alcohol and xanax. Does that sound reasonable?
 
What do you want vs what are you going to do are often two very different things. We all know what the ultimate harm reduction is in this situation. That aside, if you use any Xanax whatsoever from this point and you're absolutely intending to use the remaining 5g of coke, you know that the amount of Xanax is not going to last. I'd be using the coke and coming off with the Xanax. Better leave the booze right out of it because cocaine and alcohol as a combo are particularly hard on the body. Same with alcohol and xanax. Does that sound reasonable?
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Alex_1991
Your advice is certainly appreciated. But I actually kind of went the other way, but not too much.

I've never in all my life went through any withdrawal to speak of, except for the Xanax incident. It was horrific to say the least. So I do not want to go there ever again. But I am trying to be careful with the whiskey. I used to finish a bottle in one night when I was doing coke. Right now I am only taking tiny sips every hour or so, and not after each re-dose like I used to.

And you're right of course about real harm prevention and what is the right thing to do. Unfortunately I have zero will power at the moment. I am relapsing hard. Haven't done any drugs since 2012. And that was hash. Coke was 2009.

What gives me some comfort is the fact that I am traveling at the moment. And back home there are very strong factors that would make this crazy behavior out of reach for me.
 
Moka, I understand your situation. I'm not really a stimulant user, but I've used enough stimulant drugs to know that I can't stop using them once I get started either. It's unfortunately a pretty human quality it seems. Unfortunately, the way I see this playing out, is you using a lot of Cocaine over the next several hours and ending up with an uncomfortably stimulated physical situation in which you will likely have a hard time resisting taking the rest of your Alprazolam (Xanax),

My recommendation would be to stop using the Cocaine. Make it 8 hours without using any but ideally, 12 hours. Take the remainder of your Alprazolam along with a few shots of liquor. I wouldn't advise you to drink alcohol normally in this situation, but I think 1.5mg Alprazolam is probably not going to be more than enough to take the edge off. You need to take advantage of the synergy between the Alcohol and the Benzodiazepines in the hopes that it will get you to sleep. Sleep is key to breaking your binge pattern, so I believe making that happen is really important right now.
 
Sleep is very good. It helps me through allot of (medicine) binges.

It is very important and even helps me get rid of cravings.

I know this sounds simple but is a great idea. Sleep helps the body to repair itself and heal.

Like a prayer.
 
Why do you think you’re going to have Xanax withdrawal?
I wasn't really sure whether I would or not. I was just scared cuz when I went through it before I was in pain every minute of the day. I had muscle spasms, panic attacks, and overall I felt like death. But I'm now remembering that back then I was popping them in higher numbers, and it was not during a coke binge. I was 5 entire days without one second of sleep, binging on an RC stim from hell. Of course sustaining the stimulation for that long meant that benzos where taken with each stim re-dose.
 
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Things last night took an unexpected turn. My will power was taken out of the equation. With 3 grams of coke still left, and me having every intention of devouring every bit of it... I developed a very painful inflammation in the soft part in the back of the roof of my mouth. It hurt so much that I struggled when swallowing my saliva. So having more coke dripping there was not something I could even consider.

@Hylight Yes, whole heartedly agree about sleep being a godsent in this kind of situation. Whether it is a stims issue or any other painful situation I always feel better after some sleep.
 
ahhh, the infamous "im so dehydrated swallowing thick saliva feels like ground up glass" mouth
 
ahhh, the infamous "im so dehydrated swallowing thick saliva feels like ground up glass" mouth
I wish that was it! No, I had constant sharp pain. Flesh was also coming out with the phlegm. I couldn't smell things around me. But I was smelling a distinct odor that was new to me, coming from inside my mouth, nose, and sinuses.

Much later I found that the stuff had almost zero coke. Or maybe like10 percent or so if I was to make a guess. A tiny bit was probably real, because it smelled exactly like Charlie.

The country I was visiting (Lebanon) turned out to be very well-known for being a coke cutting specialist in the regional market.

I am not an expert on fake shit, but I'd say it could have had some benzocaine or lidocaine for the numbing effect. And some RC I am not familiar with. It always made you feel like down and up at the same time. never just up. And comedown after stopping was not what you would expect at all. Almost no comedown.

My point is, it sucks and is dangerous. I hope my experience can be helpful to ppl here. bcuz flesh that stinks falling out of you is no bueno.
 
I wish that was it! No, I had constant sharp pain. Flesh was also coming out with the phlegm. I couldn't smell things around me. But I was smelling a distinct odor that was new to me, coming from inside my mouth, nose, and sinuses.

Much later I found that the stuff had almost zero coke. Or maybe like10 percent or so if I was to make a guess. A tiny bit was probably real, because it smelled exactly like Charlie.

The country I was visiting (Lebanon) turned out to be very well-known for being a coke cutting specialist in the regional market.

I am not an expert on fake shit, but I'd say it could have had some benzocaine or lidocaine for the numbing effect. And some RC I am not familiar with. It always made you feel like down and up at the same time. never just up. And comedown after stopping was not what you would expect at all. Almost no comedown.

My point is, it sucks and is dangerous. I hope my experience can be helpful to ppl here. bcuz flesh that stinks falling out of you is no bueno.
Ooooh boy thats rough dude. How was your withdrawal? Did you manage your Xanax and alcohol okay? Are you sobered up now?
 
The little bit of Xanax I had did not cause any dependence.

And to reply to your very last question... I didNOT yet quit. I came home from my travels to find high purity stuff. Stuff accessible through more than a few different sources. And much cheaper than the crap I was binging with abroad. I am really being tested here. Relapses are hard! After 9 years of no dependence except on smaller stuff like foods and anime and stuff like that, I am back with some powerful motivation towards the cola.

I only stop for 2 or 3 days max when my nose can't handle anymore. At this moment I am typing while very high off orally ingesting, which I had never thought possible in this way. Unfortunately high is accompanied fully with a feeling in my stomach that kind a feels like impending doom! Lke my stomach can start to give me major medical issues. I mean terrifying issues!

It is very difficult to say whether panic attacks scare me more or a stomach ulcer. I had an ulcer before from days of Modafinil. I was unable to even drink water. I literally.. as in not figuratively.. I mean literally using the word literally lost all awareness of time and just had space to to take up in panic and extremely sharp pain that feels like it is the core of your soul not just body. Stomach problems are in mine and many pplz opinion in a league of it's own among other body parts' when in distress...

On the other hand U have panic attacks. When they increase and start to come at times when you don't see any specific trigger. You can turn into a person losing their grip on their own personality and sometime even losing grip on basic autonomic function that even ppl in a coma have no issues controlling effortlessly.

Years ago, because of my binging using a stimulant whose name I won't mention, I went from having amazing, unbelievable fun, to insomnia (5 days and nights did not even sleep one literal second. This kind of sleeplessness of course usually leads to psychosis. Mine hit me like freight train. Anxiety was accompanying almost everything for most of my day. Social anxiety started to cause panic attack. Panic attack very quickly lead to me(9 out of ten time) not being able to look people in the eye) or speak to them any words except words that made me look either pathetic or pitiful( depending or a few factors). I spoke only as a cover, or to try and make way towards running away from that social interaction. Feeling like I needed to avoid the person I was interacting with with the motivation of me running for my life.

To keep a dark story short, things went downhill until I actually, and literally and absolutely without exaggeration was so confused about how people breath! Even when not panicking and even while I was alone wih no social pressure, I did not consciously or even worse, I did not deep in my behavioral habits understand how I need inhale and exhale in order to have normal human breathing happen automatically. Very often the second I was not making a conscious effort in inhaling and exhaling... I panicked and drew a blank and felt like I was having my limbs and my personality disappear bit by bit, very clearly in front of my eyes. All of that while feeling almost no hope of finding some direction in order to attempt fixing my situation. Breathing issues stayed with me for a couple of months. The longest lasting symptom/scar was my eyes not knowing where or how to look at the world ) through my daily interactions with ppl and even objects i was a confused mess. I would forget how to focus my eyes, except the kind of focus that you would see on an insane, very pity worthy and dramatically confused person.. I used to get frequent bouts where I panic and become engulfed in a struggle to grasp the mechanisms that relate to using my eyes. Not just focus and direction, but also I had an almost complete meltdown in my autonomic physical eye use when in social interactions. I would become in a panic over how my eyes should portray what I am feeling, or how eyes need to be to communicate my statements during dialogue with others.. Very often there was crippling confusion on how I should look with my eyes so that people around me can see in me some positive characteristic or other. As opposed to seeing my feelings of confusion that can lead to pity or lead to distance with others. These kinds of behavioral powerful issues were dominating my panic driven thoughts (on and off but regularly) for probably close to 3 or 4 YEARS! The situation became a little better towards the end. After making me carry fear and social/personal pain in my psyche for along an unfortunate period of my life.

I am now at this moment while typing the post, feeling a high and a distinct euphoria, a euphoria that carries pleasure almost fully lost on me because of anxiety from body issues (mainly stomach). An anxiety that intermittently dominates appears to fully dominate all other emotions.

I know my post and it's direction is contradictory.

This is because I have stuck myself somewhere bad of my own volition, and still feeling the need to salvage my self respect here a little, even if it is only done here in the forums by telling my whole truth in a way to show the scale of negativity around this type of drug use. I am doing this in hopes of another person finding in it deterrence, or some reason that would make them behave DIFFERENTLY than me. To be healthy and safe.
 
The little bit of Xanax I had did not cause any dependence.

And to reply to your very last question... I didNOT yet quit. I came home from my travels to find high purity stuff. Stuff accessible through more than a few different sources. And much cheaper than the crap I was binging with abroad. I am really being tested here. Relapses are hard! After 9 years of no dependence except on smaller stuff like foods and anime and stuff like that, I am back with some powerful motivation towards the cola.

I only stop for 2 or 3 days max when my nose can't handle anymore. At this moment I am typing while very high off orally ingesting, which I had never thought possible in this way. Unfortunately high is accompanied fully with a feeling in my stomach that kind a feels like impending doom! Lke my stomach can start to give me major medical issues. I mean terrifying issues!

It is very difficult to say whether panic attacks scare me more or a stomach ulcer. I had an ulcer before from days of Modafinil. I was unable to even drink water. I literally.. as in not figuratively.. I mean literally using the word literally lost all awareness of time and just had space to to take up in panic and extremely sharp pain that feels like it is the core of your soul not just body. Stomach problems are in mine and many pplz opinion in a league of it's own among other body parts' when in distress...

On the other hand U have panic attacks. When they increase and start to come at times when you don't see any specific trigger. You can turn into a person losing their grip on their own personality and sometime even losing grip on basic autonomic function that even ppl in a coma have no issues controlling effortlessly.

Years ago, because of my binging using a stimulant whose name I won't mention, I went from having amazing, unbelievable fun, to insomnia (5 days and nights did not even sleep one literal second. This kind of sleeplessness of course usually leads to psychosis. Mine hit me like freight train. Anxiety was accompanying almost everything for most of my day. Social anxiety started to cause panic attack. Panic attack very quickly lead to me(9 out of ten time) not being able to look people in the eye) or speak to them any words except words that made me look either pathetic or pitiful( depending or a few factors). I spoke only as a cover, or to try and make way towards running away from that social interaction. Feeling like I needed to avoid the person I was interacting with with the motivation of me running for my life.

To keep a dark story short, things went downhill until I actually, and literally and absolutely without exaggeration was so confused about how people breath! Even when not panicking and even while I was alone wih no social pressure, I did not consciously or even worse, I did not deep in my behavioral habits understand how I need inhale and exhale in order to have normal human breathing happen automatically. Very often the second I was not making a conscious effort in inhaling and exhaling... I panicked and drew a blank and felt like I was having my limbs and my personality disappear bit by bit, very clearly in front of my eyes. All of that while feeling almost no hope of finding some direction in order to attempt fixing my situation. Breathing issues stayed with me for a couple of months. The longest lasting symptom/scar was my eyes not knowing where or how to look at the world ) through my daily interactions with ppl and even objects i was a confused mess. I would forget how to focus my eyes, except the kind of focus that you would see on an insane, very pity worthy and dramatically confused person.. I used to get frequent bouts where I panic and become engulfed in a struggle to grasp the mechanisms that relate to using my eyes. Not just focus and direction, but also I had an almost complete meltdown in my autonomic physical eye use when in social interactions. I would become in a panic over how my eyes should portray what I am feeling, or how eyes need to be to communicate my statements during dialogue with others.. Very often there was crippling confusion on how I should look with my eyes so that people around me can see in me some positive characteristic or other. As opposed to seeing my feelings of confusion that can lead to pity or lead to distance with others. These kinds of behavioral powerful issues were dominating my panic driven thoughts (on and off but regularly) for probably close to 3 or 4 YEARS! The situation became a little better towards the end. After making me carry fear and social/personal pain in my psyche for along an unfortunate period of my life.

I am now at this moment while typing the post, feeling a high and a distinct euphoria, a euphoria that carries pleasure almost fully lost on me because of anxiety from body issues (mainly stomach). An anxiety that intermittently dominates appears to fully dominate all other emotions.

I know my post and it's direction is contradictory.

This is because I have stuck myself somewhere bad of my own volition, and still feeling the need to salvage my self respect here a little, even if it is only done here in the forums by telling my whole truth in a way to show the scale of negativity around this type of drug use. I am doing this in hopes of another person finding in it deterrence, or some reason that would make them behave DIFFERENTLY than me. To be healthy and safe.

I had three panic attacks trying to finish reading all of this. Sheesh buddy, slow your roll with the stimulants, they do you no good.

This gave me serious flashbacks of benzo withdrawal :eek:
 
I know, you are right. Also, heavy rants like that usually aren't my thing. I was just feeling it deeply last night. I felt really guilty posting only self serving questions concerning dangerous activities, without showing the danger. People and myself included, sometimes get motivated towards this or that when we read a post about someone's experience. And personally at those times I take negativity and warnings with more than a grain of salt. Usually seeking a go ahead, so I can get high, much more than considering the warnings. So I wanted to put my nightmare out there.

Dunno of these are the kinds of posts encouraged here. If mods think it was too much drama or not helpful, then please delete it. Even if technically it is allowed I would want to remove it.
 
I wish that was it! No, I had constant sharp pain. Flesh was also coming out with the phlegm. I couldn't smell things around me. But I was smelling a distinct odor that was new to me, coming from inside my mouth, nose, and sinuses.

Much later I found that the stuff had almost zero coke. Or maybe like10 percent or so if I was to make a guess. A tiny bit was probably real, because it smelled exactly like Charlie.

The country I was visiting (Lebanon) turned out to be very well-known for being a coke cutting specialist in the regional market.

I am not an expert on fake shit, but I'd say it could have had some benzocaine or lidocaine for the numbing effect. And some RC I am not familiar with. It always made you feel like down and up at the same time. never just up. And comedown after stopping was not what you would expect at all. Almost no comedown.

My point is, it sucks and is dangerous. I hope my experience can be helpful to ppl here. bcuz flesh that stinks falling out of you is no bueno.
IMO sounds like heavily levamisole cut coke that gave you an infection in the sinus lining. that IS worse than what i was thinking, sorry you went through that,
 
IMO sounds like heavily levamisole cut coke that gave you an infection in the sinus lining. that IS worse than what i was thinking, sorry you went through that,
Yeah I thought the exact same thing. Levamisole for sure. So much coke is cut with it and it’s so damaging to the body.

Please be careful @moka i would encourage you if you’re going to consume coke to get a testing kit to be a bit more safe.
 
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