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Getting high without drugs

Training( tricking )yourself to believe something is real in its purist form is the highest form of Magick....
Yes you can achieve extremely euphoric states but it ain't nothing like heroin, meth or coke.
 
This has just come to my mind.............

1) So you say by your own words you were a Hindu for some time, Now how can you go from doing Yantra work (and I DON'T mean the Aaiyyanist Tantric Yantra work) doing Pranayama breathing & Kundalini yoga, understand WHY Kali, Smashan Tara (In Tantra texts) look that way then go back to a Duality Faith based upon one "man" as I am really confused by that bit.

Kali will be coming for the Asura(s) that are in you & taking another head ;)

2) You understand The Tao & quoted people in the system I respect (I hate anything by Confucius as that ISN'T Tao & his to blame for Communism IMHO) & you must have tried with The Tao & you reject it? The Tao flows like water & it gives quite shocking results imho
You know what the Red army did to all the Taoist stuff in China btw?

How can you reject The Tao & turn back to Jesus? That blows my mind to say the least.

Iv read into everything, in practical terms i was more into Buddhism and Taoism. I attended a Buddhist temple for a time. Im not familiar with Yoga, and as i understand it isnt really a hindu tradition, at least not in its modern form. You said something about Chuang Tzu not being real, your prob thinking of Lieh Tzu who, it was speculated, was a figment of Chuang Tzus imagination (my memory is dusty). As for Confucius, he was incorporated into Chinese culture not least because the earlier Taoist modes of thought where, as you put it ''non dualistic''. Likewise Buddhism never clashed with Confucianism for the same reason. In cases where fascism emerges your non dualism cedes way like a bamboo in the wind. Nihilistic tendencies stem from non dualism, and so the libertine gives birth to the fascist. Chaos is a call to authoritarianism.

Moral subjectivism is appropriate to plantlife, but when they come for your children the objective prerogatives will seem real enough. Read 120 days of Sodom to understand how relativism is key to the abyss. As for the universe, the Hindus and Bhuddists articulated it beautifully (the way it was - and is still to some extent). They where right in depicting the dimensions and cycles of samsara, moving like a great grapepress of souls, only how to escape ? They conjured methods to cope at best. No system made from the beginning of time could free man from the weight of his own doings. Each soul tethered by its sin,or karma as you put it. Every act etched into the cosmic fibre of the universe. How can you ascend with such weight around your neck ? Every exercise you bring up is a dead end, methods to forget or hide from the simple truth, that you are in contract with death itself. The wages of sin is death, and you are born in it. Likewise the life is in the blood (known to every Hindu and Buddhist - which is why mass blood letting of animals and humans is standard to all cultures).

Blood, or things representing the same energy - are sacrificed to propitiate the gods of the abyss. The gods of death, who are worshiped in secret by every religion and denomination on earth, from Roman Catholics to Hindus to Wiccans. Beneath so many churches are caverns where the blood of the innocent is shed. Missing children, brought down to the pit by cohorts of the unseen power the world over. Go see what they do in the dark for your mother Kali in India, go see the oceans of blood at Gadhimai, ask about the thousands of children who are cut up for your great mother every year. You pretend to be wise to the world but you know nothing, you know nothing (or pretend to know nothing) about what is behind the nominal institutions of religion.

It was in this world of living death, with its great secret, that the God of life first rose up - YHWE God of the Isrealites, who saw what you did then and sees what you do now. It was him who waged the first wars to push back the dark, it was him who condemned the secret faith of the ages. It was him who defeated the cannanites and the amorites, and the egyptians and shook off the dirt of ages. It was him who made his people upright and active, to seek and destroy the purveyors of shadow. He then incarnated in flesh to die as an atonement for all sin, past present and future. God in flesh, shed his blood for the remission of all evil done by man, and insofar as we believe, our souls are absolved from this world. Seethe therefore ye serpents, as your time is short and THIS is the last cycle. The old system of transaction is at an end and a new covenant is upon us

Glory, glory, glory Hallelujah
 
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Exercise.

That, and other methods will ever achieve the heights that something like meth (for instance) might give, but you can have it every day with no loss of magic. Do you want quality or quantity?

Drugs are so much fun, though. :) Your milder and safer drugs strike a good balance. ;)
 
Exercise.

That, and other methods will ever achieve the heights that something like meth (for instance) might give, but you can have it every day with no loss of magic. Do you want quality or quantity?

Drugs are so much fun, though. :) Your milder and safer drugs strike a good balance. ;)

Yes, the runners high is real. So are cold showers ;). Not everyone will go for that tho, not right away anyway lol.

Ozone and hydrogen is incredible (bathing in ozonated water). Low level laser (wavelength aprox 660nm) is the real deal aswel, stimulates ATP production through the mitochondria, increases the bodies energy by around 30%. The wavelength needs to be aprox tho. Frequency modulation of the brain is a fascinating area of research, you can induce mild euphoria very easily (more euphoria than you get from allot of marijuana). It requires a frequency generator tho (standard audio wont work). Imbuing a substance with a desired effect is possible, homeopathy is real (the same as how you can making healing water or holy water through prayer). Radionics is another method. Doing such things in groups is reported to be more effective very often. I once listened to a Taoist priest (an actual one - Chinese folk religion) explain how they could make water that would induce bliss, or drive a person insane. Unfortunately the powers over this world do not want any such operation that exists beyond their dominion. If it doesnt fit into the trad systems, guarded by the secret societies and lineages (who are mostly involved in all manner of evil) then they work to shut it down.
 
Go see what they do in the dark for your mother Kali in India, go see the oceans of blood at Gadhimai, ask about the thousands of children who are cut up for your great mother every year. You pretend to be wise to the world but you know nothing, you know nothing (or pretend to know nothing) about what is behind the nominal institutions of religion.
STFU :)

𝗜𝗳 𝗞𝗮𝗹𝗶 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗠𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀, 𝗵𝗼𝘄 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝘀𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗲𝗽𝘁 𝗣𝗮𝘀𝗵ū𝗯𝗮𝗹ī (𝗔𝗻𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗹 𝗦𝗮𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗲)?
A question which is often asked these days is why do we need to worship such forms or a variant of it that God is all kindness and love, He or She can never demand a sacrifice.
Or that just Bhaktī to the Divine is enough, what need for all these “gruesome” methods?
This is a naive question born from a cocktail of ignorance and Abrahamic thinking. People tend to confuse a deity with human measurements and human sensibilities which keep changing every few decades.
From this stems another misguided query – how can a Mother (Devi) take pashubali? Of course, She can, and very often does.
When the texts colloquially call Her mother, it is mainly a kind psychological device of upasana to create a meaningful mode of interaction with what is essentially a terrific non-human Force.
Mahakali is a Mother for the capable sadhaka once She accepts the upasaka as Her child, but no amount of modern whitewashing can remove that blood-dripping Khadga from Her hands, nor change her lolling blood-red tongue or tame Her unstoppable vehemence.
Destruction is as much a part and parcel of Her domain as creation. It is very very important to realize that a deity is not like a human being, neither in their perspective of the universe nor in their eternal presence.
It is the upasaka who must adhere to the likes and dislikes of the devata as stated by the Shastras if one must safely approach the deity and not the other way round, that is, to expect the gods to bow before our limited mentality and weak emotionalism.
Hindus are perhaps the only race who have envisioned the divine in all kinds of forms, from the gentlest and sweetest to the most terrible and terrifying.
Even the flute-playing Krishna of Bhagwatam turns into a most deadly Viswaroopa form, so fierce that a warrior of Arjuna’s caliber shrunk into fear seeing that terror-inducing Cosmic manifestation.
The Devi Mahatyam describes the Divine Mahā Śaktī as the gentlest of all, Soumyati Soumya, and yet the fiercest of all, Ugratiugra.
A cursory reading of the Chandipaath shows extremely graphic details of the warfare that Chandika waged against the Asuric force, including descriptions where Chamunda and the matrika-s drink the blood of asuras and dance intoxicated to the rhythm of battle drums.
𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗕𝗵𝗮𝗸𝘁ī 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗻?
Bhakti is vital, but it is not enough. More important is Shraddha, a living faith in the efficacy of the path shown by the acarya-s and siddhas who gave walked before.
The aim of the Tantric sādhanas is to attain Mantra and Tantra Sīddhī, finally ending in a sīddhī or accomplished communion with the deity and for that exact steps are needed.
Even in the modern biographical narrative about the Aghori Pratap Mody as mentioned in a series of books called Aghora – at the Left Hand of God, we find that even a hardcore vegetarian Vimalananda had to offer meat and blood when Smashan Tara appeared in front of him during a midnight ritual in a cremation ground in Bihar.
If Bhakti were perfect nothing else would be needed, but such ideal bhakti is nowhere to be found in human beings, which is precisely why rituals and rules were made by the rishis and Sīddhas.
So any argument that Vāmacara Sādhana should replace Balīvīdhan is in direct contraction to the Sāstras and a clear recipe for failure of the Sādhana.
Even Ramakrīshna who towards the end of his life ate very less, and never anything non-veg would still offer his Namaskaras when a slice of meat from Balī was presented to him, for that, according to the Kali Upasaka, was prasada of the Divine Mother.
Those who are disinclined for such practices can always try the Daksīnacāra route, but at no point can anyone else, least of all an outsider with zero direct experience or achievement in this path, has any Adhīkara to pass judgment on what to do and what not to do, or try and change the practice of Pashūbalī, for these methods have been established by Sīddhas who walked before, and by their very lives demonstrated how this path leads to the higher communion with the devata, such that the very body of the sadhaka becomes a Yantra capable of holding Her infinite power, while the sadhaka’s mind becomes a constant Mantra.
In this manner the limited human is transformed into an unlimited living God and this indeed is mukti for the Tantra sadhaka.
Courtesy : Tantrācāra
 
STFU :)

𝗜𝗳 𝗞𝗮𝗹𝗶 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗠𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀, 𝗵𝗼𝘄 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝘀𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗲𝗽𝘁 𝗣𝗮𝘀𝗵ū𝗯𝗮𝗹ī (𝗔𝗻𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗹 𝗦𝗮𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗲)?
A question which is often asked these days is why do we need to worship such forms or a variant of it that God is all kindness and love, He or She can never demand a sacrifice.
Or that just Bhaktī to the Divine is enough, what need for all these “gruesome” methods?
This is a naive question born from a cocktail of ignorance and Abrahamic thinking. People tend to confuse a deity with human measurements and human sensibilities which keep changing every few decades.
From this stems another misguided query – how can a Mother (Devi) take pashubali? Of course, She can, and very often does.
When the texts colloquially call Her mother, it is mainly a kind psychological device of upasana to create a meaningful mode of interaction with what is essentially a terrific non-human Force.
Mahakali is a Mother for the capable sadhaka once She accepts the upasaka as Her child, but no amount of modern whitewashing can remove that blood-dripping Khadga from Her hands, nor change her lolling blood-red tongue or tame Her unstoppable vehemence.
Destruction is as much a part and parcel of Her domain as creation. It is very very important to realize that a deity is not like a human being, neither in their perspective of the universe nor in their eternal presence.
It is the upasaka who must adhere to the likes and dislikes of the devata as stated by the Shastras if one must safely approach the deity and not the other way round, that is, to expect the gods to bow before our limited mentality and weak emotionalism.
Hindus are perhaps the only race who have envisioned the divine in all kinds of forms, from the gentlest and sweetest to the most terrible and terrifying.
Even the flute-playing Krishna of Bhagwatam turns into a most deadly Viswaroopa form, so fierce that a warrior of Arjuna’s caliber shrunk into fear seeing that terror-inducing Cosmic manifestation.
The Devi Mahatyam describes the Divine Mahā Śaktī as the gentlest of all, Soumyati Soumya, and yet the fiercest of all, Ugratiugra.
A cursory reading of the Chandipaath shows extremely graphic details of the warfare that Chandika waged against the Asuric force, including descriptions where Chamunda and the matrika-s drink the blood of asuras and dance intoxicated to the rhythm of battle drums.
𝗪𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗕𝗵𝗮𝗸𝘁ī 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗻?
Bhakti is vital, but it is not enough. More important is Shraddha, a living faith in the efficacy of the path shown by the acarya-s and siddhas who gave walked before.
The aim of the Tantric sādhanas is to attain Mantra and Tantra Sīddhī, finally ending in a sīddhī or accomplished communion with the deity and for that exact steps are needed.
Even in the modern biographical narrative about the Aghori Pratap Mody as mentioned in a series of books called Aghora – at the Left Hand of God, we find that even a hardcore vegetarian Vimalananda had to offer meat and blood when Smashan Tara appeared in front of him during a midnight ritual in a cremation ground in Bihar.
If Bhakti were perfect nothing else would be needed, but such ideal bhakti is nowhere to be found in human beings, which is precisely why rituals and rules were made by the rishis and Sīddhas.
So any argument that Vāmacara Sādhana should replace Balīvīdhan is in direct contraction to the Sāstras and a clear recipe for failure of the Sādhana.
Even Ramakrīshna who towards the end of his life ate very less, and never anything non-veg would still offer his Namaskaras when a slice of meat from Balī was presented to him, for that, according to the Kali Upasaka, was prasada of the Divine Mother.
Those who are disinclined for such practices can always try the Daksīnacāra route, but at no point can anyone else, least of all an outsider with zero direct experience or achievement in this path, has any Adhīkara to pass judgment on what to do and what not to do, or try and change the practice of Pashūbalī, for these methods have been established by Sīddhas who walked before, and by their very lives demonstrated how this path leads to the higher communion with the devata, such that the very body of the sadhaka becomes a Yantra capable of holding Her infinite power, while the sadhaka’s mind becomes a constant Mantra.
In this manner the limited human is transformed into an unlimited living God and this indeed is mukti for the Tantra sadhaka.
Courtesy : Tantrācāra

Glad to see your not denying that your gods of the abyss accept tremendous blood sacrifices in the form of animals year on year. Nor is it merely kid goats that are offered up, but actual children, in their thousands - to appease your great mother and asage her wrath. Compare this to YHWE who accepted blood offerings for a time (as it was the established pagan custom) but constantly emphasized that virtue and righteousness where preferable to offerings. He continued in saying that offerings made to him by those who where wicked meant nothing to him. Then alas he incarnated and died as a final atonement such that no further blood be required upon the alter. Meanwhile your entire pantheon drink blood, because they are not gods but greater demons. All under the dominion of this androgenic Goddess of fertility and war, Kali to you, Innana to the Sumerians, Ishtar to the Babylonians, Astarte to the Greeks, Dianna to the Romans, Arduinna to the Gauls, Shekinah
to the so called Jews.

Re this Mother Goddess - she is Mary to the Catholics, all incarnations of the same mother of the underworld and lower heavens (identified clearly in Biblical scripture as Lucifer - a being of composite parts and faces). All receptacles for the blood of the innocent, be it through ritual murder in the open or concealed through medical jargon as with abortion. I put to you that your great mother is a glorified Rakshasa, as is your entire pantheon, who when faced with the evidence can doubt it ? For all your breathing practices and your yoga, for all your visualizations and high talk of ascension, your religion remains underpinned by the primal institution of mass murder and idolatry. Murder to propitiate the gods of the abyss. As with all religions of the world you are promised a slice of the pie for engaging with any of the given institutions and doctrines. You are in contract with death and with death shall be your portion. Doctrine once read is a dead letter, God is in heart not in your idols, or your temples or in any Church, nor even on any parchment. Nor is his power in mudras or chanting or any magical name. None have seen the father or the spirit, but he moves through the hearts to show us truth, such as the realization that salvation is not some byzantine system requiring of a Guru or a priest.


''For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord'' - Corinthians 19.31

I am familiar with your religion, and im not interested in dickwaving as i have nothing to prove. I know all about Guru biryani, and the path of Jalfrezi, and i was a level ten Nihari back when you where still a kid. Who do you think taught Guru Jnanadipa Biryani everything he knows ? Thats right kid, your speaking to the main man, the brhaman of ramen. In all seriousness tho, you strike me as something of a fetishist, you understand the outward forms, you have all the names memorized but you seem to lack the ability to discern truth from icons. I find few traditions within your patchwork are worthwhile, perhaps save the general ethos of Krishna which you should probably examine more closely. Who are the Kaliya among the Naga who Krishna dances upon ? Try not to get tied up with dogma and think to what forces in the world these images represent. Then maybe reconsider the bhagavad gita if you think non dualism to be the way forward. Whatever you do tho, do not continue to endorse this senseless violence, as no true god would desire for it





“Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do at all close their eyes to that man when he gives one of his children to Molech, and do not put him to death, then I will set my face against that man and against his clan and will cut them off from among their people, him and all who follow him in whoring after Molech'' - Leviticus 20.2-5
 
More people taking fiction/social control systems as, er , gospel (lol) and falling out over it, my god's better than your god, lmfao, shoot me now

It's like a microcosm of what's been wrong on the planet for the previous 2k years (minimum)

people who purport to be intelligent too, get a grip and have a word with yourselves

as if we, with our puny minds and barely into consciousness, can ever define 'God' - we can't even comprehend big numbers ffs - the human ego wayyy outta control
 
There you go talking about Biryani again like i dont know anything about it. And what exactly did i copy paste ?

Autism while incurable can be treated my friend. ;_0
So can egomania and paranoia ;)

Physician - heal thyself

( or some other such shite, but you'll know no doubt)
 
The question of questions. Can we get high, even achieve states of euphoria comparable to what is experienced on many drugs without actually taking them ? Or at least not taking anything toxic ? I believe so. It is possible for the conscious mind to control the bodies endocrine system, likewise the mind can create any number of sensations in dream states. Learning how to enter dreamstates at will (OBE) and manage dreams is a real and effective method to achieve any experience. It is also possible through group activities, and a kind of group meditation to manifest euphoria. Then are are more esoteric methods, using things such as Radionics, Homeopathy and so on. Here are some other methods to achieve altered states, deep relaxation and euphoria. I hope these will be of help to people in recovery, but also of interest to people more broadly

1. Oxygen
2. Hydrogen
3. Biophotomodulation
4. Baths/Saunas
5. Brainwave manipulation via EMF/Infrasound/Ultrasonic
We only feel normal brain cell activity because we do not allow god or universal natural energy to flow through our bodies and minds. That is why we feel the need to take drugs in the first place to become closer to god. Every drug you take represents some variation of what life would be like if you simply awaken or become a more conscious person in general and do things that go in the direction of nature like forming genuine and fulfilling relationships and not giving into social programming and inauthentic wants and desires that lead to self destruction and suffering. Once there is enough love energy spread throughout the universe we will all eventually feel like we are on drugs maybe even more so. Because drugs simply give you a sneak preview to your own enlightenment in this physical individual life that you inhabit temporarily.

Once we learn to heal our traumas and form a society that is loving and works together then we will automatically be able to experience these same things that we experience with drugs like being aware of higher universal truths and being able to see peoples auras and we would be able to feel things more. We will also feel completely euphoric all the time and we will feel those same feelings of love and connectedness that we feel on ecstasy or something like that. Or that super confident feeling like you can achieve anything or take over the world like on meth or cocaine. However it will more likely be better because we will be experiencing those things from a conscious standpoint where everyone’s on the same page instead of an unconscious experience where there is a discrepancy between what you are feeling and experiencing and what other people are feeling and experiencing. Not to mention the fact that there is an obvious component of disorientation associated with the drug experience which is most likely due to the toxicity factor as you mentioned. But I do think it’s important to remember that there is an over arching reality that drugs try to imitate and give a false or distorted image of. And I think we can attain this over arching reality as a collective species instead of desperately trying to get a glimpse of it over and over again with drugs while simultaneously distancing ourselves from that reality more and more because of the destructive nature of the drugs themselves. But that’s of course if you are addicted to them or take them excessively. However I question even recreational use as well because it is so easy to become dependent on a spiritual medicine and feel like that is the answer.

But the bottom line is yes I do believe you can achieve the same state of mind when you are sober and it might even be better because it will last longer and you are not discombobulated and confused and you have reassurance from people who you love that they are feeling the same things too. So if everyone feels the same in some way they cannot see eachother as crazy or mentally or being on drugs. They cannot say that you are crazy for thinking that you are god because everyone would feel like they are god.
 
We only feel normal brain cell activity because we do not allow god or universal natural energy to flow through our bodies and minds. That is why we feel the need to take drugs in the first place to become closer to god. Every drug you take represents some variation of what life would be like if you simply awaken or become a more conscious person in general and do things that go in the direction of nature like forming genuine and fulfilling relationships and not giving into social programming and inauthentic wants and desires that lead to self destruction and suffering. Once there is enough love energy spread throughout the universe we will all eventually feel like we are on drugs maybe even more so. Because drugs simply give you a sneak preview to your own enlightenment in this physical individual life that you inhabit temporarily.

Its interesting, one of Shulgins original names for MDMA was window. He remarked on how it gave a window into a potential condition of perfection. Should we ever enter into a glorified state or be remade i believe there will be something of the MDMA experience in it. To feel so clean as if reborn, reanimated in sync with our highest values. I could always tell when a person was undergoing such transformation. There was nothing quite like seeing people glow - if only in glimpses. I do hope our world will be remade in such a way as to bring this to every person, alas in the world as it stands there would seem to be forces that actively operate to denigrate our improvement as a species. There are unintentional causes of damage, but worse are those that seek to traumatize by design (as a tool of social control and soforth). The task of identifying and rooting out this inclination is something that must be done in the here and now. Through exposing and casting down demons we clear the way.
 
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