liquidocean
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People, let's keep this thread up and running, keep ourselves updated to the legality of purchasing GBL without all the headache the new law's gonna provide. Please add relevant responses and links to information.
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the bill is called H.R. 2130. Here is the link for the status update on it.
here is the link for the text of the bill. Please note that it refers to Ketamine as well.
Congress is reconvening at 12pm on Monday 1/24, no votes are expected til Thurs 1/27.
Here is erowid.org's GHB legality page
Here is GHB.org's links page
here are sites you can buy from at this current time:
List of Kit suppliers
Miracle Cleaning Products
the Cleaner Page
Here are a couple synths:
Rhodium Synthesis
Chem-r-us synth
Pelchat synth
Kitchen Synth
Please note that this information is not provided to aid or promote any illegal activity or consumption of any illegal materials. If you do so it is at your own risk. Consult you local laws.
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Quick FDA/DEA note:
the consequences of driving beneficial substances underground are-
1) Purity of substance becomes compromised.
2) Research into proper usage, dosage, and possible interatctions ceases
3) Control of product goes from medical industry to the street. Drug gets made in makeshift underground lab with little regard to purity or safety of surrounding area.
4) Underground black market arises from illegality. Results-supports organized crime, inflated prices, more violence, more smuggling, more drugs in mail system, rising elaborate distribution systems.
5) Users have to supplement income with crime to afford higher prices.
6) Substance takes on a certain vogueness due to its illegality, not to mention disproportional sensational media coverage.
7) Citizen's possible constitutional rights are infringed.
8) Jails are overfilled with drug offenders outnumbering violent criminals. Drug offenders get introduced into brutal prison way of life and come out harsher, more violent, more apt to scam, more knowledgeable about methods of crime, and more cynical nad embittered towards government and society.
9) Judges, prosecutors, and defense lawyers are confused on how to interpret these new laws, major discrepancies on enforcement.
10) Smuggling becomes the economically efficient way to replace domestic production, involving international conspiracy and traffick, as well as domestic. Concentrations of substance increase to make smuggling easier, i.e. smuggling refined, powdered cocaine instead of leaves.
11) Otherwise productive, smart, happy families are ripped apart by an insensitive agency bent on increasing its budget and making sure AMA economic priorities are the law of the land.
12) the general public remains poorly educated on substances they may ingest during their adolescent years. Heresay, word-of-mouth, misinformation and media lies replace sane education. I.e. ketamine as a "date-rape drug", ecstasy containing "heroin & cocaine", no warnings on the dangers of mixing GHB and alcohol. Current threat to sanity: the Methamphetamine Information Anti-Prolieration Act.
13) the age of the user shifts down to the younger, more vulnerable demographic.
14) communication is broken between child and parent in regards to substance due to legal status. Many times when a kid is arrested, the parents are the last to know. Many times the parents have no clue what the substance even is.
15) the context is shifted from medical, preventative, and theraputic to recreational.
16) Lawful citizens are turned into conspirators.
17) People return to the legal intoxicants (alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, prescription drugs), making them hypertensive, dehydrated, irritable, and violent, not to mention this little problem we have in the USA called drunk driving. Or to mention the amount of crime and assault that gets carried out under alcohol's influence. Fucking no-brainer.
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All of these effects spring from this knee-jerk reactionary response from the federal government. You think they would have learned their lesson with LSD, then you think they would have learned it with MDMA, no they really let the genie out of the bottle with that one.
Does the FDA/DEA have a think tank? How long until the first bad batch of GHB comes out and someone dies? How long until barhopping trendies in the West Side of Hipville USA decide to "be daring" and try something dangerous and illegal? How long until US Customs starts noticing massive shipments of GHB powder slip in through the borders? How many therapists will leave the country after frustrations with the attitudes of the government? How many bright minds?
Oh well, they got their money to combat "club drugs", which will probably be used on pepper spray, violent dogs, and taser guns. I guess this drug problem will be swept away under the rug and disappear.
It's sad, because i want to see the drugs out of the hands of kids, the inexperienced, the violent, the habitual abusers, the chronic addicts.
"When laws are created, then criminals arise" -Tao te Ching
"If a country is governed with tolerance, the people are comfortable and honest. If a country is governed with repression, the people are depressed and crafty." - Tao te Ching
"If you want to be a great leader, you must learn to follow the Way. Stop trying to control. Let go of fixed plans and concepts, and the world will govern itself. The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be. The more weapons you have, the less secure people will be. The more subsidies you have, the less self-reliant people will be." -Tao te Ching
lastly, "Governing a large country is like frying a small fish. You spoil it with too much poking" - Tao te Ching
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[This message has been edited by liquidocean (edited 17 January 2000).]
Please don't use your signature or reply without having something to add. Please add links as follows: {url="http://www.link.com"}here's the link{/url} ---replace { with [
the bill is called H.R. 2130. Here is the link for the status update on it.
here is the link for the text of the bill. Please note that it refers to Ketamine as well.
Congress is reconvening at 12pm on Monday 1/24, no votes are expected til Thurs 1/27.
Here is erowid.org's GHB legality page
Here is GHB.org's links page
here are sites you can buy from at this current time:
List of Kit suppliers
Miracle Cleaning Products
the Cleaner Page
Here are a couple synths:
Rhodium Synthesis
Chem-r-us synth
Pelchat synth
Kitchen Synth
Please note that this information is not provided to aid or promote any illegal activity or consumption of any illegal materials. If you do so it is at your own risk. Consult you local laws.
------------
Quick FDA/DEA note:
the consequences of driving beneficial substances underground are-
1) Purity of substance becomes compromised.
2) Research into proper usage, dosage, and possible interatctions ceases
3) Control of product goes from medical industry to the street. Drug gets made in makeshift underground lab with little regard to purity or safety of surrounding area.
4) Underground black market arises from illegality. Results-supports organized crime, inflated prices, more violence, more smuggling, more drugs in mail system, rising elaborate distribution systems.
5) Users have to supplement income with crime to afford higher prices.
6) Substance takes on a certain vogueness due to its illegality, not to mention disproportional sensational media coverage.
7) Citizen's possible constitutional rights are infringed.
8) Jails are overfilled with drug offenders outnumbering violent criminals. Drug offenders get introduced into brutal prison way of life and come out harsher, more violent, more apt to scam, more knowledgeable about methods of crime, and more cynical nad embittered towards government and society.
9) Judges, prosecutors, and defense lawyers are confused on how to interpret these new laws, major discrepancies on enforcement.
10) Smuggling becomes the economically efficient way to replace domestic production, involving international conspiracy and traffick, as well as domestic. Concentrations of substance increase to make smuggling easier, i.e. smuggling refined, powdered cocaine instead of leaves.
11) Otherwise productive, smart, happy families are ripped apart by an insensitive agency bent on increasing its budget and making sure AMA economic priorities are the law of the land.
12) the general public remains poorly educated on substances they may ingest during their adolescent years. Heresay, word-of-mouth, misinformation and media lies replace sane education. I.e. ketamine as a "date-rape drug", ecstasy containing "heroin & cocaine", no warnings on the dangers of mixing GHB and alcohol. Current threat to sanity: the Methamphetamine Information Anti-Prolieration Act.
13) the age of the user shifts down to the younger, more vulnerable demographic.
14) communication is broken between child and parent in regards to substance due to legal status. Many times when a kid is arrested, the parents are the last to know. Many times the parents have no clue what the substance even is.
15) the context is shifted from medical, preventative, and theraputic to recreational.
16) Lawful citizens are turned into conspirators.
17) People return to the legal intoxicants (alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, prescription drugs), making them hypertensive, dehydrated, irritable, and violent, not to mention this little problem we have in the USA called drunk driving. Or to mention the amount of crime and assault that gets carried out under alcohol's influence. Fucking no-brainer.
-------------
All of these effects spring from this knee-jerk reactionary response from the federal government. You think they would have learned their lesson with LSD, then you think they would have learned it with MDMA, no they really let the genie out of the bottle with that one.
Does the FDA/DEA have a think tank? How long until the first bad batch of GHB comes out and someone dies? How long until barhopping trendies in the West Side of Hipville USA decide to "be daring" and try something dangerous and illegal? How long until US Customs starts noticing massive shipments of GHB powder slip in through the borders? How many therapists will leave the country after frustrations with the attitudes of the government? How many bright minds?
Oh well, they got their money to combat "club drugs", which will probably be used on pepper spray, violent dogs, and taser guns. I guess this drug problem will be swept away under the rug and disappear.
It's sad, because i want to see the drugs out of the hands of kids, the inexperienced, the violent, the habitual abusers, the chronic addicts.
"When laws are created, then criminals arise" -Tao te Ching
"If a country is governed with tolerance, the people are comfortable and honest. If a country is governed with repression, the people are depressed and crafty." - Tao te Ching
"If you want to be a great leader, you must learn to follow the Way. Stop trying to control. Let go of fixed plans and concepts, and the world will govern itself. The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be. The more weapons you have, the less secure people will be. The more subsidies you have, the less self-reliant people will be." -Tao te Ching
lastly, "Governing a large country is like frying a small fish. You spoil it with too much poking" - Tao te Ching
------------------
Got a Question? Search Bluelight
Got a Question? Search the Hive
Got a Question? Search Erowid
Got a Question? Search the Lycaeum's EntheoCrawler
[This message has been edited by liquidocean (edited 17 January 2000).]
