iridescentblack
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I don't know how well this one will be received so it's not okay could I request that it please be moved to the lounge (or wherever it's appropriate). Thanks
So I was hoping to open up a discussion about this issue with open-minded discussion.
Unfortunately I don't have a lot of objective evidence to provide here but I'll try and stick to the facts just as well.
First off, I want to premise this with: "Have you ever known someone who claimed to have 'gay-dar'?" If it's not self-explanatory enough - it's seen as an intuitive skill. The reason for not calling it a psychic ability may be due to the scrutiny against the word. This next bit comes directly from wikipedia Gaydar - Wikipedia
Gaydar (a portmanteau of gay and radar) is a colloquialism referring to the intuitive ability of a person to assess others' sexual orientations as homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual. Gaydar relies on verbal and non-verbal clues and LGBT stereotypes. These include the sensitivity to social behaviors and mannerisms; for instance, acknowledging flamboyant body language, the tone of voice used by a person when speaking, overtly rejecting traditional gender roles, a person's occupation, and grooming habits.
The detection of sexual orientation by outward appearance or behavior is frequently challenged by situations in which masculine gay men who do not act in a stereotypically "gay" fashion, or with metrosexual men (regardless of sexuality) who exhibit a lifestyle, spending habits, and concern for personal appearance stereotypical of fashionable urban gay men
Further down the page I found this bit which seems to stand alone and I think the reasons why it isn't bunched together within a full paragraph could imply something.
"Other studies have found that men and women with body shapes and walking styles similar to people of the opposite sex are more often perceived as gay."
The page goes on to explain that "Gender-specific body movements are not reliably associated with a person's sexual orientation" and furthermore the studies that wikipedia listed seem to suggest that facial cues is the preferred method.
Whether a hobby, a habit, or some sort of acquired thing (be it a passive or active tendency) to judge a person's sexuality, I find it odd that any of these tests have ever been conducted. Following some of the blue links on the page I was able to gain a better understanding of what was going on here in order to superimpose some of the objective stuff over some of my own views. From a link from there I jumped to the false positive paradox and skipped to the psychology section. It appears in one study involving GPA's, students preferred individuating information vs general information. Could this be the culprit or perhaps the method to the madness?
So what's really going on here? Are delusions to blame? Is society at fault?
Mind you I do not condone the fallacy (or delusion is what I prefer) that gaydar is real at all. The same goes for identifying any orientation for that matter. The best way to affirm for yourself is to get that information from the person unprovoked...
And I think I have a feeling where a lot of the errors are coming from. Impatience alongside carelessness supports a delusion that a certain conclusion has been reached before it has ever gotten there. I know this firsthand as I get called a faggot almost weekly by people shouting out their car windows. I have, however, made almost no steps in defining what my sexuality is or supporting that in any way. I'm about as fluid as I can be without directly putting myself in danger. But being bullied by people seeing my Queen shirt doesn't really make me stare down at my feet or go out and buy a video camera to see what my gait looks like or practice speeches in front of the mirror to see how straight I can appear to look. I just don't care.
I also want to refrain from giving too many opinions here because I honestly don't know the long-term or even lifestyle repercussions of what it means to look at tendencies like they mean something definitive rather than arbitrary. But I also disagree with assumptions people make on body language wholeheartedly but there's a lot of factors to consider as to why a person would present themselves a certain way - and to open up a study on body language defeats the purpose and conducting a study without the person knowing is kind of immoral.
So I was hoping to open up a discussion about this issue with open-minded discussion.
Unfortunately I don't have a lot of objective evidence to provide here but I'll try and stick to the facts just as well.
First off, I want to premise this with: "Have you ever known someone who claimed to have 'gay-dar'?" If it's not self-explanatory enough - it's seen as an intuitive skill. The reason for not calling it a psychic ability may be due to the scrutiny against the word. This next bit comes directly from wikipedia Gaydar - Wikipedia
Gaydar (a portmanteau of gay and radar) is a colloquialism referring to the intuitive ability of a person to assess others' sexual orientations as homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual. Gaydar relies on verbal and non-verbal clues and LGBT stereotypes. These include the sensitivity to social behaviors and mannerisms; for instance, acknowledging flamboyant body language, the tone of voice used by a person when speaking, overtly rejecting traditional gender roles, a person's occupation, and grooming habits.
The detection of sexual orientation by outward appearance or behavior is frequently challenged by situations in which masculine gay men who do not act in a stereotypically "gay" fashion, or with metrosexual men (regardless of sexuality) who exhibit a lifestyle, spending habits, and concern for personal appearance stereotypical of fashionable urban gay men
Further down the page I found this bit which seems to stand alone and I think the reasons why it isn't bunched together within a full paragraph could imply something.
"Other studies have found that men and women with body shapes and walking styles similar to people of the opposite sex are more often perceived as gay."
The page goes on to explain that "Gender-specific body movements are not reliably associated with a person's sexual orientation" and furthermore the studies that wikipedia listed seem to suggest that facial cues is the preferred method.
Whether a hobby, a habit, or some sort of acquired thing (be it a passive or active tendency) to judge a person's sexuality, I find it odd that any of these tests have ever been conducted. Following some of the blue links on the page I was able to gain a better understanding of what was going on here in order to superimpose some of the objective stuff over some of my own views. From a link from there I jumped to the false positive paradox and skipped to the psychology section. It appears in one study involving GPA's, students preferred individuating information vs general information. Could this be the culprit or perhaps the method to the madness?
So what's really going on here? Are delusions to blame? Is society at fault?
Mind you I do not condone the fallacy (or delusion is what I prefer) that gaydar is real at all. The same goes for identifying any orientation for that matter. The best way to affirm for yourself is to get that information from the person unprovoked...
And I think I have a feeling where a lot of the errors are coming from. Impatience alongside carelessness supports a delusion that a certain conclusion has been reached before it has ever gotten there. I know this firsthand as I get called a faggot almost weekly by people shouting out their car windows. I have, however, made almost no steps in defining what my sexuality is or supporting that in any way. I'm about as fluid as I can be without directly putting myself in danger. But being bullied by people seeing my Queen shirt doesn't really make me stare down at my feet or go out and buy a video camera to see what my gait looks like or practice speeches in front of the mirror to see how straight I can appear to look. I just don't care.
I also want to refrain from giving too many opinions here because I honestly don't know the long-term or even lifestyle repercussions of what it means to look at tendencies like they mean something definitive rather than arbitrary. But I also disagree with assumptions people make on body language wholeheartedly but there's a lot of factors to consider as to why a person would present themselves a certain way - and to open up a study on body language defeats the purpose and conducting a study without the person knowing is kind of immoral.
