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Stimulants fluoroamphetamines: good alternative to adderall?

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ispahan69

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Hey,

I am trying to replace adderall by something else (as adderall causes me anxiety) and got my hands on both 4 FA and 4F-MPH that I will try soon. From what I understand 4FA is more euphoric while 4F-MPH has a more long lasting effect. My usual dose of adderall is 45mg (ir)/1 intake

My questions are the following:

- If you have already used 4FA, did it give you more focus + euphoria at low doses (around 80-100mg)?
- From experience do you know what dosage of 4FA or 4F-MPH would be more or less eauivalent to 45mg of adderall?
- Finally, if you have already combined adderall + fluoroamphetamine, what were the effects? (there is also an ongoing debate of the risk of neurotoxicity/ serotonine syndrome caused by this combo and would love to get the opinion of people who've used it).
 
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Ive never used it but you might wanna look into possible neirotoxicity from regularnuse i think i heard somehing about that check out trip reports there is a bunch if reports
 
I'd never use 4-FA as an Adderall replacement. Not only is it more rolly, you're gonna find daily use will cause the same anxiety and crashes, if not much worse.
 
Youre better off trying 3-fpm, its a mellow high that doesnt disconnect you to much. Also takes a low dose to get a desired effect, i class it as a practical stimulant like vyvance. I used it alot in high school great as to me it had no come down and its would never cause me any issue's unless you abuse it
 
No comparison...Adderall is a clean burning high, functional, focused, not necessarily "recreational" unless you take a moderate-high dose....4-FA is like a weird Ecstasy-type stimulant/high (and a lot more new/less studied than good old dextroamp)
 
I think the safety of all the fluoro- amps AND 3-FPM is questionable at best for daily use compared to regular amp. I would not make this change. I would try working with my current Adderall script. 45 at once is a lot. Why not 20 twice a day?
 
I transitioned from Adderall to Dex and while it's definitely the superior drug, I do find it less useful for certain tasks.
 
Thanks for your replies guys! Would you say that Dex has a more potent mood lifter effect than Addy?

My issue is that I get anxiety side effect from adderall as soon as I take it and therefore can't enjoy the benefits of adderall by taking it on its own. I used to do an adderall + ectasy or MDMA combo and it worked perfectly for me, it made me just relaxed enough to be able to focus and be productive, but as I am worried about the risks of mixing drugs, I wanted to find one drug that could have the same effect as both adderall + ectasy/MDMA combined, hence why I got 4 FA/4 FPM.

Would you say adderall + MDMA/ectasy would be safer than 4 FA?

@Ergan: Is 3 FPM supposedly safer than 4FA/ 4FPM?
 
Dex is a lot, lot harder to get scripted nowadays unless you've got a great relationship with your doc or have been on it for a while already. Vyvanse is the practical alternative, or focalin xr if your doc won't do amphetamines.

And just from the feel of it(which isn't definitive), unless you are shooting 100mg+, then there is no way that 3-FPM isn't probably the safest RC/functional stim out there, including the phenidates.
 
I don't think it is a good idea to treat any research chemical as a medication.
There is no quality control in regards to impurities, contamination - even that what you are buying is what it says on the label.

More to the point, most of these drugs have never been approved for clinical trials - let alone proven safe for regular or daily (or any) use.
They can also be banned or scheduled at any time, so they're not really a good thing to become reliant on using.

Also, stimulants tend to cause anxiety and tension; it's par for the course, more or less. Have you discussed this issue with your prescribing doctor?
 
d1nach said:
Ive never used it but you might wanna look into possible neirotoxicity from regularnuse i think i heard somehing about that check out trip reports there is a bunch if reports
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humans aren't rats and all, but 4-fa was never found to be neurotoxic in rats
 
Holy shit man, you're talking about using Adderall and MDMA *for daily use*?

I'd rather use Adderall and a benzo, which is a horrifying dual-addiction to have, than Adderall and MDMA. Fuck I'd rather just use "low dose" meth everyday, from a mental health perspective.

*Any* stim is going to carry anxiety with it eventually. If you're trying to capture that early "confidence with no anxiety" effect, I hate to tell you but it's probably gone for good.
 
Indeed.
MDMA would be absolutely useless (and extremely bad for your mental [not to mention physiological] health) if taken daily.
Also, extremely expensive.

I think the OP really needs to think about what they are hoping to achieve with this; for the most part, "recreational" drugs (RCs or illicitly synthed "street drugs") simply cannot be used safely as replacements for medication.
 
white55 said:
humans aren't rats and all, but 4-fa was never found to be neurotoxic in rats
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Thanks! Good to know!

Nah, sorry guys, I didn't explain clearly. I am not using mdma every day but once per week at most (usually, once every 2 weeks), when the anxiety really quicks in. As for benzos, I just don't tolerate them. I had xanax once (it came from a pharmacy and I only took one), and it literally made me fall asleep within 15 minutes against my will in the train in the middle of the day -which never happens to me as I actually have trouble sleeping-..
The train company staff eventually woke me up 5hours late.. so would never use benzos again..

I guess adderall is just not a good med for me but it is better than nothing.

I will look at other alternatives then 4FA in the long term though
 
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The problem with Dex is that when you're very used to the pushiness of Adderall, you can easily feel like the Dex isn't "doing anything"
 
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