RCs Flubromazolam

[JackARoe]

There are so many horror storys surfacing about these 2 now that nobody in his right mind should even think about ordering them. Please do yourself a favor and leave them alone

Thanks Zerwas, you just saved me from making a mistake. I don't use benzo's really, but like to have a few on hand to come down from an occasional trip. I had been using etizolam and 1 mg works fine. It took me 2 years to go through 30 of them. So naturally I was curious about some of these others. But they seem too strong really based off of what a few posters like yourself have said, I don't want amnesia or my brain erased. I actually hated that effect from too much diazepam when I was younger.

Thanks again, this is demonstrated harm reduction. It stopped me by reading your experience and I appreciate it.

 

[Sychonautx]

Anyone saying Pyrazolam is a safe-fire should think again. Pyrazolam is a triazolo benzo, just like Alprazolam, Flubromazolam and Clonazolam etc. Its great for Anxiety and short use but dont over do it. Down to personal experience, dose near 3-5mg of this and you will enter Amnesia hell.

In my opinion, the best 'RC' benzos to take after extensive research on all of them would be Flubromazepam or Diclazepam. I prefer the Flubromazepam.

 

[hatrix]

Anyone saying Pyrazolam is a safe-fire should think again. Pyrazolam is a triazolo benzo, just like Alprazolam, Flubromazolam and Clonazolam etc. Its great for Anxiety and short use but dont over do it. Down to personal experience, dose near 3-5mg of this and you will enter Amnesia hell.

In my opinion, the best 'RC' benzos to take after extensive research on all of them would be Flubromazepam or Diclazepam. I prefer the Flubromazepam.

Tolerance plays quite a role to amnesic affects. I can take up to 20mg of etizolam and remember everything throughout the night... tolerance is a bitch. I'll be stumbling around, but I'm completely lucid.

 

[spacejunk]

I thought of dosing just as needed e.g. when feeling really anxious, or PAWS caused by methadone withdrawal.

This is almost exactly where i fucked up with flubromazolam.
I was going through opiate (not methadone, granted) PAWS, and found myself using benzos frequently - so frequently, that i was soon physically dependant; which is far scarier than the habit i was already working through conquering.

Several months of using this stuff gave me more problems than all my years of drug taking (including ~10 dope habit) combined.
No exaggeration!
I'm talking WD seizures (when i guess i forgot to take a dose), ambulance to emergency, psychosis (no prior history), psych ward.
Followed an inpatient detox and a lengthy supervised taper.
It made coming off opiates seem like a breeze (i kicked opiates at home, never attended detox/rehab/NA or anything like that).

On top of that is the fact that i have huge holes in my memory from the period i was using flubromazolam.
I forgot important things at work, forgot events i had attended, conversations i'd had, things i had done and pretty much everything that happened over the course of a few months.
Its a really unsettling thing to experience.
Especially when you forget to dose, and wake up in an ambulance.

Besides being so much more dangerous and unpredictable - i really think your situation (which is similar to where i was at) is a particularly risky plan, for several reasons.
For one thing, if you are experiencing opiate PAWS, you are already in a really vulnerable place, in regards to addictive behaviours.
If you plan to dose when you feel anxious, you may well find reasons to take a dose much more often that you anticipated - due to the struggle with addiction you are already engaged in, as well as the sedating nature of benzos (which works dangerously well for opiate PAWS) - both of which are compounded by the tendency to black out, redose, realise that you've been dosing daily for days, weeks, months etc etc.

I'm better now, but it took the best part of a year from my initial downward spiral into benzo addiction to get back to a position of focus and self control. Before kicking opiates, benzos held little appeal to me - and i was fully aware of how dangerously addictive they are - but i came across stupid quantities of f-lam powder, and spent several months out of my mind - before scaring the shit out of all my friends and family with the seizures and two weeks in hospital.
On top of all of that is my memory, which is still not the same.
I'm not the kind of person that normally says "stay away from this shit - its just dangerous" - because i have always been adventurous with drugs. But i learned a tough lesson with this RC.

 

[JackARoe]

^ Thanks for your experience too Spacejunk. You too helped me stay away. I don't need strong benzo's, just a few mild ones. These horror stories are really something else.

 

[daveykronick]

I took 150mg of this chem in attempts to end my life... Obviously didn't die, but instead blacked out for 3 days and completely DESTROYED my room, like a tornado went off.. Had no recollection of anything and one very, very pissed family... I also take buprenorphine (subutex) and some other meds, but even with all that in my system never stopped breathing. So I have to agree that benzo are basically impossible to OD (unless you have another downer and have no tolerance to it or a mix of a bunch of downers avoid opiods on this one fellas...

 

[Sugababe]

Ive bought 100 of these in 1000mcg, they gave me amnesia and blackout, but i didnt got busted before i went back to the rehab im currently at - on the day after! Still thinks it was because i had a fever and was pretty sick. Didnt pass a clinical test, but was SO sure to pass the urine sample - well, I didnt. Anyone with an idea of WHY this was showned? Some guy who was here gave me different RCs on blotters, but he never wanted tell me what it actually was. These never showed up on drug screens, and I took a lot of them! Both blotters and the drug screen -urine samples now i have almost 40 flubromazolam blotters on 1000mcg left, and i have no idea what to do with them..
WHY did they show??

 

[Zerwas]

I guess because it is a Benzodiazepine and its metabolites are equal as detectable as those from say for example Diazepam. It is expected to show on a drug test.
1mg per blotter is also a huge dose. This substance made me blackout at 0,5mg. Throw it away, Flubromazolam is really fucked up stuff.
It may seem condescending but I do not mean it that way: Please do not take unknown substances, it is reckless and could lead to serious problems.

 

[I B Profane]

This is almost exactly where i fucked up with flubromazolam.
I was going through opiate (not methadone, granted) PAWS, and found myself using benzos frequently - so frequently, that i was soon physically dependant; which is far scarier than the habit i was already working through conquering.

Several months of using this stuff gave me more problems than all my years of drug taking (including ~10 dope habit) combined.
No exaggeration!
I'm talking WD seizures (when i guess i forgot to take a dose), ambulance to emergency, psychosis (no prior history), psych ward.
Followed an inpatient detox and a lengthy supervised taper.
It made coming off opiates seem like a breeze (i kicked opiates at home, never attended detox/rehab/NA or anything like that).

On top of that is the fact that i have huge holes in my memory from the period i was using flubromazolam.
I forgot important things at work, forgot events i had attended, conversations i'd had, things i had done and pretty much everything that happened over the course of a few months.
Its a really unsettling thing to experience.
Especially when you forget to dose, and wake up in an ambulance.

Besides being so much more dangerous and unpredictable - i really think your situation (which is similar to where i was at) is a particularly risky plan, for several reasons.
For one thing, if you are experiencing opiate PAWS, you are already in a really vulnerable place, in regards to addictive behaviours.
If you plan to dose when you feel anxious, you may well find reasons to take a dose much more often that you anticipated - due to the struggle with addiction you are already engaged in, as well as the sedating nature of benzos (which works dangerously well for opiate PAWS) - both of which are compounded by the tendency to black out, redose, realise that you've been dosing daily for days, weeks, months etc etc.

I'm better now, but it took the best part of a year from my initial downward spiral into benzo addiction to get back to a position of focus and self control. Before kicking opiates, benzos held little appeal to me - and i was fully aware of how dangerously addictive they are - but i came across stupid quantities of f-lam powder, and spent several months out of my mind - before scaring the shit out of all my friends and family with the seizures and two weeks in hospital.
On top of all of that is my memory, which is still not the same.
I'm not the kind of person that normally says "stay away from this shit - its just dangerous" - because i have always been adventurous with drugs. But i learned a tough lesson with this RC.

Thanks for sharing your experience. Congrats on getting off the stuff.

I haven't touched f-lam in a while, it's really a nasty drug. It's a harrowing feeling, waking up and realizing that you have almost no memories from the past month. Or in your case, several months.

I'm happy I got off while the getting was good. In the month or so that I was messing around with this stuff, I managed to somehow break several important, expensive things (including my laptop), I made a complete ass of myself in front of my entire family, sustained many bruises, cuts, scars, just from stumbling around like an idiot. I fell on my head and now have a big scar on my forehead, thankfully my cognitive abilities remained intact but it's quite hard to talk to girls on the first day of school with a big gaping scar on your forehead.

I could go on, but the truth is that I don't remember most of it. The amnesia is the scariest part. There is a very thin line between a 'recreational dose' and completely blacking out, and it's easy to take a bit too much. It takes a while to kick in, and the tendency to redose is strong, even if you know it isn't wise. The amnesia hits HARD. If you combine this chem with alcohol, you can say goodbye to the idea of retaining any memories (also, you'll probably stumble a lot and make a mess of yourself.)

I just felt like I'd also chime in and say that I give this chem 0/10, I can see no applications for it in which another benzo would work just as well. This is the strongest benzo I've ever taken (my friend called it 'the Goku of benzos') but that is by no means a good thing. This can fuck up your life. I have a friend now who is currently trying to taper from a 5mg per day habit (which is a MASSIVE habit, it sounds excessive but I've seen this guy take 20mg+ of f-lam powder to the face, tolerance is crazy.) I have another friend who lost his girlfriend to this stuff.

It's been said before, but I'll reiterate. If you obtain a large amount of this chem and use it regularly, your experience is most likely going to end either in jail, the psych ward, or in rehab. This is the chemical that made me give up on RC benzos and obtain a legitimate Clonazepam script. I cannot emphasize enough how dangerous this stuff is. Proceed with caution.

 

[Hodor]

Ive bought 100 of these in 1000mcg, they gave me amnesia and blackout, but i didnt got busted before i went back to the rehab im currently at - on the day after! Still thinks it was because i had a fever and was pretty sick. Didnt pass a clinical test, but was SO sure to pass the urine sample - well, I didnt. Anyone with an idea of WHY this was showned? Some guy who was here gave me different RCs on blotters, but he never wanted tell me what it actually was. These never showed up on drug screens, and I took a lot of them! Both blotters and the drug screen -urine samples now i have almost 40 flubromazolam blotters on 1000mcg left, and i have no idea what to do with them..
WHY did they show??

If you compare the structures for Flubromazolam and Alprazolam (Xanax), you'll see they're a pretty close match (especially if you consider that chemically, Br and Cl are closely related), and with Triazolam the similarity is even more striking... basically, any urine dipstick test designed to be able to detect Xanax is also going to be able to detect F-Lam.

The stuff that didn't show was probably Etizolam, which doesn't show up on a lot of tests, being a Thienodiazepine rather than a Benzodiazepine.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I got a bunch of flubromazolam .5 green pills at the beginning of the month, they were excellent.

Now for the time ever, I take a drug that is not LSD or DOB on blotter, I have quite a lot, clonazolam 1mg and flubromazolam 1mg blotter.

I don't know if it's tolerance. But the blotter seem weak. The clonazolam had the taste that chewing a .5mg pink tablet had, or like nitrazepam or clonazepam, it does leave a a cold taste under the tongue, I guess it's related to clonazepam enough to keep that taste nitrobenzodiazepines leave in ones throat.

There's a place that only sells to central europe it seems with Nitrazolam, I'm really mad at them at not wanting to deal with us up here, all of them are unscheduled.

Guess my next foray will be the 2mg white 3-hydroxy-phenazepam pills. But I will also stop taking so many blotters and see if i get into withdrawals because I can't believe this stuff would be weak considering where it is from, and how both benzos are dosed at 1000ug.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I guess because it is a Benzodiazepine and its metabolites are equal as detectable as those from say for example Diazepam. It is expected to show on a drug test.
1mg per blotter is also a huge dose. This substance made me blackout at 0,5mg. Throw it away, Flubromazolam is really fucked up stuff.
It may seem condescending but I do not mean it that way: Please do not take unknown substances, it is reckless and could lead to serious problems.

I guess because it is a Benzodiazepine and its metabolites are equal as detectable as those from say for example Diazepam. It is expected to show on a drug test.
1mg per blotter is also a huge dose. This substance made me blackout at 0,5mg. Throw it away, Flubromazolam is really fucked up stuff.
It may seem condescending but I do not mean it that way: Please do not take unknown substances, it is reckless and could lead to serious problems.

Not really. Diazepam lasts for a long time in the body, in fact its pro drug for nordazepam (which is sold by itself, well rx'd, in some countries, Tranxene (clorazepate barely does anything until first pass metabolism where it turns into nordazepam also). I consider Tranxene a good drug when tapering valium at the smaller doses. Anyway, the others it leaves (Temazepam, then Oxazepam)...well uh, they're in such tiny quantity, they do not matter. Nordazepam/desmethyldiazepam is the culprit here.

Flubromazepam, did not make me test positive for bromazepam or whatever it metabolizes into, i think some lorazepam is a metabolite. I'm one of the rare people who loves flubromazepam as much as f-lam, they're for different purposes.Anyway, my bupe/methadone clinic barely piss tests me anymore after almost 3 years, they know I never have speed or coke in my blood, nor alcohol, if i have thc, its because I had a bowl with my brother once in the last 30 days or so, I smoke homemade hash a lot with my brother about once every 60 days, when he's not on a plane or in spain or whatever for work). They don't give a shit about THC and my benzo scripts , valium 10mg bid and restoril 30mg prn are allowed by my psychiatrist. Those magic benzos actually made it easier not to take ridiculously large doses of methadone when I was on it, I was ok when I was at 60mg, which is the max I got at.

In any case, most clinics piss tests cannot differentiate benzos, they can't even differentiate opiates for me. Once they "caught" me, the nurse I saw before seeing the doctor told me,"what's wrong TRO? You always tell us the truth, you got an opiate in you pee test. And it was from a couple Fiorinals with Codeine, that I took for the butalbital, certainly not the codeine while I was on methadone then. It was old meds my neurologists gave me with a triptan for my trigeminal neuralgia type II. They understood, the reason I ever got into this whole ORT mess is because of circumstances with my pharms dealer and lack of a dentist who's a specialist of the jaw to see me, now I got one, and in the next couple months, I have to be able to get rid of bupe, to switch to generic oxycontin 60's and say goodbye to these horrible opioids (methadone gave me really bad side effects, bupe, the same, in fact I believe bupe should only be used for 3 month or less detoxes.

 

[IndianSea]

Meh, I received this over the weekend and already regret purchasing it. Even .25 mg doesn't "feel right" for the daily combat of anxiety and I have a tolerance to pretty much every benzo RC out there. I took it alone yesterday by the way and I can say it has quite the bodyload compared to its siblings. I take 6-8 mg etizolam + 3 mg clonazolam daily and actually function somehow. I'm doing well in school and communicate with people slightly better. I'm reclusive otherwise. I kinda wish I would have just purchased diclazepam, which I've tried before and begin the weaning process. The only problem with diclazepam is that my tolerance is so strong, I feel nothing. Basically, taking it should keep me from convulsing but that is about it. It would bring me back to stage one of my GAD eventually.

Edit: Also, does anyone else have a really weird and noticeable comedown from this stuff? I know everyone is different and your comedown may not relate to mine but it feels more like a scattered brain, stimulant comedown for ME... It's just very odd. I don't feel paranoid or anything like that. I know how paranoia from a benzo dependence comedown feels like and that is much more awful than a scatter brained comedown by miles unless it causes you to make a stupid decision such as crossing a street at the wrong time. I'm just stating my personal experience. If you don't get this type of comedown, please don't get riled up. Every experience report is beneficial to a community such as this in one way or another. I feel safety should be just as big of a concern on this board as it is on erowid. Erowid also doesn't seem to keep up with RC benzos very much.

 

[TheBlackPirate]

Let me preface this repeating comments other people have made.

This chemical isn't worth purchasing. Other safer alternatives exist. Get something else. This chemical lacks significantly unique effects and the risk associated with working with this chemical is high.


I think I received this chemical misrepresented as alprazolam. I never ever consume benzodiazepines recreationally and haven't got any tolerance. After using this chemical on three separate occasions over the past month these are the observations I have from my journal.

• The effects of small doses differ from the effects of larger doses. Small doses (~100ug) produce anxiolytic effects and easy sleep. Larger doses (~250ug) produce amnesia, confusion, euphoria, and sedation. Sleep isn't as restful on larger doses.
• At large doses (>250ug) tolerance builds quickly and hangovers occur. An individual large dose produces both tolerance and hangovers.
• People vastly over dose this chemical. My observation is most people taking this chemical either have heavy benzodiazepine tolerance or develop and immediate tolerance from an initial overdose. With little or no tolerance flubromazolam is ~6 times as strong as clonazepam.
• I estimate the therapeutic window in benzodiazepine naive individuals as ~40-150ug. Personally, in retrospect, I won't exceed ~100ug taken infrequently.
• The duration of the the peak effects is ~12-15 hours. Lingering effects last much longer. Most of the lingering effects are gone after 2 days. The total duration is shorter than clonazepam.
• The chemical is soluble in ethanol.
• Large doses of this chemical cause terrible hangovers. I expect recreational users frequently taking >400ug daily could experience withdrawals requiring hospitalization if they discontinue suddenly. Sudden discontinuation of large doses could cause death.
• This chemical has the most foul bitter poisonous taste of any chemical I previously used.

I should also mention medical journals have reported life threatening adverse reactions from doses as low as 3mg as mentioned here.


TLDR: Don't take flubromazolam. Get something else better.

 

[itsonlyme123]

Strong stuff. I did quite a lot of mcat so was wired, coupled with ghb withdrawal. Laid in bed 3 hours shaking and sweating my bits off when I remembered I had 5 of these in my drawer which id got using "gratis points.'' I necked 3 and don't remember much else until waking up, I think, about 7 hours later. I had the remaining two over the course of Monday and had a pretty easy ride compared to the usual curling up in a ball and hiding away from the world when I'm on the back end of a bender.

I usually don't sleep for 3 days when I'm in g withdrawal. I think they could be handy to have hanging about for exactly this reason.... just stocked up.

 

[Chips]

Did try one pellet of 0,250mg... first I took half of it quite early in the evening and.. wow I did got a very anxiolytic state with few to none hypnotic effect (only few jaws..). I feel I was close to loose my own willing but finally it was ok (strange feeling anyway)
Then I finished the whole pellet and felt sleeping...

I feel like with 3/4 of a pellet would put me in blackout as i got easily taking clonazolam...

This is another alien benzo...

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

Even if the feds don't pull the plug, I notice you can't rely on a specific vendor for very long. There is always something going wrong. Sometimes they don't take credit cards anymore and only
Money orders or bitcoins. I've had vendors disappear completely in the past leaving me with nothing and I'm sure a lot of people were left hurting terribly from withdrawals. You can never expect a certain vendor to be there forever and you can usually tell when they're about to pack it up and go away. If you're completely out of benzos, you are completely fucked. I have to keep reminding myself I can't rely on these vendors forever. I'm only fooling myself thinking they will last. I wouldn't recommend getting caught up dealing with RC vendors, not reliable at all. Maybe only for a little bit.

 

[johnlesliemackie]

Best benzo ever. I can easily acquire flunitrazepam at a reasonable price; but flubromazolam is way more potent, borderline euphoric and with a long duration, which is a problem for some but not for me.

I never buy large amounts though, or exceef 0.5 mg (unless I'm on a stim comedown).

This benzo did, by the way, accelerate my buprenorphine wd, not merely by eliminating my avolition -- thus enabling me to activate myself, mentally and physically -- but also allowing me to get some, considering the context (i.e., wd), quality sleep.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

The psychopath in charge in the UK that has put in this blanket law on april 6th (but now the vendor I deal with for something else better than flub-lam (norflurazepam) is saying that they now will take orders only on the 1st because the announcements are always vague and now they say the law will be applied in "spring" and now they tell me that there's more changes and it's going to be a 28 day notice really..anyway messing with my head.

Thankfully google translate exists and Scandinavia is around. But I'm buying as much norflurazepam as I can, it is a mild but very long lasting one, it's an active metabolite of a ton of other benzos, like 15 or such, from common ones to less known ones. The brits doing this is really rustlin da jimmies (this had to be resuscitated only for this occasion..I mean it really hurts. I got a bunch of diclazepam and a little clonaz from england already coming, but by regular mail, it's actually safer is my understanding, at least these days, although legal, customs are being bitches about anything in pill form since a good year up here.

Btw, I just realized Quazepam is available in the US (brand name Doral). I'm sure asking for this to your doctor would give you no problem, and this is the benzo that does not mess with REM sleep (it is an hypnotic, for sleep). Norflurazepam is a metabolite of it too.

Quazepam would help a lot of people and it's really not a hardcore sleep medication, I'm kinda mad its not available here in Canada. But our list of available benzos is pretty short compared to the US. Our only bonus is bromazepam being available.

 

[pally pete]

Taper to begin after tonight.

I took 5mg FlubromazoLAM (10 x 0.5mg pellets) tonight and feel next to nothing. Contrary to popular opinion, I've always found FlubromazoLAM weak in comparison to Clonazolam. I had no tolerance to either of these a month ago. 1.5mg floored me like no other Benzo before (I've tried around 20 ish different Benzos) - 3mg of Clonazolam now I hardly feel. That's after 2 weeks of almost daily use. Some days I have a break and alternate Benzos at a more sensible dose.

As for FlubromazoLAM; I've tried this from various reputable vendors, and IME I find it very weak! I took that 5mg over an hour ago, I should not be coherent!

After tonight he Diclazepam/Diazepam taper begins. Any tips/advice? As the doseage equivalency between Benzos nowadays seems very inccurate.

Thanks for any help.