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First time taking E with heart condition advice needed.

Cowboy Mac said:
It doesn't matter what her history is, don't even contemplate it! If she died you would regret it and wish you could have changed your decision; well here is your chance, don't do it in the first place! I cannot stress this enough!
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I know, it was to have no impact on my views stressed re- taking MDMA, but I was wondering none-the-less.

Morphee, hypertension and a heart transplant on critical meds are quite different ailments ! Still, glad its all good :)

Winsom
 
hi im the 17yr old heart transplant chick, thanks for all your replys its really made me think alot, one of you asked whats my drug history, i can drink alcohol & i do alot, ive smoked weed heaps in the past, and i smoke ciggies so yeah... once again thanks heaps to all of you who have replyed with opinions and info!
 
thank you all for your advice, she has read the thread but still wants to peak. is there anything differant that is not a stimulant that can give you that feeling? im thinking of K but any other advice?
 
btw im thinking K in very baby lines you know when your just all floaty etc and not tranqed.. what do you guys think?
 
Q-tRiXxX, knowing you smoke ciggaretts makes me sad, and I'm sure your donor would aggree. I'm glad we got the right msg accross :)

Winsom
 
are you going to be her dealer vinosil ?

I'd read up on some medical books to get your bearings if you are to drug her. I doubt anyone here will "advice" a heart transplant patient to take any amount of anything. Imagine how they'd feel had something go wrong and they said, oh sure, "X" amount of "X"X will be OK.!
 
as far as i'm aware ketamine should have no negative effect for her heart conditions.. please correct me if i'm wrong! i would also like to know conflicts it can have with her current medication. i'm here to help my friend, this is about harm reduction, ketamine will do harm on anyone i just want to know if her heart condition will create more risks.. if BT or phase dancer could supply some input it would be grateful because i've learnt a lot from the information they've supplied.
 
please convince her otherwise. there is so much more to life than drugs, she has been givin a 2nd chance dont let her fuck that up.

for her sakes and for YOURS.
 
It's her responsibility to ask the doctor who prescribed her current medication if new drugs she wants to take with them will have adverse interactions. Her doctor will tell her not to take drugs.

BigTrancer :)
 
vinosil80 said:
as far as i'm aware ketamine should have no negative effect for her heart conditions.. please correct me if i'm wrong! i would also like to know conflicts it can have with her current medication. i'm here to help my friend, this is about harm reduction, ketamine will do harm on anyone i just want to know if her heart condition will create more risks.. if BT or phase dancer could supply some input it would be grateful because i've learnt a lot from the information they've supplied.
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There are some situations where "harm reduction" isn't feasible, and your friends situation is one of these. Harm reduction means taking steps to reduce the potential for harm caused by drugs. The only HR I can advise to your friend is to totally avoid drugs. The risks in taking recreational drugs for your friend is much greater than any perceived benefits.

Virtually all the recreational drugs place a load on the heart, some moreso than others. Amphetamines, MDMA and cocaine are particularly bad, but ketamine is also known to put a load on the heart when used in anaesthesia. It can elevate blood pressure and pulse, or alternatively can sometimes drop blood pressure and pulse. Ketamine can also cause arrythmia (a disturbance in the hearts electrical rhythm that can be serious/fatal).

Your friend was extremely lucky to get a heart transplant - not everyone who needs one gets one. They don't call them "the gift of life" for nothing. It might be worth her spending some time thinking about that before she decides whether she wants to risk her life on a couple of hours of fun.

BTW this should have been posted in the Health Q & A forum, but given that all the health mods have now commented there's probably no point in moving it.:)
 
she's CRAZY!!!! i wreckon if it doesnt kill her it'd go close to it! (or at least make her fucking sick! It makes my heart race and i have no health conditions (apart maybe from an air head!!!) If you are a good mate, you WILL talk her out of it!
 
Well, I know when I want to do something, noone will stop me. I get the idea that Q-tRiXxX WILL want to and WILL try something. Q-tRiXxX Did you get my PM, what did you think of that ?

If you are dead-set on trying something, PLEASE just go see a Doc. Just walk on up and spell it out to him. Tell him you are going to do it and what is the BEST advice he can give you.

LIFE is too important to risk, and given your circumstances I hope you have the friends and company that can make your soul rise without drugs.

I think above drugs, is LOVE. Find that person, and share it :)

Winsom
 
What really scares me is that MDMA is an imuno-suppresent and the fact that she has someone else's heart in her... well, if I need to spell it out for her, maybe she should just do it anyway, i mean. Who cares about consequences of something so fragile?

Let alone the possibility of multiple chemical interactions with the medications she's already on 8)
 
I appreciate that my suggestion is of limited value, but maybe if Q-tRiXxX is so eager to experience a substantial mind-alteration, then rather than consuming anything amphetamine-based she should try a high dose of 5-HTP combined with smoking weed (which she appears to do anyway). This won't quite be of MD intensity, but 200-400mg of 5-HTP, with some pot, will definitely contribute to a mild, mellow bender, and is a lot safer than MD or K. The prednesolone will contribute too, as it utilises the same liver enzyme system to be metabolised, so the prednesolone can be safely increased from 5mg to at least 12.5, and more (eg 25mg) if followed by gradual step-downs back to 5mg.

Oh yeah, and although I'm not a doctor, I so far have 5 years of medical training under my belt, and I would highly recommend that Q-tRiXxX should not use amphetamine-based drugs. :)
 
thanx for the advice, but how mind altered will weed and 5htp get you? i don't see the relation, anyway what about salvia and weed?
 
Just because they're both natural plants, doesn't make them both safe for someone with a heart problem to use in any dosage. This thread has really gone way off course - it's more about minimum-impact highs now, which are a fine idea for consenting adults in good health. However, please keep in mind that we're discussing;

a) a 17-year-old teenage girl
b) who has a congenital heart problem
c) which requires 3-monthly medical checkups
d) who drinks alcohol, smokes tobacco and cannabis
e) and has never tried E before

Personally I believe that she can have equally as good a time using recreational drugs that she knows she is comfortable with. Is she just persistently seeking the unattainable because this is the nature of teenagers to want to continually test the limits applied by their parents/peers? Alcohol and cannabis can contribute to an almighty altering of consciousness, if used in the right way, and they have pretty predictable effects on the body.

Quite simply there are very few people here who could give you reliable advice on taking illicit drugs in her condition. The information doesn't really exist - because funding doesn't exist for studies like this, because nobody in their right mind would take E when they have had a heart transplant and are on medication to stop it being rejected by their body...

But, clearly the existence of this thread indicates how persistent (i.e., "she has read the thread but still wants to peak") she is being with regard to this query. So, I will close by observing that applying a small amount of drug knowledge to a situation that requires a large amount of medical knowledge, is NOT harm reduction. It's also not harm minimisation to repeatedly ask the same question (with the drug name interchanged) in the face of the same answers every time, particularly in this instance. I applaud you for trying to help her out by seeking all the information, but she really needs to remember what is at risk, and reconsider the position of reponsibility she is putting you in. If I was you, I would say "what am I, your doctor?" and handball her straight to her specialist to do some personal real research into the matter, rather than waiting for someone to present her with a pill and some info, and absolve her of responsibility for her actions.

BigTrancer :)
 
omg i cant beleive i am really reading this shit..... fucking hell the girl gets a 2nd chance at life and now wants to risk it by trying a fucking ecstacy tablet? for fuck sakes how dumb are you? If your willing to risk your life and surley do some damage to your replacement heart then go rite ahead. But if i was in your situation i'd be high every day without taking anything just thinkin about how lucky you are to be still alive and to have a working heart.


gees i cant beleive this shit...........My neighbour is a 30 year old girl and she used to do alot of pills in her younger days and now she has heart problems and needs to eat the rite sorta foods/drinks so it keeps here heart rate down and she is a healthy girl and did have a perfectly EXCELLENT heart! So imagine what it would be doing to your replacement heart.

Stupid idea to even think of taking it!!!! DO NOT TAKE IT.

If your still going to consider taking it after reading all these post, Please ask your local doctor what he thinks and ask what it can do to you if you were to take it!!

BE SAFE EVERYONE!
 
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