film: fahrenhype 9/11

[JTMarlin]

You can say I am being hypocritical on things, and I may be, but I'm not in front of a huge crowd who will take everything I say as fact.

 

[alasdairm]

i don't buy that at all and i think that's sidestepping the issue. in one case the speaker is manipulating the audience, in another he's not.

how do these celebrities engineer such a specific audience?

alasdair

 

[wanderer21]

Originally posted by wanderer21
I agree--college doesn't "make you smart", but it does make you more intellectual.

not necessarily. it may give that impression but it's not automatically true. i'm reminded of the pub scene in 'good will hunting'.

Originally posted by wanderer21
To make an accusation of calling someone unintelligent when you haven't even gone the distance (and interest in yourself) to expand your own mind isn't saying much for a person. It makes you look even more uneducated than they are.

how do you know he's not expanded his mind? there are many ways to learn - attending college is only one of them.

again, attending college doesn't automatically make somebody smart. not attending college doesn't automatically make somebody not smart.

alasdair

Dude, I'm sorry...but college does impact your intelligence in so many ways. It's not just the subjects you study, but it changes your mindset to the world. Of course it doesn't automatically make someone intelligent, but it does increase your intelligence and does increase your learning capacity and it does expand your mind.

I bet if you were to talk to college grads about 6 months to one year after graduation they would tell you that they learned so much more than they ever thought they did or would have learned.

Living in the information age during an educational boom, I find it unacceptable for someone trying to become a political icon to not be educated and then on top of that call someone who has years upon years of education stupid. Like I said before, there are several ways to attach Bush's policies (and this isn't CE&P so I won't get into it) besides calling him stupid.

I totally agree with you that not all intelligent people go to college...I think it's a waste of their brain, but that's a different story. But, I feel as if anyone who has graduated college has expanded their mind and intelligence levels.

Yes, some research things on the internet and read lots of books etc etc., but high school/college/grad school/post grad school are a lot more than reading, writing and arthmatics...There's so much more to it that I can't even put the words on it.

 

[alasdairm]

i agree with some of what you're saying here. i'm challenging the general assertion that people who go to college are automatically smarter than those who do not. that's all.

further, like most things, this boils down to your definitions of smart, intelligent, etc.

alasdair

 

[Mazey]

there are 2 versions
# 1 http://www.fahrenhype911.com
# 2 http://www.fahrenheit911.com
where do you stand ?%)