Misc fiarly decent, non addictive phenibut substitute

[throatgorge]

l-glutamine + l-lysine + fasoracetam
l-glutamine, is the brain's precursor to GABA, and many people find that it can cause a bit of euphoria when taken in high doses, on an empty stomach.
l-lysine is needed to convert l-glutamine into GABA within the brain, and can be fairly sedating and mood altering on its own.
fasoracetam (sp?) in addition to being a (rather expensive) racetam type nootropic, causes the brain's GABBA to be used by the GABA b receptors, the same receptors that GHB, Phenibut, and to some extent Gota Kola use. It is thought to be non addictive since it creates this sensation in a different way than GHB or phenibut use.
report: I've been using fasoracetam rather infrequently. Some people say in high doses it will get you high, but I have used much higher doses than the standard 50 mg (as high as 250) an noticed no difference. It definitely produces a familiar sensation in my head, but the effect is terribly subtle.
Took about 5 grams of l-glutamine last night with l-lysine, did not notice much of a head change. took l-lysine again to help get good sleep.
Took 2.5 grams of l-gutamine this morning with no l-lysine on an empty stomach. At around 1/2 hour, while cooking, I began to notice a heavy, pleasant head change quite consistent with gabanergic drugs.
I went to get some fasoracetam and noticed only a very subtle shift in the feeling. Not very long lasting, and rather subtle, but close enough for me not to be tempted back to the more druglike choices.

 

[Doctor.K]

Very interesting report, I will do a bit of research on this myself, thank you for your information.

 

[kangaroojackaroo]

If you (try the combo again, make modifications, etc) and get better results, let us know.

I find that this could be interesting.

I am curious if it would cause any significant damage to GABA sites or sodium ion channels; or its effect on NMDA...

 

[throatgorge]

cool, well, there's a bit of a tolerance as far as the l-glutamate goes. I am reporting back, as I requested, with more to report. I just got some powdered l-glutamate, so I can try a higher dose without washing down endless pills. I had 7.5 grams of l-glutamate, vitamin b-6, and lysine to start with. This time I thought I'd see how it went with kava, so when I felt the change begin I downed a quick micronized powder Bula Kava House 11 year waka. This kava isn't the strongest I've had in terms of making me feel kind of drunk and bow legged, but has a really nice empathogen/anxiolotic componant, and for all I know, six tablespoons (my usual kava dose) might be way stronger. The 11 year kava is just as strong at two tablespoons as regular stuff. I have a feeling if I took more it might make me nauseated though. It isn't a knock out type buzz the way isa or tudei kava is, but it has become my favorite. using my l-glutamate stack with the kava has definitely made the sedation and the head buzz a great deal stronger. Feels more like kava at this point than phenibut. There really isn't a prosexual componant either, which was the main kick I got out of GHB and phenibut, when that stuff was available. However, for a really powerful buzz and euphoric relaxation, this has done the trick nicely. ALSO I think I should weigh in on the whole GABA not-getting past the blood brain barrier thing-----> take it on an empty stomach with niacin (I use real niacin, not niacinimide-- stronger!) and inositol, and it works great. Absolutely not just the inositol and niacin alone that does this. About a gram of GABA, four grams of inositol, and enough niacin to just make me flush a little REALLY feels great. Right now the kava buzz is actually kind of overpowering. Quite enjoying experiment #2.