Fentanyl.. you’ve heard it all before

[_Chillz305]

Hey, BL tonight I’m going to introduce a situation which seems common today in hopes to start a dialogue to help myself and others who have been or are trying to figure a way out of this position. I am trying to detox off fentanyl.
I don’t do it to get high, I am trying to feel sane and maintain.

I have been using suboxone for a week doing the Bernese method, slowly introducing the sub in small .5-1mg increments and smoking my fenty through any signs of precipitated Wd.
A couple months ago I went through a terrible time where I fed myself waaay too much sub and was sick for 24 hours. I think I might be traumatized in some ways.
Tonight was the first evening after taking 1mg of suboxone, that I went for a walk to get away from the dope. In an about an hour the weird feelings I associate with precip are getting intense. It feels like a bad shroom trip or something always I worry about becoming physically ill if I don’t smoke a bag. Thankfully a friend is there to talk me through the anxiety. I wrote in my journal that I was feeling shaky, cold and mentally unwell during that hour. I ride it out as long as I can, but We smoke and I feel better. I know I will not be throwing up tonight.
I am taking every day with a grain of salt because I do not know what to expect from the suboxone.
My friend is also doing it too and is taking 2mg already, and claiming a world of better feeling. Says she will cut the dope in a few days.
Anyways, I can only speak for myself but I know I am voicing for everyone when I say this is a hell of a mental force to deal with. I am not sure how much of it it mental for me or is it really precipitated withdrawal and I’m just making myself sick every time I take my microdose of sub and if I don’t smoke to cure myself what will happen?

I am going to keep taking the suboxone the way I am, if anyone wants me to elborate I can. I would like any advice I can get.

I am doing this my self , but my fiance is in a blind detox center, where I actually think he’s getting methadone. He will be in for 10 days and has outpatient care lined up so we are serious about our recovery. I need to be getting myself off this shit and paving the way I can’t let my anxieties over rule my body. Writing this post helped me find an outlet tonight and I feel better because I’m getting my thoughts out, please continue the thread if you I have anything to say. I’ll keep posting
if it helps me

Also I speculate I have developed a pelvic disorder because I am always having trouble using the restroom. I’m sure it has everything to do with these drugs, I’ve experienced symptoms before when addicted to H. It stopped when I got clean. I am going to a specialist in a few weeks If anyone can offer any advice on this topic I’m also willing to elaborate. It is just hard to use the restroom and I am constantly constipated cannot relax poop without screaming it out, and have had bladder pains for no reason.

 

[Nas47]

Fent have even stronger binding affinity for mu receptor even from bupe.Realy strong stuff.Cannot imagine what kind an animal is carfentanyl.Sadly that you are in such position.its hard really.This in Canada and States are crazy thing.Me personaly abuse in the past,but this was patches-bucally.Above 5mg daily almost a year.Never again wanna touch this.I hope that you can find the right pat.May be methadone is better option for you than subs?

 

[_Chillz305]

I don't have much another choice but to continue the Bernese method with suboxone for now. That is all I have available. I have 8mg strips I have used before to combat oxy, but this combination of fenty I am using also came up for MDMA so I am unfamiliar with that.

At least until Thanksgiving, or once my fiance is back and we can look into more options. For now Im planning to increase my sub a little to maybe 1.5mg or 2mg total tomrrow morning and see how badly it makes me feel. I will have to smoke to feel ok. But I have read Some ppl say this method works so Im staying hopeful. Even tho I feel confused that the only thing that helps me feel better is what I need to stop.

 

[_Chillz305]

I just wrote in another post about people trying Bernese, but BL said I wasn't logged in and deleted everything I typed.. rookie mistake.

Anyways i’ll just keep it here now to keep this log going for y’all.
The 2mg of suboxone didnt go as planned this morning. I woke up feeling super sick I guess because I’m tapering fast and needed to smoke. I tried to take sub anyways but spit most of it out as I couldn’t not puke. i’m not sure yet if I should try to take another dose of sub in the evening and smoke thru it. I’m just really not sure what the Suboxone is doing for me at this moment besides making me incredibly precipitated no matter what

I’ve cut my use down drastically since my fiancé is not here which explains why I woke up feeling bad.. but Im also now not sure wether the bad precipitated experience I had with Suboxone in August has sabotaged my receptors in a way that throws me into a world of hurt every time I take my sub dose..
I had been taking .5mg for a week before getting to 1mg yesterday and even that still makes me ill, it did get better over the course of the week but I just can’t think my body wants 2mg of sub any time soon…

I’m currently working with an interventionist to find a detox program with my insurance just in case because I ultimately need to get clean for my husband who is going into outpatient care and doing TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) therapy once he is detoxed to get care for his addiction depression ptsd and abuse disorders. We are truly madly in love and I just wanted him to get help he needed. I keep being told that I am a strong person which makes me think I can do the Bernice method, but maybe I should really listen to my body? does it ever get better?

Since the last thread I tried to post on about Bernese has gone quiet since June, so if anyone’s currently attempting it now please feel free to talk with me

 

[_Chillz305]

Fent have even stronger binding affinity for mu receptor even from bupe.Realy strong stuff.Cannot imagine what kind an animal is carfentanyl.Sadly that you are in such position.its hard really.This in Canada and States are crazy thing.Me personaly abuse in the past,but this was patches-bucally.Above 5mg daily almost a year.Never again wanna touch this.I hope that you can find the right pat.May be methadone is better option for you than subs?

Thank you for your reply. I am considering that the Suboxone might not be right for me at this moment because I’ve taken a terrible toll on my receptors in this past year.
This is definitely something That makes me reconsider addiction it used to be fun and games before fentanyl got involved

 

[Nas47]

I just wrote in another post about people trying Bernese, but BL said I wasn't logged in and deleted everything I typed.. rookie mistake.

Anyways i’ll just keep it here now to keep this log going for y’all.
The 2mg of suboxone didnt go as planned this morning. I woke up feeling super sick I guess because I’m tapering fast and needed to smoke. I tried to take sub anyways but spit most of it out as I couldn’t not puke. i’m not sure yet if I should try to take another dose of sub in the evening and smoke thru it. I’m just really not sure what the Suboxone is doing for me at this moment besides making me incredibly precipitated no matter what

I’ve cut my use down drastically since my fiancé is not here which explains why I woke up feeling bad.. but Im also now not sure wether the bad precipitated experience I had with Suboxone in August has sabotaged my receptors in a way that throws me into a world of hurt every time I take my sub dose..
I had been taking .5mg for a week before getting to 1mg yesterday and even that still makes me ill, it did get better over the course of the week but I just can’t think my body wants 2mg of sub any time soon…

I’m currently working with an interventionist to find a detox program with my insurance just in case because I ultimately need to get clean for my husband who is going into outpatient care and doing TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) therapy once he is detoxed to get care for his addiction depression ptsd and abuse disorders. We are truly madly in love and I just wanted him to get help he needed. I keep being told that I am a strong person which makes me think I can do the Bernice method, but maybe I should really listen to my body? does it ever get better?

Since the last thread I tried to post on about Bernese has gone quiet since June, so if anyone’s currently attempting it now please feel free to talk with me

I am not aware of this Benese method.Never tried subs before,but soon i will have inpresssions.Got a some bupe patches.Will use them after a few days when i finished my oxy.On what dose fent is you.I am from Europe and all that stuff whats happening in US and Canada is a bit scary.Heres fent available on patch form,vials and sublingual tablets,And even this are rare.Only available opioid is methadone and eventually tramadol on prescription cat 3.Wish you luck

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Just popped in to say hope you are doing okay. Can't really post much on the subs and fent problems but I can offer a kind word.

So...........kind and happy thoughts coming your way !

 

[_Chillz305]

Just popped in to say hope you are doing okay. Can't really post much on the subs and fent problems but I can offer a kind word.

So...........kind and happy thoughts coming your way !

Thank you for that!
I decided that I am checking in to a detox today.
All I want is to start on the road to living sober and I realized how badly I could be hurting myself by attempting something like the Bernese method with no medical guidance.. Every time I took suboxone I was just making myself worse off.
So I hope that by reading this anyone who is struggling right now and who may be going thru something similar can know they have options.
I was able to find a detox within network of my insurance and will be going for $0 in FL. All I can say is that I’m feeling so much better knowing I’m staring on the right foot in beating the addiction cycle.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Thank you for that!
I decided that I am checking in to a detox today.
All I want is start on the road to living sober and I realized how badly I could be hurting myself by attempting something like the Bernese method with no medical guidance.. Every time I took suboxone I was just making myself worse off.
So I hope that by reading this anyone who is struggling right now and who may be going thru something similar can know they have options.
I was able to find a detox within network of my insurance and will be going for $0 in FL. All I can say is that I’m feeling so much better knowing I’m staring on the right foot in beating the addiction cycle.

Fanfuckintastic. Good on you man. Stay strong, take as much help as you can and good luck ! If you have access to your phone....keep us posted, please. Godspeed .

 

[_Chillz305]

I am not aware of this Benese method.Never tried subs before,but soon i will have inpresssions.Got a some bupe patches.Will use them after a few days when i finished my oxy.On what dose fent is you.I am from Europe and all that stuff whats happening in US and Canada is a bit scary.Heres fent available on patch form,vials and sublingual tablets,And even this are rare.Only available opioid is methadone and eventually tramadol on prescription cat 3.Wish you luck

Suboxone can be very helpful in beating oxy, I hope you find it works for you. Best of luck!

& yes the situation with fent here in the US and just in my local area is terrible and heartbreaking. It is so common to find fent in everything you get on the street here. So many people have unknowingly walked into the worst addiction of their life

 

[_Chillz305]

Fanfuckintastic. Good on you man. Stay strong, take as much help as you can and good luck ! If you have access to your phone....keep us posted, please. Godspeed .

Not sure if I’ll be with a phone, but I will be there for 7 days. Im sure I will definitely be frequenting Sober Living page once I am out. Thank you for your replies and caring! Having this as an outlet helped me so much through the roughest patch.

 

[Nas47]

Just popped in to say hope you are doing okay. Can't really post much on the subs and fent problems but I can offer a kind word.

So...........kind and happy thoughts coming your way !

Thank you.Kind word open doors.That say oldpeople in my place.Be in n peace and God bless you!

 

[Nas47]

Thank you for that!
I decided that I am checking in to a detox today.
All I want is to start on the road to living sober and I realized how badly I could be hurting myself by attempting something like the Bernese method with no medical guidance.. Every time I took suboxone I was just making myself worse off.
So I hope that by reading this anyone who is struggling right now and who may be going thru something similar can know they have options.
I was able to find a detox within network of my insurance and will be going for $0 in FL. All I can say is that I’m feeling so much better knowing I’m staring on the right foot in beating the addiction cycle.

Its good that you are find a detox.Go on.You are not alone

 

[Nas47]

Suboxone can be very helpful in beating oxy, I hope you find it works for you. Best of luck!

& yes the situation with fent here in the US and just in my local area is terrible and heartbreaking. It is so common to find fent in everything you get on the street here. So many people have unknowingly walked into the worst addiction of their life

Sadly indeed.

 

[n3ophy7e]

Thank you for that!
I decided that I am checking in to a detox today.
All I want is to start on the road to living sober and I realized how badly I could be hurting myself by attempting something like the Bernese method with no medical guidance.. Every time I took suboxone I was just making myself worse off.
So I hope that by reading this anyone who is struggling right now and who may be going thru something similar can know they have options.
I was able to find a detox within network of my insurance and will be going for $0 in FL. All I can say is that I’m feeling so much better knowing I’m staring on the right foot in beating the addiction cycle.

That is great to hear!! I wish you all the absolute best with it

 

[_Chillz305]

Hey I’m popping back in to update,
I never made it to detox the mf’s never called me back after deciding my insurance copay was 6,000$ (after someone quoted me $0) so I left to stay at my moms place for the week, I have been here eating healthy and trying to get out of the house a lot, walking, doing things I don’t usually do & having routine is helping me taper off the fent.
I am using significantly less than I was before, but I still have no luck taking suboxone. A small dose 0.5mg always throws me into withdrawal if I don’t smoke by 2 hours later I’ll be a sweaty puking mess…
So I was wondering about subutex instead. I used the strips with naloxone before and I’m wondering if anyone has better experience with straight subutex? I would like to attempt to Bernese method with subutex, as that is what they are doing with my husband at the detox. I understand the science behind subutex and Opiate receptors, and I plan to abstain for fentanyl for as long as possible before starting subutex.
My husband is also not doing very well at the detox, he has been severely ill for about a week, they had to give him his medical marijuana in the detox because it is the only thing that gives him relief. He is coming off prescription drugs, gabapentin and Zoloft, that I don’t think the detox clinic has experience taking people off those things. They were trying to cold turkey him but I made sure he got his medication‘s given to him, and once he is out of the detox he will be seeing a psychiatrist regularly who will help taper him off those prescriptions.

The main point of this TLDR is that I need to get off fentanyl because my husband is coming back from detox off of fentanyl as well, and I am wondering if Subutex might be a better choice?

 

[Nas47]

Hey I’m popping back in to update,
I never made it to detox the mf’s never called me back after deciding my insurance copay was 6,000$ (after someone quoted me $0) so I left to stay at my moms place for the week, I have been here eating healthy and trying to get out of the house a lot, walking, doing things I don’t usually do & having routine is helping me taper off the fent.
I am using significantly less than I was before, but I still have no luck taking suboxone. A small dose 0.5mg always throws me into withdrawal if I don’t smoke by 2 hours later I’ll be a sweaty puking mess…
So I was wondering about subutex instead. I used the strips with naloxone before and I’m wondering if anyone has better experience with straight subutex? I would like to attempt to Bernese method with subutex, as that is what they are doing with my husband at the detox. I understand the science behind subutex and Opiate receptors, and I plan to abstain for fentanyl for as long as possible before starting subutex.
My husband is also not doing very well at the detox, he has been severely ill for about a week, they had to give him his medical marijuana in the detox because it is the only thing that gives him relief. He is coming off prescription drugs, gabapentin and Zoloft, that I don’t think the detox clinic has experience taking people off those things. They were trying to cold turkey him but I made sure he got his medication‘s given to him, and once he is out of the detox he will be seeing a psychiatrist regularly who will help taper him off those prescriptions.

The main point of this TLDR is that I need to get off fentanyl because my husband is coming back from detox off of fentanyl as well, and I am wondering if Subutex might be a better choice?

Welcome back here.Glad and hopeful for your struggle.Fent is so strong that maybe only methadone in bigger doses would be efficient to combat withdrawl in my opinion.Smoking any psychoactive substance could be also very chalenging to tapper,because is very compulsive.Through the loungs drug achieve the brain just for the seconds.Sorry that buprenorphine could not help you.Personaly no experience with sublingual strips or tablets.They gave your husband his meds-Zoloft and Gaba,cause they also must be tappering slowly.Its good that medical Mj helps him a little bit.Just dont give up,have a hope and please be careful.Peace and may God helps you.Love

 

[Nurse Ratched]

I have a lot of confidence in subs ( whether its with or without the -xone )when it comes to vicodin, oxy and morphine( reg. and diacetyl- ) Seems people can do well inducting and maintaining.

When it comes to fent, people really struggle. Seems the fent just seems to keep hanging on to our pesky little receptors. Which makes PD inevitable.

I agree with @Nas47 on the methadone. I think you are going to need critical care when your husband gets home and the 'done might just be what you both need. Not real sure subs are going to cut it with either one of you. Two addicts in the same house is a very precarious situation so both of you are going to have to be really determined. After care is essential ( meetings, therapy, methadone or subs ).

I wish you both the best of luck. It ain't gonna be easy but maybe you are both stronger than you think. Stay focused. Keep your eye on the prize.

 

[_Chillz305]

I have a lot of confidence in subs ( whether its with or without the -xone )when it comes to vicodin, oxy and morphine( reg. and diacetyl- ) Seems people can do well inducting and maintaining.

When it comes to fent, people really struggle. Seems the fent just seems to keep hanging on to our pesky little receptors. Which makes PD inevitable.

I agree with @Nas47 on the methadone. I think you are going to need critical care when your husband gets home and the 'done might just be what you both need. Not real sure subs are going to cut it with either one of you. Two addicts in the same house is a very precarious situation so both of you are going to have to be really determined. After care is essential ( meetings, therapy, methadone or subs ).

I wish you both the best of luck. It ain't gonna be easy but maybe you are both stronger than you think. Stay focused. Keep your eye on the prize.

Thank you both @Nas47 & pumpkin for the words.
I can look into methadone, and yes I agree with you 100% about the situation when he arrives home, we are determined to get clean & I don’t even want to think about having to go cop when he’s back. My husband has great aftercare lined up. He will be going into the care of an Italian doctor/neurologist who offers everything from outpatient care after detox & seeing a regular psychiatrist, he will be doing a brain stimulation therapy (TMS) for addiction & depression. It is quite a promising treatment, I have been seeing it come up more and more on the news and in medical field as a fast acting and lasting alternative to medications.
so Yes in the meantime I am looking into all my options because I want the very best outcome for us in this situation. Thank you again for the kind words you guys really help ground me in a situation that feels completely out of control