Opioids Fentanyl I boofed 0.1mg of fent (no tolerance), got SO high I completely fell out. Husband had to narcan me 2x/breathe for me! Carfent??

[CorneliaKingsleyisReal]

So this weekend, we came across a guy who had some 'fetty', and he sold us a couple of points for $20. (For reference, husband & I have both had huge daily heroin/benzo/stimulant habits in the past - got off Heroin in 2017 and currently use mostly recreational cocaine, occasionally boof morphine from a pharmacia across the border).

We have no experience with fent powder, but after looking around, found that 125mcg seemed to be a generally reasonable IV dose. We mixed up 2 0.1mg doses with water & I tested with a strip (try to be safe as I can). Very much positive for fent.

Felt like overkill @ the time but I also got out my box of Narcan and went over rescue breathing with my husband before I went first with my boof. (Also tested smoking off foil- one good hit & my partner had been nodding).

I have never been so loaded, it felt incredible. My body felt all comfy/warm as it set in, typical heroin boof feeling I remembered. My head started tingling and suddenly felt like I had the strongest coke IV bellringer?! I remember saying "Oh my God I have never been THIS high..."

And then I guess I fell out. Husband says when he heard that he got worried, came over and pretty quickly my lips were very blue and I wasn't breathing at all. Since I'd just walked him through Narcan administration, he said he was worried but confident in what he was doing.

After the first nasal spray & rescue breathing hadn't woken me up 5mins later he gave me a second dose. He said about 3 minutes later, I opened my eyes. On my part, I was pretty groggy for 5mins and sort of just in disbelief- we're both fine, SO GLAD we carry Narcan and knew what to do. I asked about my pulse - he says heartbeat was strong the whole time I was down.

So.... I know without a lab I'll never know but opinions? Is this just how strong fent is? Did we get some kind of wild pure stuff or could it be a mix of stronger analogues? Happy to be alive!

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Well, guessing what random powders are isn’t a BL thing but I’m almost positive that wasn’t regular fent, like pharmaceutical fent without anything else. Was it some analogue or a mix, no one will be able to answer you that.

 

[4meSM]

We have no experience with fent powder, but after looking around, found that 125mcg seemed to be a generally reasonable IV dose. We mixed up 2 0.1mg doses with water & I tested with a strip (try to be safe as I can). Very much positive for fent.

How did you measure 0.1mg? You wouldn't even be able to see a dose that small.
Are you sure it wasn't 0.1g? That would be 100mg of street fent of unknown purity, but obviously nowhere near 100% pure or you'd be dead right now, unless you got a ton of narcan to bring you back multiple times.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

How did you measure 0.1mg? You wouldn't even be able to see a dose that small.
Are you sure it wasn't 0.1g? That would be 100mg of street fent of unknown purity, but obviously nowhere near 100% pure or you'd be dead right now, unless you got a ton of narcan to bring you back multiple times.

I agree there would be no way to measure or even see that. 1mg is a gain of salt, so that would be like measuring out 1/10th of a grain of salt.

I doubt it was 100mg of fent, though as that would 100% have killed them (that's like 5000-10,000mg of morphine_...although if it was street shit it might have been extremely low purity. Or just heroin? 100mg of heroin rectally would be enough to OD someone opioid-naive assuming it was a really high quality, or heroin laced with fent.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

100mg of pure H would definitely OD someone without tolerance.

I assumed they got 0.1mg of whatever and did a volumetric measuring.

 

[4meSM]

I agree there would be no way to measure or even see that. 1mg is a gain of salt, so that would be like measuring out 1/10th of a grain of salt.

I doubt it was 100mg of fent, though as that would 100% have killed them (that's like 5000-10,000mg of morphine_...although if it was street shit it might have been extremely low purity. Or just heroin? 100mg of heroin rectally would be enough to OD someone opioid-naive assuming it was a really high quality, or heroin laced with fent.

Yeah it's street fent. The people that make it know that most customers would die if they were sold pure product. So it contains very little fentanyl by weight.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Yeah it's street fent. The people that make it know that most customers would die if they were sold pure product. So it contains very little fentanyl by weight.

You sure about that? I’m asking cuz I’m curious and I’m not from America but like to find insight in WW differences in opiod use. And one reputable member claimed that in Canada purity comes to very high % if main active really is fent and not some more potent analogue. Also data from test I’ve seen online suggests there’s a lot of samples with insanely high % of fent mixed with a lot of other active ingredients, so potent that batches of H of unusual potency (that was basically anything of 25%+) in my country that used to cause waves of ODs probably wouldn’t even scratch average American homeless user even in g doses.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Not saying it’s like 99% but that it tend to be stronger than 10%. And I think less HC user go for pressed pills?

 

[4meSM]

You sure about that? I’m asking cuz I’m curious and I’m not from America but like to find insight in WW differences in opiod use. And one reputable member claimed that in Canada purity comes to very high % if main active really is fent and not some more potent analogue. Also data from test I’ve seen online suggests there’s a lot of samples with insanely high % of fent mixed with a lot of other active ingredients, so potent that batches of H of unusual potency (that was basically anything of 25%+) in my country that used to cause waves of ODs probably wouldn’t even scratch average American homeless user even in g doses.

I think you're generally right, but I guess it varies a lot from one location to another. But yes 10-15% fentanyl is probably very common. In this report from Philadelphia they said that the average purity came out at 11.7% (going from 0.3 - 35%) : https://www.cfsre.org/nps-discovery/drug-checking

I guess I was mostly assuming from her description of the experience. I find it somewhat hard to believe that she took more than 10mg of fentanyl IV and didn't need at least another dose of intranasal narcan later to keep her alive, given the half-life of naloxone. But I could be wrong.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Yeah it's street fent. The people that make it know that most customers would die if they were sold pure product. So it contains very little fentanyl by weight.

Yeah, like on a recent season of Intervention that specialised on people addicted to fent, the subject often used 2-3g of fent a day and they (the producers) tried to claim they were using 2-3g of PURE fentanyl a day. Like...that's not possible lol.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Yeah, like on a recent season of Intervention that specialised on people addicted to fent, the subject often used 2-3g of fent a day and they (the producers) tried to claim they were using 2-3g of PURE fentanyl a day. Like...that's not possible lol.

Actually it is. I know 2 people who broke rule 1 and got sick if they didn't boot every 20 minutes. Superjunkie & Robojunkie from Opiophile. One is still in jail, the other is was suffering withdrawals 3 years afterwards in spite of his rich family taking him to many specialists.

As for the OP. Well fentanyl has a TI of 470 so if it was 100ug,it wasn't fentanyl. Welcome to carfentanil.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw1RCMTinRs7QN0E8f944WkU&opi=89978449

Two Canadian men indicted for selling carfentanil, fentanyl and heroin over the Internet and shipping the drugs to Europe, Canada and the U.S., including Ohio

www.justice.gov

'Dose as small as a grain of sand can kill you': alarm after Canada carfentanil bust

Discovery of 42kg of opioid, described as 100 times more toxic than fentanyl, in Toronto home throws spotlight on dangerous and poorly understood drug

www.theguardian.com

BTW the Ugi reaction is the key - once you master this tricky step, it's simple to make carfentanil and analogues thereof. Some of there reports are old, some are new. But because duration is longer, my source informs me that as of last week, carfentanil is on offer and people LOOK for it.

 

[TimTim1993]

So this weekend, we came across a guy who had some 'fetty', and he sold us a couple of points for $20. (For reference, husband & I have both had huge daily heroin/benzo/stimulant habits in the past - got off Heroin in 2017 and currently use mostly recreational cocaine, occasionally boof morphine from a pharmacia across the border).

We have no experience with fent powder, but after looking around, found that 125mcg seemed to be a generally reasonable IV dose. We mixed up 2 0.1mg doses with water & I tested with a strip (try to be safe as I can). Very much positive for fent.

Felt like overkill @ the time but I also got out my box of Narcan and went over rescue breathing with my husband before I went first with my boof. (Also tested smoking off foil- one good hit & my partner had been nodding).

I have never been so loaded, it felt incredible. My body felt all comfy/warm as it set in, typical heroin boof feeling I remembered. My head started tingling and suddenly felt like I had the strongest coke IV bellringer?! I remember saying "Oh my God I have never been THIS high..."

And then I guess I fell out. Husband says when he heard that he got worried, came over and pretty quickly my lips were very blue and I wasn't breathing at all. Since I'd just walked him through Narcan administration, he said he was worried but confident in what he was doing.

After the first nasal spray & rescue breathing hadn't woken me up 5mins later he gave me a second dose. He said about 3 minutes later, I opened my eyes. On my part, I was pretty groggy for 5mins and sort of just in disbelief- we're both fine, SO GLAD we carry Narcan and knew what to do. I asked about my pulse - he says heartbeat was strong the whole time I was down.

So.... I know without a lab I'll never know but opinions? Is this just how strong fent is? Did we get some kind of wild pure stuff or could it be a mix of stronger analogues? Happy to be alive!

The same thing happened to me, I sniffed one bag of Fentanyl and that high hit me like a train and I couldn't even move really and then I lost consciousness and then I woke up on a stretcher going into an ambulance. The guy I was with said I fell out and I turned blue and I wasn't breathing. He smacked me as hard as he could, he put ice cubes on my private area and then he saw that I was turning even more blue so he started giving me mouth to mouth CPR and chest compressions. His mother called 911 and when the paramedics arrived they gave me two shots of Narcan and I still didn't wake up and then the third shot supposedly was some form of adrenaline and I woke up finally. But even after they narcanned me I still felt incredibly high even into the next day I was vomiting and nodding. My mother forced me to go to detox and I tested positive for straight Fentanyl. No heroin in my system only Fetty. You are lucky to be alive

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Honestly it’s hard to imagine most people NOT overdosing on fentanyl in forms you guys get it as even ODing on a patch is fairly easy without serious tolerance and/or extreme caution. Well I guess number of deaths in USA pretty much checks out with that.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Carfentanil is now available in some Canadian cities. If their was a fentanyl crisis, what term is appropriate for something x100 more potent. It has a longer DOA.

An antibody test wouldn't separate fentanyl and carfentanil so I wonder how someone could say it was fentanyl? Especially with such a long DOA. Maybe it's 'idiopathic' and it was fentanyl, maybe the people doing the test don't know the limitations of such test.

A GC-MS would tell the MW and fragments were wrong but only NMR, X-ray crystallography or such would be conclusive...

 

[AlsoTapered]

https://accpjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/phar.2117

The Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Carfentanil After Recreational Exposure: A Case Report​

 

[AlsoTapered]

Carfentanil circulating in Toronto’s unregulated drug supply - Toronto's Drug Checking Service

Between March 3 and April 1, 2021, carfentanil was found in 3% of the expected fentanyl samples checked by Toronto’s drug checking service (3 of 104 samples).

drugchecking.cdpe.org

The thing is, their are totally novel classes of opioid which are just as potent... and remain legal everywhere but the UK...

Just my luck, I'm in the UK.

But x40000 morphine I consider a chemical weapon, not a drug. So I removed my posts on the subject. A Canadian researcher who used to post here found one that was x140,000 morphine. Papers to prove the research... but it was a bitc* to make.

Mine was 2 steps.

OR have precursor made (it's not suspicious)

Then it's 1 step.

 

[TimTim1993]

Carfentanil is now available in some Canadian cities. If their was a fentanyl crisis, what term is appropriate for something x100 more potent. It has a longer DOA.

An antibody test wouldn't separate fentanyl and carfentanil so I wonder how someone could say it was fentanyl? Especially with such a long DOA. Maybe it's 'idiopathic' and it was fentanyl, maybe the people doing the test don't know the limitations of such test.

A GC-MS would tell the MW and fragments were wrong but only NMR, X-ray crystallography or such would be conclusive...

Yeah I mean for all I know it could have been carfentanyl I overdosed on, there is no saying I guess from a drug screen, I'm sure the analogs just say Fentanyl on a urine sample.

 

[Zentropy]

You should never use street fentanyl without a serious physical opioid addiction, and when you are using it, I would highly recommend against snorting, eating, boofing, or injecting the drug, due to the fact that it's extremely easy to take large amounts with little to no biological feedback until it's too late.
I had an IV fentanyl habit for 3 months and mostly IVed my heroin, but I would always reccomend people only smoke fentanyl off foil, and start with the smallest grain you possibly can at first, so as to properly attenuate your dosage.

 

[TimTim1993]

You should never use street fentanyl without a serious physical opioid addiction, and when you are using it, I would highly recommend against snorting, eating, boofing, or injecting the drug, due to the fact that it's extremely easy to take large amounts with little to no biological feedback until it's too late.
I had an IV fentanyl habit for 3 months and mostly IVed my heroin, but I would always reccomend people only smoke fentanyl off foil, and start with the smallest grain you possibly can at first, so as to properly attenuate your dosage.

Yeah smoking it is probably a bit safer than snorting it

 

[sekio]

There is really no safe way to use any of these superpotent opioids.

And speaking as someone from Vancouver, carfentanil has been around for years now. Since at least 2019. It's definitely more common now though.