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Fentanyl - General Discussion

I flirted with fentanyl for a few days before a rather negative experience, which was this:

My girlfriend at the time had acquired 100 microgram patch, and knowing how strong these bad-boys are, I took precautions. First, We cut the patches into quarters, with the intent on going halves with the quarters, for an individual dose of an eighth at a time.

The first two times we did it it seemed fine. We put the quarter-patch into a spoon and added half a mil of lemon juice, then bought it to the boil. Then we drained off the lemon juice and added 90 units of water from a clean needle onto the patch. We brought it to the boil again, and then stirred the mixture for a good few seconds to infuse it with the water. We chucked in a filter and both drew back half exactly half of the remaining water each. Obviously some water had boiled away to steam, so we each had about 35 - 40 units in our needles. We found our veins and plunged away. The result was wonderful, to say the least. Very much like heroin, which we were not as used to as morphine (our drug of choice) which crosses the blood-brain barrier that little bit slower than oxycodone, heroin and fentanyl (and other more exotic opiates which are difficult to obtain).

We had done this perhaps four times in the two days leading up to the negative event i'm going on to describe, the one which put us off fentanyl. These four times were positive experiences and we enjoyed them.

The next (and last) time we did fentanyl, we employed the exact same process as the one I have described above. I put my shot away, and was feeling great to say the least. Then my girl put hers away, and was seemingly okay. She got up off the kitchen stool where she had taken the shot, then announced she had to go to the toilet. I heard the toilet flush, saw her walk out the door and then wham! She fell flat on her face (luckily there was no damage). At first I thought she was playing a prank on me, as she is known to do such things (even though I had told her to NEVER joke about overdosing). After saying it wasn't funny and to get up, I realized she wasn't mucking around. I rolled her onto her back and she started to make this weird and extremely disconcerting sound, like she was struggling to breath (which in hindsight was exactly what her body was trying to do). It sounded kind of like a burp in reverse, if that makes sense. It's very difficult to describe in words. Her eyes rolled back in their sockets. I began to slap her with one hand and dial 000 for and ambulance with the other. I had only been out of jail for three days and was on parole, but I knew not to fuck about with an OD. Life is so very precious. I have heard of selfish people not ringing the ambo's because they are worried about the cops. To that I say: DON'T BE SO BLOODY SELFISH!

Anyway, about seven minutes later the paramedics arrived and I told them exactly what she had taken, and they dosed her with naloxone and took her to emergency. She lived, thank God. The police didn't get involved, and neither of us used fentanyl again.

I wanted to use this forum to ask people why she dropped that particular time, when we had been using the exact (well, as exact as we could be) same method each time. Same amount, same way of extraction, same method of administration etc. Does anyone have any explanation as to what happened that day?
 
I am a drug and alcohol professional and cannot stress just how dangerous diverting fentanyl patches is.
This year to date I have personally lost 7 clients to iv fentanyl.
These were experienced users with heavy tolerances.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE people be super careful and don't use alone.
 
Kegmule

Thanks for your response and I share your sentiments re how dangerous it is. But what I was wondering is why it was different that time, the time she dropped? Is it possible that there is not an 'even' amount of fentanyl throughout the patch, ie some square centimeter might be more potent than another? Or is the extraction method (with the lemon juice) such an inexact science that boiling it for four more seconds or four less seconds can make a difference?

Do you (or anyone else reading this thread) have any ideas, either anecdotal or based on science/research, as to why my girl dropped after doing it the same 'safe' way we had a number of times before. BTW, it's worth mentioning she hadn't had any chemicals which could have exacerbated the potency of the fentanyl, like benzos or booze or anything at all, for that matter.

Any comments or insights are much appreciated.

Thanks,

Willy
 
willy33 said:
I flirted with fentanyl for a few days before a rather negative experience, which was this:

My girlfriend at the time had acquired 100 microgram patch, and knowing how strong these bad-boys are, I took precautions. First, We cut the patches into quarters, with the intent on going halves with the quarters, for an individual dose of an eighth at a time.

The first two times we did it it seemed fine. We put the quarter-patch into a spoon and added half a mil of lemon juice, then bought it to the boil. Then we drained off the lemon juice and added 90 units of water from a clean needle onto the patch. We brought it to the boil again, and then stirred the mixture for a good few seconds to infuse it with the water. We chucked in a filter and both drew back half exactly half of the remaining water each. Obviously some water had boiled away to steam, so we each had about 35 - 40 units in our needles. We found our veins and plunged away. The result was wonderful, to say the least. Very much like heroin, which we were not as used to as morphine (our drug of choice) which crosses the blood-brain barrier that little bit slower than oxycodone, heroin and fentanyl (and other more exotic opiates which are difficult to obtain).

We had done this perhaps four times in the two days leading up to the negative event i'm going on to describe, the one which put us off fentanyl. These four times were positive experiences and we enjoyed them.

The next (and last) time we did fentanyl, we employed the exact same process as the one I have described above. I put my shot away, and was feeling great to say the least. Then my girl put hers away, and was seemingly okay. She got up off the kitchen stool where she had taken the shot, then announced she had to go to the toilet. I heard the toilet flush, saw her walk out the door and then wham! She fell flat on her face (luckily there was no damage). At first I thought she was playing a prank on me, as she is known to do such things (even though I had told her to NEVER joke about overdosing). After saying it wasn't funny and to get up, I realized she wasn't mucking around. I rolled her onto her back and she started to make this weird and extremely disconcerting sound, like she was struggling to breath (which in hindsight was exactly what her body was trying to do). It sounded kind of like a burp in reverse, if that makes sense. It's very difficult to describe in words. Her eyes rolled back in their sockets. I began to slap her with one hand and dial 000 for and ambulance with the other. I had only been out of jail for three days and was on parole, but I knew not to fuck about with an OD. Life is so very precious. I have heard of selfish people not ringing the ambo's because they are worried about the cops. To that I say: DON'T BE SO BLOODY SELFISH!

Anyway, about seven minutes later the paramedics arrived and I told them exactly what she had taken, and they dosed her with naloxone and took her to emergency. She lived, thank God. The police didn't get involved, and neither of us used fentanyl again.

I wanted to use this forum to ask people why she dropped that particular time, when we had been using the exact (well, as exact as we could be) same method each time. Same amount, same way of extraction, same method of administration etc. Does anyone have any explanation as to what happened that day?
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I'd imagine it's impossible to get a precise dose using such a crude extraction method on the patches, even if you do everything exactly the same, it's likely she got hit with a much bigger dose than the previous times.
 
Crankinit said:
I'd imagine it's impossible to get a precise dose using such a crude extraction method on the patches, even if you do everything exactly the same, it's likely she got hit with a much bigger dose than the previous times.
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Ok, yeah I suspected that might be the case. They extraction method certainly seemed crude. I have no intention of touching fentanyl again, but for educational reasons (plus curiosity), is there a more precise method of extraction? Maybe if there is, and people know it, it might help people from dropping...thanks for your reply Crankinit :)
 
As crankinit pointed out crude extraction methods could certainly have contributed to your partner overdosing.
Her physical condition may have also have played a part. Dehydration can cause unpredictable blood/ brain barrier interactions.
Diverted fentanyl has such a fine dosage/response curve that even a partially missed shot from earlier on top of subsequent use may have been enough to put her into overdose.
I'm so glad that you put your partners welfare before your own and called an ambulance. You would be surprised( and appalled) at how many lives are lost because some feel their liberty is more important than the life of a fellow user .
Sorry mate no real hard or fast answers just be thankful that your answers didn't come in the form of an autopsy report.
I hope that your story serves as a cautionary tale for anyone thinking of trying iv fentanyl.
STAY SAFE
 
Which is better for chronic pain, fent or methadone? Thanks
 
Due to its longer half life i would think methadone. Fentanyl may be more useful as a BREAKTHROUGH treatment. I am not a pain management specialist so please feel free to correct me if im wrong.
 
that sounds right. I hear fent is good for gunshot wounds, so yeah...but that fent patch, maybe thats even better for chronic pain, but hyperalgesia is probably a possibility.
 
I would go with methadone - fent would be much harder to sustain regular blood levels and it really kicks your tolerance up a few notches.
 
That sound your talking about is called a "Death Rattle" and is one of the last stages before someone dies. I used to be a nurse but I've also revived friends and overdosed on heroin a number of times myself(usually with Xanax too hence why I don't mix them anymore) and luckily Noone has died so far but knowing we've all been there, some more than once is terrifying and a demonstration of the power of addiction.
 
willy33 said:
I flirted with fentanyl for a few days before a rather negative experience, which was this:

My girlfriend at the time had acquired a 100 microgram patch, and knowing how strong these bad-boys are, I took precautions. First, We cut the patches into quarters, with the intent on going halves with the quarters, for an individual dose of an eighth at a time.

The first four times we did it it seemed fine. We put the quarter-patch into a spoon and added half a mil of lemon juice, then bought it to the boil. Then we drained off the lemon juice and added 90 units of water from a clean needle onto the patch. We brought it to the boil again, and then stirred the mixture for a good few seconds to infuse it with the water. We chucked in a filter and both drew back half exactly half of the remaining water each. Obviously some water had boiled away to steam, so we each had about 35 - 40 units in our needles. We found our veins and plunged away. The result was wonderful, to say the least. Very much like heroin, which we were not as used to as morphine (our drug of choice) which crosses the blood-brain barrier that little bit slower than oxycodone, heroin and fentanyl (and other more exotic opiates which are difficult to obtain).

We had done this perhaps four times in the two days leading up to the negative event i'm going on to describe, the one which put us off fentanyl. These four times were positive experiences and we enjoyed them.

The next (and last) time we did fentanyl, we employed the exact same process as the one I have described above. I put my shot away, and was feeling great to say the least. Then my girl put hers away, and was seemingly okay. She got up off the kitchen stool where she had taken the shot, then announced she had to go to the toilet. I heard the toilet flush, saw her walk out the door and then wham! She fell flat on her face (luckily there was no damage). At first I thought she was playing a prank on me, as she is known to do such things (even though I had told her to NEVER joke about overdosing). After saying it wasn't funny and to get up, I realized she wasn't mucking around. I rolled her onto her back and she started to make this weird and extremely disconcerting sound, like she was struggling to breath (which in hindsight was exactly what her body was trying to do). It sounded kind of like a burp in reverse, if that makes sense. It's very difficult to describe in words. Her eyes rolled back in their sockets. I began to slap her with one hand and dial 000 for an ambulance with the other. I had only been out of jail for three days and was on parole, but I knew not to fuck about with an OD. Life is so very precious. I have heard of selfish people not ringing the ambo's because they are worried about the cops. To that I say: DON'T BE SO BLOODY SELFISH!

Anyway, about seven minutes later the paramedics arrived and I told them exactly what she had taken, and they dosed her with naloxone and took her to emergency. She lived, thank God. The police didn't get involved, and neither of us used fentanyl again.

I wanted to use this forum to ask people why she dropped that particular time, when we had been using the exact (well, as exact as we could be) same method each time. Same amount, same way of extraction, same method of administration etc. Does anyone have any explanation as to what happened that day?
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I meant to quote this in my post above and I'm on my phone so not sure how to edit.
 
the_ketaman said:
That sound your talking about is called a "Death Rattle" and is one of the last stages before someone dies. I used to be a nurse but I've also revived friends and overdosed on heroin a number of times myself(usually with Xanax too hence why I don't mix them anymore) and luckily Noone has died so far but knowing we've all been there, some more than once is terrifying and a demonstration of the power of addiction.
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Death Rattle! That's exactly how one might describe it if they were trying to get the reader to imagine the sound. It did sound like a rattle, and even if I hadn't been aware of what she had taken and overdoses or anything like that, hearing that sound would elicit an immediate response of alarm. It's a very, very disconcerting sound. I touch wood I never hear that sound again.

Cheers ketaman :)
 
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