EADD Heroin thread v.XXIV -- welcome back, PinkPapaver!

[Wilson Wilson]

It's not the pill poppers, drug seekers or junkies you have to worry about. It's the single parents with out of control kids who think they have ADHD wanting to chemically cosh their kids because they can't parent well, or the bored housewives who want to insert themselves into a medically induced lifestyle, or the grannies who are bored with life and want to live footloose and fancy-free. I long for a day where it's all dick warts and cancer.

The jobs the job, and you deal with it or you move on and specialise (go private basically)..

Was gonna say... most of the pharma diversion at prescription level is not from the kind of people you'd look at and think "druggie" which was kind of my whole point to begin with.

Recently I've been buying opiates off a single mother in her 30's because she doesn't use her script. She also enjoys the odd bit of diazepam here and there.

Most of the pharma scripts I buy are from people like her who do not look like junkies and who you most likely would not clock as a risk at all.

You always got the stereotype of the old granny who sells her pills down the pub. I doubt her doctor has her down as a drug seeker.

It's not about "getting one over on a doctor" as you said earlier, I don't really look at it that way myself at least. It's more that the obvious junkies are less likely to bother going to their GP's for drugs to begin with. Those who successfully get good shit off their doctors are usually middle class types, innocent looking single mothers, or lovely little old ladies who you'd never in a million years suspect as drug seekers.

And the doctors who do trust patients enough to script the good stuff, they treat it like a "game" themselves to be clear this is just my experience and I'm not saying it's true for all doctors but I've had multiple docs including on the NHS tell me that the stuff they're scripting me can be crushed up and snorted, that it has a high street value, and that it makes you feel really good. Why the fuck a doctor is telling me all this I do not know. But it gives me the impression there's a fair few laid back docs out there once they get to know and trust you as a patient...

 

[Ganjcat]

It's not the pill poppers, drug seekers or junkies you have to worry about. It's the single parents with out of control kids who think they have ADHD wanting to chemically cosh their kids because they can't parent well, or the bored housewives who want to insert themselves into a medically induced lifestyle, or the grannies who are bored with life and want to live footloose and fancy-free. I long for a day where it's all dick warts and cancer.

The jobs the job, and you deal with it or you move on and specialise (go private basically)..

you know everything don't you ?

 

[Ganjcat]

I'm hoping they were straight codeine, no paracetamol? I take it you're aware that codeine has a 'ceiling dose' of around 500mg which means you won't feel any increased effects over this amount? It sounds to me like you've run your course with codeine mate. You have a tolerance which puts you in dangerous territory. You either progress onto more potent opiates, or you taper down and get off now. Please opt for the latter...

Yeah yeah I will, if the ceiling dose is 500 mg how come I overdosed then? I thought ceiling meant you cant feel any effects at all?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Yeah yeah I will, if the ceiling dose is 500 mg how come I overdosed then? I thought ceiling meant you cant feel any effects at all?

I think the 'ceiling dose' thing just means that your body won't convert any more codeine to morphine so you don't get higher. It doesn't mean that you can't poison yourself...

 

[apocalypse_when]

I think the 'ceiling dose' thing just means that your body won't convert any more codeine to morphine so you don't get higher. It doesn't mean that you can't poison yourself...

THIS.

From what I understand, the enzyme that converts codeine into morphine is in limited supply in the body and after around 500mg (this figure might vary from individual to individual depending on how much of said enzyme your body possesses naturally) you're not getting any more morphine out of it..although I believe the codeine itself possesses some analgesic properties on its own..

I also believe that codeine itself inhibits this enzyme and this is the reason that redosing every half hour doesn't work and you need to take your dose all at once and not stagger it like you can with other drugs.. I don't pretend to fully understand this part so maybe someone else can explain this further.

 

[Squeaky]

In the USA the really good drugs are heavily regulated and can only be refilled when 90% of the previous months prescription has been used. This means that a 30 day script for Percocet can be refilled legally on the 27th day but not a minute before. Most pharmacies know the game, and so do a lot of pain management Drs. For the most part they are really only concerned about losing their license.
I have been scolded by a pharmacist for trying to fill a script of oxy on day 28, so I went 5 blocks to a different pharmacy and had my pills an hour later.

 

[apocalypse_when]

In the USA the really good drugs are heavily regulated and can only be refilled when 90% of the previous months prescription has been used. This means that a 30 day script for Percocet can be refilled legally on the 27th day but not a minute before. Most pharmacies know the game, and so do a lot of pain management Drs. For the most part they are really only concerned about losing their license.
I have been scolded by a pharmacist for trying to fill a script of oxy on day 28, so I went 5 blocks to a different pharmacy and had my pills an hour later.

Here in the UK there's nothing like that...You can't get a controlled drug (or any drug for that matter) filled early..If it's says 4th January on then it means 4th January and not a day before..

For certaindrugs like birth control, insulin etc. the pharmacist may "loan" you a day or two if day you've forgotton to request a repeat early enough and you are going to have to go without for a couple of days, but this doesn't apply to controlled drugs at all...They are very strict with CDs

 

[Squeaky]

Here its the same if there is a date printed on the prescription. I meant that no pharmacy can fill any new prescription if your last one was too recent. Theres a nationwide database run by the federal government that all pharmacies must check before filling the good stuff. Its supposed to stop people from hitting up multiple doctors and using different pharmacies to get the same medication multiple times.
Here they wont loan even an aspirin. When my wife was in labor I asked the nurse in the hospital for aspirin and she said I would need a prescription for her to dispense that, or to go to the hospital gift shop and buy some there. Its totally stupid.

 

[Wilson Wilson]

In the UK though you can get a few months worth of your drugs scripted at once to save on prescription charges. If your GP trusts you (see what I'm saying about this?) you can just get a few months worth of CD's all at once and a pharmacy will fill it. By doing this you pay the fixed prescription charge (?8.80) once for a few months supply instead of paying it every month.

In the US the dosing instructions have to match up with the quantity. So if your script says take one tablet twice daily and your script is for 120 the pharmacy will not fill it because you should only need 60 for the month. The dosing instructions must match up.

In the UK your script can say take one tablet twice daily and your quantity can be 120 and the pharmacy will fill it. Although usually it'd be 112 in that example since our scripts are usually per 4 weeks not per 30 days. Hence the boxes being quantities of 28 not 30.

But yeah no early refills here. Once my local GP surgery made a mistake on the repeat slip and put the wrong date, I went to fill it at that date and got a phone call the next day (not from my usual GP who was off at the time, but from a horrible one no one likes) asking if I was abusing my medication and using it too fast etc. I said no look at the date on the repeat slip, I was just following that. They quickly admitted fault and I got my repeat on the normal date.

There was also one time where the grumpy receptionist put only one of my meds in for refill even though I ticked the boxes for all of them. She tried to blame me saying I forgot to tick the boxes on my slip and refused to print my other scripts even though all she had to do was get up and press a few buttons on a computer. I got my phone out and showed a photo of my repeat slip showing I had ticked all the boxes and pointed out it was the most recent one with the right date on it. Only then did she get the fuck up and print the rest of my scripts.

No one gets between me and my meds!

Oh and my GP has also accidentally given me blank prescriptions multiple times. I'd be lying if I said thoughts hadn't crossed my mind...

 

[Wilson Wilson]

What's phy?

Diazepam scripts and benzo scripts in general are stupid cheap to pick up privately, if somewhere tries to charge stupid prices cuz it's a private script go elsewhere. A box of diazepam privately costs about a fiver in my experience. Even when I got it delivered straight to my door I still paid less than the NHS prescription charge.

Pharmacies pay literally a quid or two for a box for diazepam.

I can imagine private scripts for alprazolam costing more since it's not scripted on the NHS and is likely specially imported in small amounts for private scripts though. But any other benzo shouldn't be expensive.

 

[blondin]

phyceptone (tabs of methadone). A box of 28 valium is 2.80 - 10p a pill, not exorbitent

 

[Wilson Wilson]

Ah methadone tabs. Those the wafers? Only ever seen the liquid myself.

Picking up 20 OC80's this weekend fuck yeah.

 

[blondin]

strips of ten - small white pills, guaranteed potency. Some phamacies mix their own juice and i swear it varies in strength.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

strips of ten - small white pills, guaranteed potency. Some phamacies mix their own juice and i swear it varies in strength.

I agree with you there mate. Many a time I've picked up my juice and it tasted watered down and didn't provide satisfaction. I brought it up with my key worker a few times and they just dismissed it as though a pharmacist could possibly do no wrong. My argument is that I've been given someone else's script on several occasions - often more than I was due. There's no way the pharmacy is going to admit fucking up, so what do they do? They dilute the remainder to make up the shortfall. There's some dodgy cunts in the drugs industry I can tell you...

 

[LoginNotSecure]

There's some dodgy cunts in the drugs industry I can tell you...

 

[blondin]

Spoke to my fella last night and he said a drought was on the way but he his hoping to score this weekend from the Turks. So be prepared my fellow junkstrs

 

[MUSHET]

Hello Everyone,

I've not posted in a helluva long time, I still lurk now and again as Bluelight continues to be my 'go to' place regarding anything drug related. So, apologies for my absence and coming here for advice without much input for awhile; but, it's been a tough few years - drug use increased, balancing some kind of normality in life and work, family etc, scraping enough to pay bills, but also afford a drug habit for myself and girlfriend... it takes up yer time!

Anyway... I've been on H for almost 4 years now, my girlfriend for 3. The first year I was snorting and dabbling with smoking, eventually I became a full-time chaser. I never thought I'd pick up the needle, but it eventually happened just a few months ago. On a plus side, it's been a major wake up call for me, it's made me realise how much my life, and my girlfriends life, has spiralled out of control. We were living in bubble for a few years, now we're stabbing ourselves 4 times daily - I seem to find a vein okay, but it's been very difficult for my girlfriend, which is the thing that scares me the most, her arms, the constant pain etc., I feel like we're doing damage to her. I weigh out every shot we take, we use clean works every-time, I'm quite OCD that way, but enough is enough now.

We've been on subs before via maintenance, plus trying ourselves to induct, but the whole 24hr waiting to induct thing we find extremely difficult - so I've been reading about the Bernese Method where H and sub use is overlapped until it meets in the middle, avoiding PWD and the need to be in WD for 24hrs.

For anyone who has ever tried this way, and it's worked, I would be grateful if you would give your thoughts on my plan below:

Day 1 - 0.25mg Bupe (SL) + 1.4g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 2 - 0.25mg Bupe (SL) + 1.2g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 3 - 0.5mg Bupe (SL) + 1g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 4 - 1mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + 0.8g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 5 - 2mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + 0.8g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 6 - 3mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + 0.5g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 7 - 6mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + First day of no H
Day 8 - 8mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + Second day of no H

The idea is to micro-dose Bupe, as it has a longer half life than H it will build in your system, but as you are taking small doses at first it will avoid PWD, plus the need to wait 24hrs in pain. On day 7 if I feel fine I will not bother upping the dose to 8mg, I could even lower it and play around until I feel fine on the lowest dose.

Has anyone tried this and been successful? I's been attempted in Sweden (I think), you can Google the reports online. Some folk have mentioned it on Bluelight before, but they seem to start at higher doses than recommended which would lead to PWD.

Cheers, any input would be much appreciated!

 

[blondin]

I have done a 2 week taper on methadone that works , BUT you need to be just on gear with no methadone in your system when you start

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Hello Everyone,

I've not posted in a helluva long time, I still lurk now and again as Bluelight continues to be my 'go to' place regarding anything drug related. So, apologies for my absence and coming here for advice without much input for awhile; but, it's been a tough few years - drug use increased, balancing some kind of normality in life and work, family etc, scraping enough to pay bills, but also afford a drug habit for myself and girlfriend... it takes up yer time!

Anyway... I've been on H for almost 4 years now, my girlfriend for 3. The first year I was snorting and dabbling with smoking, eventually I became a full-time chaser. I never thought I'd pick up the needle, but it eventually happened just a few months ago. On a plus side, it's been a major wake up call for me, it's made me realise how much my life, and my girlfriends life, has spiralled out of control. We were living in bubble for a few years, now we're stabbing ourselves 4 times daily - I seem to find a vein okay, but it's been very difficult for my girlfriend, which is the thing that scares me the most, her arms, the constant pain etc., I feel like we're doing damage to her. I weigh out every shot we take, we use clean works every-time, I'm quite OCD that way, but enough is enough now.

We've been on subs before via maintenance, plus trying ourselves to induct, but the whole 24hr waiting to induct thing we find extremely difficult - so I've been reading about the Bernese Method where H and sub use is overlapped until it meets in the middle, avoiding PWD and the need to be in WD for 24hrs.

For anyone who has ever tried this way, and it's worked, I would be grateful if you would give your thoughts on my plan below:

Day 1 - 0.25mg Bupe (SL) + 1.4g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 2 - 0.25mg Bupe (SL) + 1.2g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 3 - 0.5mg Bupe (SL) + 1g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 4 - 1mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + 0.8g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 5 - 2mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + 0.8g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 6 - 3mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + 0.5g H (divided by 4 shots over the day)
Day 7 - 6mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + First day of no H
Day 8 - 8mg Bupe (SL) (divided twice over the day) + Second day of no H

The idea is to micro-dose Bupe, as it has a longer half life than H it will build in your system, but as you are taking small doses at first it will avoid PWD, plus the need to wait 24hrs in pain. On day 7 if I feel fine I will not bother upping the dose to 8mg, I could even lower it and play around until I feel fine on the lowest dose.

Has anyone tried this and been successful? I's been attempted in Sweden (I think), you can Google the reports online. Some folk have mentioned it on Bluelight before, but they seem to start at higher doses than recommended which would lead to PWD.

Cheers, any input would be much appreciated!

Hi Mushet, welcome back. I can't comment on your plan as I've never used buprenorphine. But I'd just like to congratulate you on having the sense to realise where your lives are heading if you carry on. I'll leave it there to let more qualified people answer your question, but I really hope it works out for you and your lady. All the best...

 

[Wilson Wilson]

I agree with you there mate. Many a time I've picked up my juice and it tasted watered down and didn't provide satisfaction. I brought it up with my key worker a few times and they just dismissed it as though a pharmacist could possibly do no wrong. My argument is that I've been given someone else's script on several occasions - often more than I was due. There's no way the pharmacy is going to admit fucking up, so what do they do? They dilute the remainder to make up the shortfall. There's some dodgy cunts in the drugs industry I can tell you...

Can't find the clip on YouTube but I'm reminded of that William S. Burroughs bit from Drugstore Cowboy: "I have a feeling that one of these junkie nurses is stepping on my medication."