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DXM binging. Possible side effects and dependency?

ChipTrippyFox

ChipTrippyFox

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Well ill say this won't be a proud one to post but here goes.

I've recently started using dxm somewhat frequently (around 2-3 times per week) at a low 2nd tier to high 1st tier dosage level (300-360mg)
I've been doing this for about 3 months now with periodic week long breaks in between.
I've been noticing that my overall psych has been reduced. My creativity, my motive, energy, sense of well being, emotional state of being; all diminished.
I also seem to be suffering severe neck pains and body aches (though this is normal for me, but the severity has recently increased) and today, severe light headed feelings.

Is it possible that my abuse of this substance has lead me to a dependant state? When using it my motive and energy skyrocket. I become empathetic and chatty.

I'm thinking I should lay it off for a while.. how long of a break should I take before it would be safe to use it again?

Other notes; I ussualy do cwe extractions for codeine on a regular basis to try and help with my aching back/neck.. I've tried stretches and working out / yoga but it only seems to make my pain worse so painkillers it is..
 
Definitely take a break for a while, imo. I used DXM in my teens a lot more than I do now, and when I was around 17 I had pretty much a year where I did it every weekend. After a while I noticed much of the symptoms you have mentioned here, plus a growing social anxiety and xenophobia. Not fun in the long run, but I was reluctant to cut out my favourite drug (of the time) for it was what I was accustomed to doing in my spare time.

The amount of time for dxm tolerance to reset is said to be a year or more, and I feel much less xenophobic after recently having pretty much a year without dxm. I do intend on trying it again sometime soon, maybe with some shrooms.

I found, after much experimentation, that dxm exhibits very different effects when used on a *completely* random dosing time scale, compared to the habitual dosing time scale. I highly recommended taking a fairly long break, and then using dxm at random intervals, if you wish to revisit dxm.

I had a mega sore back for a while as well, and I found that most painkillers just stop the signal, they don't actually do anything about what is causing the pain in that spot, so could be making it worse. What worked for me was a *very* gradual self adjustment of posture, and I very rarely get a sore back anymore.
 
Thanks for the reply :)

I also forgot to mention that yeah I've been noticing a gradual increase in tolerance. What I used to be able to achieve with 250 mg now requires about 300-350

When you were using frequently, what dosages were you taking? What plateau were you reaching for/achieving.

And for the back problems, I'm unsure what really I could do to help :( I've tried sitting proper and not slouching, and for the most part I feel like I've managed to get out of that habit, but the pain persists.
My doc really doesn't help much, he seems to think I ONLY want drugs and insists that naproxen is the cure for everything *rolls eyes*
 
I used to take 300mg usually, and that got me to a solid/high 2nd plateau. After a while it was just a first plateau. 600mg was a solid 3rd, but that eventually turned into a high 2nd.
With tolerance breaks regarding dxm, longer is better.

I dunno about the back problems, persistance at a *slow* self adjustment of posture, and yoga is all I can really think of. Maybe you should get a different doctor/try a specialist?
 
I've thought about getting another doc or a specialist. The problem is with pain specialists is that you need a referral from a doctor to get into one, which I've asked my doc for but he has not yet done it, he also said "it will take time to find one" so idk..

Also I'm hesitant to aquire a new doctor because it took me so long to find this one (city has a shortage of physicians) and I would need to drop myself as a patient to register for a new one (if I can find one at all) :(

When you stopped taking dxm was there any.. temptation? I guess you could say.
Urge to do it even though you feel it's best to stop?

I hate to call it addiction but it almost feels like that's what it's turning to.
Not even just for dxm but for mind altering substances in general.

I've got an urge for things I haven't even touched in years. ( lsd, mdma, psilocybin)... Idk what brought on these urges but they are really getting to me. . It feels almost like I need to have a heavy psychedelic experience to get it out of my system.
The nostalgia I've been experiencing of my younger years where I was a complete psychonaught,.. it's killing me lol. I occasionally hear songs I used to listen to while tripping and I nearly tear up thinking about how happy and content I used to be exploring my inner self (sounds pathetic I know.. but psychedelics changed my life. I used to be a sniffling little emo kid until I discovered what magic could be brought by these things. Seriously it was like night and day, it helped with my anxiety and shyness and self hatred. )
Another thing I should add is that my current mate of nearly 6 years is completely against drugs (which was not always the case)

Sigh :/
 
If you feel a calling for a heavy psychedelic experience, then that is what the subconscious is desiring and it makes sense to get it out of your system.
Nostalgia on dxm seems way more emotional at times, and I completely know where you are coming from.
Nothing pathetic about exploring inner self, btw.

When I stopped dxm, I had no craving for it at all. That could have been because I had upgraded to better drugs, for I haven't actually gone without some form of tripping for anything longer than a month at a time. It is too much a part of my lifestyle, to go completely sober.
 
Yeah for me it doesn't quite feel like I'm specifically craving dxm. Honestly I'd much rather preffer tripping on psilocybin or lsd than dxm. However having a mate who is almost completely anti drug/ inability to find such substances through general inquiry; this becomes almost impossible.

To be honest, out of all psychedelics I've tried, I would put dxm at the bottom of my list. It's just obviously alot easier to obtain.

I had attempted to have a breakthrough trip with salvia divinorum but I was left gravely disappointed by failure to get strong results. I would try again but my mate is not allowing me *frustration*
 
You sound old enough to make your own decisions, don't let your mate boss you around. It is your body and life, not theirs.

Salvia is a strange one, I think it has a lot to do with the amount of pre trip preparation, that makes a trip substantial or not. Put a bit of time into thinking about the upcoming sally visit and I am sure it will be deeper.
Have fun.
 
Well its tough for me to just.. do what I want.. it's a tricky situation. While I don't like her having so much say over how I live my life, at the same time I don't wish to displease her or male her angry. I will admit she has some issues with control.. alot of that has to do with her history of being abused. I'm submissive by nature so I'm prone to do what others tell me to and over the last 6 years she's gotten used to that and I fear rebellion would push her away.
I understand that she fears my drug use will turn me into an image of one of her abusive exes. All of them had some sort of addiction. Alcohol, crack, cannabis..she also has bipolar disorder.
She wasn't always against me using and used to let me smoke weed for my pain (which helped LOTS) but at the time she was uneducated for her condition and she was beginning to get on my nerves with taking her aggressions out on me, eventually I started developing an attitude towards this in which she blamed drug use for me "turning into an asshole" so she denied me further use of it, shortly after she became medicated and started leveling out her own attitude. Somehow she still thinks that me getting high was the cause of our altercations, so she still denies me under the aspect that she "doesn't like drugs" even though I'm sure we could easily live at peace together if I started using again if she simply accepted it as somthing that I like to do. Heck, things may even be just a little but better cause I won't feel like I'm bound to her "rules" or "conditional love" as well as having the freedom to get this urge I'm feeling out of my system and also not being titled a "pathetic drugie"

All in all she has her issues but I do love her. I feel like I kinda saved her in a sense from what could have bbeen a very different future for her. She hasn't had anyone love her quite the way I do.

That's probly a topic more fit for "love sex and relationships" though lol..

But back to the dxm, I feel like my lightheadedness is even worse today .. it's actualy quite intense and a little bit worry some. Is this common as dxm withdrawal?
I can't tell if it's related or not cause I also feel like I may be comming down with a cold or flu :/
 
If it is your wife, then it is a different story. Marriage is all about compromise. Remind her that she would probably be worse off with the bipolar, without drugs the drugs she is using. Being submissive by nature is all well and good, but try not to let it get to the point where she is dominating *all* the time. You need to do things for yourself every now and then. You have a very complex relationship, and I don't think I can add anything else.

I don't think dxm has any withdrawals, though it definitely has an afterglow that is slightly light-headed.
You could be getting a cold.
 
Pretty sure it works on serotonin and in my case also provided motivation when used. I cant see bad withdrawals from such a low dose though tbh. Mental if anything? Just remember it seems to have a reverse tolerance and the more often you do it the further you go off the same dose. (360mg will get you more out of sorts on day 10 than day 1 etc.) Not really sure how that works but multiple days in a row that seemed to be the case anyway. Maybe kratom for pain releif? Wont get into what to do about the wifey but im the man of the house and ultimately what i say goes(within reason). As stated above i let my girl know if i dont smoke weed a few times per week my anxiety and depression would be far worse for her than the small amount of $ spent on the substance. ymmv.
 
Yes there are very severe undesirable long term psychological side effects from regular use of dissociatives. I am not an expert on it, but pretty much anyone I've known (myself included) who has gone down this road is having huge trouble getting his life on track. I am no expert on this and little research has been done, but there is a forum dedicated to DXM use, dextroverse. They have an IRC channel, too. You could check those people out and they will be able to tell you a shitload of crazy stories.

Long story short, you should stop doing DXM at such a high frequency. I'd say a hand full of times per year can be compensated pretty well for most people.

Edit: Dosis facit venenum btw. I've been using DXM HBr at 30-60mg per day for months which I surely couldn't do with 1000mg DXM. While it was a great antidepressant during that time (the best I've ever tried), it might've affected me adversely in the long term. There really is no telling though. I also went into my first full-blown mania during one of those episodes of regular use, but I was also using caffeine by the gram, 100s of mg amphetamine sulphate, up to 500mg tramadol and low dose SSRIs (all daily).

There have also been some pretty bizarre cases of acute psychosis resulting from DXM use. My best friend had his first (and last) schizophrenic episode during a prolonged DXM trip (redosing for three days), a very experienced user on dextroverse has murdered someone and commited suicide while under the influence (seemingly out of nowhere) and well, there's a lot more stories. I guess it's similar to PCP in that way for some people. I'm not trying to demonize here since I am myself a very avid user of dissociatives, but the stuff can mess with your mind pretty profoundly, that's for damn sure.
 
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There have also been some pretty bizarre cases of acute psychosis resulting from DXM use. My best friend had his first (and last) schizophrenic episode during a prolonged DXM trip (redosing for three days), a very experienced user on dextroverse has murdered someone and commited suicide while under the influence (seemingly out of nowhere) and well, there's a lot more stories. I guess it's similar to PCP in that way for some people. I'm not trying to demonize here since I am myself a very avid user of dissociatives, but the stuff can mess with your mind pretty profoundly, that's for damn sure.
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This last bit can't be stressed enough. I had an extended run with MXE at one point and it led to some strange places. I was basically to a point where I felt everything I was doing was perfect and I was about to reveal some great truth to the world. Its hard to explain but I was going through a little episode where I kinda felt like a chosen one or something. Thankfully I recognized that I was going a bit crazy and should ease up.

I don't want to hate on this class of drugs as I've enjoyed DXM and some of the other drugs in this class but there is a trend with them once you start using them often. I thought it wouldn't happen to me and I fell right into the trap like everyone else.
 
Please just lay off it for a while, you are noticing yourself that it isn't really the healthiest thing too keep up too long and to check if you are in control it is better anyway proving it by first abstaining for a while like a few months (write it down exactly), then plan for yourself how often you think it is still responsible to take DXM and stick to it after the abstinence. The extent to which you are able to achieve this will show you how dependent you are.

I have experience with abuse of dissociatives and trust me this is definitely necessary if you want to make it work. Would be a shame if you got bad effects on your body and mind or incidents, and are not able to do it ever again. Best is to keep it in check.
Many cognitive effects and other side-effects should be mostly reversible but it takes quite a while. Don't dispair, just sit it out and it will be cool.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
I was basically to a point where I felt everything I was doing was perfect and I was about to reveal some great truth to the world. Its hard to explain but I was going through a little episode where I kinda felt like a chosen one or something.
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Pretty fucking typical for schizophrenia. My best friend had his first episode triggered by DXM and this was very much like what he experienced, only that he was much more delusional and hallucinated heavily. I actually got into that state on mushrooms + ethanol before as well (I was the messiah, last day of the world, people with dogs chasing after me to prevent me from saving the world etc).

Glad you got over it man. Most people who have been using DXM over long periods of time have experienced something like this btw, judging only by what I've been hearing.

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Please just lay off it for a while, you are noticing yourself that it isn't really the healthiest thing too keep up too long and to check if you are in control it is better anyway proving it by first abstaining for a while like a few months (write it down exactly), then plan for yourself how often you think it is still responsible to take DXM and stick to it after the abstinence. The extent to which you are able to achieve this will show you how dependent you are.
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That's exactly how I first realized that I cannot "just quit" anymore. I convinced myself to stay abstinent to show some other people and myself that there IS NO problem (that I was just experimenting), but I just couldn't stay off that K back then.
 
I used to binge for weeks straight. i have stopped though do to serious memory problems! that seems to be the biggest problem
 
ChipTrippyFox said:
Well its tough for me to just.. do what I want.. it's a tricky situation. While I don't like her having so much say over how I live my life, at the same time I don't wish to displease her or male her angry. I will admit she has some issues with control.. alot of that has to do with her history of being abused. I'm submissive by nature so I'm prone to do what others tell me to and over the last 6 years she's gotten used to that and I fear rebellion would push her away.
I understand that she fears my drug use will turn me into an image of one of her abusive exes. All of them had some sort of addiction. Alcohol, crack, cannabis..she also has bipolar disorder.
She wasn't always against me using and used to let me smoke weed for my pain (which helped LOTS) but at the time she was uneducated for her condition and she was beginning to get on my nerves with taking her aggressions out on me, eventually I started developing an attitude towards this in which she blamed drug use for me "turning into an asshole" so she denied me further use of it, shortly after she became medicated and started leveling out her own attitude. Somehow she still thinks that me getting high was the cause of our altercations, so she still denies me under the aspect that she "doesn't like drugs" even though I'm sure we could easily live at peace together if I started using again if she simply accepted it as somthing that I like to do. Heck, things may even be just a little but better cause I won't feel like I'm bound to her "rules" or "conditional love" as well as having the freedom to get this urge I'm feeling out of my system and also not being titled a "pathetic drugie"

All in all she has her issues but I do love her. I feel like I kinda saved her in a sense from what could have bbeen a very different future for her. She hasn't had anyone love her quite the way I do.
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God that sounds so similar to my situation in every way you just listed. I'm getting divorced after 12 years because eventually I was so suppressed that I was depressed worse than I ever have been (that was my reason anyway). Good luck with that, it's important for both people to respect the others' needs in a relationship. If you can get to that place, then that's great. :)
 
i got addicted to dxm (daily use of 1-2 grams for over a year), went nuts, at the end of my run i smoked pcp and drank 151 while already in a psychotic state, commited a violent crime, took an insanity plea, lost a few years of my life.
 
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