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pmoseman

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Pot Fuels Surge in Drugged Driving Deaths

BYBILL BRIGGS

February 15, 2014

During each shift at her drive-through window, once an hour, Cordelia Cordova sees people rolling joints in their cars. Some blow smoke in her face and smile.

Cordova, who lost a 23-year-old niece and her 1-month-old son to a driver who admitted he smoked pot that day, never smiles back. She thinks legal marijuana in Colorado, where she works, is making the problem of drugged driving worse — and now new research supports her claim.

"Nobody hides it anymore when driving," Cordova said. "They think it's a joke because it’s legal. Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999, according to a new study from Columbia University published in the American Journal of Epidemiology

“The trend suggests that marijuana is playing an increased role in fatal crashes,” said Dr. Guohua Li, a co-author and director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia University Medical Center. The researchers examined data from the federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), spanning more than 23,000 drivers killed during that 11-year period.

"Nobody will take this seriously until somebody loses another loved one."

Alcohol remains, by far, the most common mind-altering substance detected in dead drivers, observed in the blood of nearly 40 percent of those who perished across six states during 2010, the Columbia study notes. (That rate remained stable between 1999 and 2010.)

Cannabinol, a remnant of marijuana, was found in 12.2 percent of those deceased drivers during 2010, (up from 4.2 percent in 1999). Pot was the most common non-alcoholic drug detected by those toxicology screenings.

“The increased availability of marijuana and increased acceptance of marijuana use” are fueling the higher rate of cannabinol found in dead drivers, Li told NBC News.

Researchers limited their analysis to California and five others states where toxicology screenings are routinely conducted within an hour of a traffic death. They note that California allowed medical marijuana in 2004. Since then, California has posted “marked increases in driver fatalities testing positive for marijuana,” Li said.

"The number of deaths will grow," Cordova said. "I'm scared."

Minutes after the crash that killed Cordova's niece, Tanya Guevara, and Guevara's 5-week-old son, police arrested the driver who struck Guevara's car. Steven Ryan, then 22, admitted to smoking pot earlier that day, according to court records. Ryan later pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide and was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2012.

Tanya Guevara and her son, Adrian, were killed in 2010 when a driver, impaired after smoking marijuana, hit Guevara’s car head-on in Colorado.
That same year, Cordova testified before Colorado lawmakers about a proposed impairment limit for stoned drivers. Under Colorado law today, drivers who test positive for 5 nanograms per milliliter of THC — an active ingredient in marijuana — can be charged and punished as drunk drivers.

That law has not, however, led Howard Myers to feel safer on local roads. He, too, takes the issue personally: In 2002, his three children were seriously injured when their car was struck by a driver who, Myers said, had smoked marijuana a short time earlier. (A police record provided by Myers showed that oncoming driver was charged with vehicular assault). Myers' children were returning from school to their home near Colorado Springs.

All three now are adults and their injuries have become chronic, Myers said. His daughter, who was driving, receives physical therapy for neck and back pain. One of his sons is recovering from a traumatic brain injury. Another son had a leg partially amputated.

"The attitude here is it's safe," Myers said. "So more people are driving under the influence.”

“If the current trends continue, non-alcohol drugs, such as marijuana, will overtake alcohol in traffic fatalities around 2020.”

But marijuana can be detected in the blood for one week after consumption, perhaps leading chronic consumers to be wrongly arrested, critics of the law assert.

A separate study — also based on FARS data — found that in states where medical marijuana was approved, traffic fatalities decrease by as much as 11 percent during the first year after legalization. Written by researchers at the University of Colorado, Oregon and Montana State University, the paper was published in 2013 in the Journal of Law & Economics.

Those authors theorized pot, for some, becomes a substitute for alcohol. They cited a recent, 13-percent drop in drunk-driving deaths in states where medical marijuana is legal.

“Marijuana reform is associated with … a decrease in traffic fatalities, most likely due to its impact on alcohol consumption,” said Michael Elliott, executive director of the Marijuana Industry Group, a trade association in Colorado.

Overall, though, drugged driving is closing the gap with drunk driving.

The rate of traffic deaths in which drivers tested positive for non-alcohol drugs climbed from 16.6 percent in 1999 to 28.3 percent in 2010, according to the Columbia study.

Among dead male drivers, 4.0 tested positive for narcotics in 2010, up from 2.2 percent in 1999. Among female drivers killed, 7.6 percent tested positive for narcotics, up from 4.3 percent.

“If the current trends continue,” Li said, “non-alcohol drugs, such as marijuana, will overtake alcohol in traffic fatalities around 2020.”
 
I was in car accidents with sober drivers

Cars are the fucking problem. Try an alternate universe without cars and more drugs = no deaths related to car fatalities.

Blame the car crash and the laws of physics on drugs. Plz.
 
I believe that there is a high degree of probability that statistics will soon begin reflecting that cannabis* use at illegal driving levels is far safer than for alcohol* (one of the effects of which is loss of inhibitions, which is why many drunk drivers try to escape police).

While I don't condone the use of any substance, or combination of substances that render drivers unsafe, (even moderate sleep deprivation does, with millions of Americans currently running a "sleep deficit") it will continue to happen.

Anecdotally, in the past, friends and acquaintances reported being more careful, and going slower when high, as did I, especially on the more potent varieties, and crashed and wrote off a car when drunk, back in the 70's, when I was young and foolish, and ended up paying a heavy price for my stupidity, with jail time, a criminal conviction, licence suspension, and fines.

Years later, I was knocked off my little trail/roadbike by some drunk/high (hit-and-run asshole) driver on the wrong side of the road, proceeding at a 45 degree angle on 2 wheels of his white Holden (GM) Commodore, only surviving by kicking my bike into the path of the car, and diving for the kerb once I had calculated his trajectory with my brain operating at maximum speed, (but my bike only cruising, well below the speed limit) in full emergency survival mode.

I still have thumb and wrist weakness and proneness to injury, as a result, and there are millions of people out there who weren't as lucky, so try to learn from other's mistakes.

Drive defensively, and only when fit to drive!



* Watch this space.
 
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"The authors reported that driving under the influence of cannabis was associated with a pooled increased risk of a motor vehicle crash of 1.9 times compared to driving unimpaired. When observing only case-control observational studies, the risk was greater at 2.8. Notably, the included culpability studies involving non-fatal crashes did not show a statistically significant increase in risk of crash when driving under the influence of cannabis, however; studies involving fatal crashes showed an increased risk of 2.1."

"The risk of a crash down from a relative risk ratio of 7.0 when cannabis was smoked within one hour, down to 2.2 when smoked within two hours, after controlling for other substance use."

http://ncpic.org.au/ncpic/publicati...-of-cannabis-a-brief-review-of-the-literature

“If a driver is under the influence of alcohol, their risk of a fatal crash is 13 times higher than the risk of the driver who is not under the influence of alcohol," Li told HealthDaily News. "But if the driver is under the influence of both alcohol and marijuana, their risk increases to 24 times that of a sober person.

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/leah...hes-involving-marijuana-have-tripled-n1790431
(That would imply 1.85 for cannabis alone.)

In Australia, the chance of a driver testing positive for marijuana after a fatal accident was at least 2.6 times greater than a driver testing positive in a roadside survey.

I recommend not driving after smoking, similar to alcohol. They can test you and figure out how long ago you smoked; in some states testing may not even be required (Ohio) it you are detectably impaired. Also, as with alcohol, you have implied consent to getting tested because you were driving.
 
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Driving stoned is obviously dangerous, you are still inebriated.
I'm a terrible driver when stoned, and more attempts need to be made to curb intoxicated driving of any kind, much like is done with alcohol.
IMO it's easier to tell if someone has smoked a small joint in their car than had a couple beer, however testing for marijuana is much harder than alcohol.
 
I wonder if we looked at the net impact in traffic fatalities, because of the legalization, if it would be positive or negative. If we take all the court appearances, jail and prison transfers, arrests and subsequent custody transfers to jail, the manufacture and delivery of all the jail and prison supplies, The added distance that some people may have needed to travel to get their weed.. I would think we may have decreased the amount of traffic by some degree, not to mention the less gas and diesel is being transported.. So I wonder if we looked at the overall picture weather we would see more of a decrease from a decrease in traffic compared what is claimed as an increase due to MJ and driving.

And as others have said just because there is an increase in the amount of fatal crashes where the driver tested positive for pot does not mean in itself that the post is causing more people to die in the road ways.. the increase in the percentage where it has been found just may be a reflection of an increase in use.

I think its important to remember that people need to choose to drive high for this to happen. Given the fact that grass blood levels drop so quickly I dont see any need for people to be driving at high levels and I want to see the actual blood levels these drivers were at as that is really paramount to distinguishing between who was high and who had smoked in the past couple days.
 
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