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Draft of the GHB/1,4B FAQ.

Being under the influence of amphetamines will decrease the ways in which 1,4b or ghb will affect you, so be careful on the doses and dont re-dose more than usual, because once the amphetamines wear off you could see yourself putting a gastly deposit into the porcelin god (so to speak) ;)
 
bk... hon, we need LESS G after/during meth use... i think it has to do with the body getting used to decreased dopamine levels.
M
 
okay, i am a retard!!!! i just got my increase and decrease mixed up.....
:) :) :)
ps stop swanning around france and come home damnit ;)
 
Awesome thread people - I have been after a BDO Vs. GHB discussion like this. Tried to start one on here but it didn't take off...
[ 23 August 2002: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]
 
first of all, this is an excellent thread. but i couldn't find answers to two questions i have:
1) can anyone shed any light on whether or not 1,4BDO registers on breath tests? (note, i am not implying or advocating driving round on G)
2) is there a ball park estimate which could be construed as seriously harmful levels of impact? i mean its a chemcical and it IS foreign to your body, but at what levels should you really start cutting back?
 
I know for sure that 1,4b cannot get detected with a breath-test. the only thing it has in common with alcohol is the enzyme it used to metabolise.
tho, please remember, it is very dangerous to you and everyone else on the road to drive while g-fucked (just ask nick nolte ;) )
M
 
cheers Maxi :)
just curiously, what do other BLers out there consider to be dangerous levels of usage?
 
Great FAQ... =D

I just want to query the statement that the freezing point of 1,4B is 20 degrees Celsius. That's a comfortable room temperature, which would mean that pure 1,4B would usually be frozen out of the fridge, except on the hotter summer days. Is this correct?

I'm wondering if it shouldn't read 20 degrees Fahrenheit, which is slightly below the freezing point of water, 0 degrees Celsius
(=32 degrees Fahrenheit).

It would also be good if anyone could post reliable information on which of the variants are generally being used in Australia. My impression is that actual GHB is scarce here currently and 1,4B is the predominant one available.

Can anyone clarify?
 
20C is correct, 100% pure 1,4-butanediol will turn solid in the fridge. However, when a substance is diluted, the freezing points of the pure substance and the dilutent approach each other. The more water that's mixed with 1,4B, the closer the solidifying temperature will be to that of the water.

I've seen concentrated (quite pure) 1,4B turn solid in the fridge, and the bottle have to be put under a hot tap in the shower to thaw it to above 20C.

BigTrancer :)
 
Ok, a few questions I think should be answered.

1) What is the suggested/most common dilution of the substances. (I know this is very subjective, and perhaps you have intentionally left)

2) Redosing...?
 
I'll second what Big Trancer has said. I live in Sydney and the pure BDO i see here has to be "thawed" out in winter.

Another cool thing I found out a while ago was that exactly 1ml or BDO fits in a standard gel cap, a good thing to do in winter is to freeze filled gelcaps and take them out with you. Make sure you eat them early in the night though cuz your body temp will defrost them after a long night. :)
 
This thread is always worth a bump.

I have taken G (1,4B in actuality) on a great number of occassions. Occassionally I have had a short G nap, but this weekend despite consuming less than I would normally take ... I ran into troubles. I took G in a club however for only the second time ever (the first time I took it I was in a club, which I fell into a G nap). This time I took before entering the club, only to find it was extraordinary hot inside. There is nothing I hate more than unncessary heat at a club. I knew prior that heat was a factor, but I felt that since I took less G than I would otherwise normally take (I had measured out G from this bottle before). Big mistake, it was a shitty night so I should have stayed outside in the cold. But no I had to be social, which resulted in me collapsing repeatedly and get ushered outside, into an ambulance and off to hospital.

I don't have ambulance cover, so that will cost me a bit. But that doesn't worry me, I can afford it after experiecing so good old hospital tlc (or lack of in some ways ;)). They pinched whatever little pharms I had in my pocket and also ripped my favorite t-shirt off. So in all the night was an expensive one. I probably was never in any real danger, but my friends were just looking out for me.

Moral of the story: Never underestimate how potent this chemical is and in particularly how much more you are affected by heat. Also the importance of ambulance cover :).
 
Excellent GHB and analogues review from May 2003 Microgram Bulletin

Selected Intelligence Brief

Information Bulletin: GHB Analogs. GBL, BD, GHV, and GVL.

National Drug Intelligence Center
319 Washington St., 5th Floor
Johnstown, PA 15901


[Unclassified; Reprinted [in Microgram, BT] With Permission (Minus Four Case Vignettes)]


Introduction

Because the criminal penalties associated with GHB (gamma-hydroxybutyrate) have been made more stringent and law enforcement pressure has rendered GHB more difficult to obtain, the distribution and abuse of GHB analogs have become an increasing concern. GHB analogs, which include GBL, BD, GHV, and GVL, are drugs that possess chemical structures that closely resemble GHB. The ingestion of any of these analogs produces physiological effects similar to the effects associated with GHB abuse--relaxation, mild euphoria, and drowsiness. Abusers who emerge from a deep sleep or coma caused by GHB analogs may become easily agitated and extremely combative. GHB analogs are of particular concern because they contribute to increasing numbers of auto accidents, sexual assaults, and deaths.

While federal law prohibits the sale of analogs for human consumption, GHB analogs are available legally as industrial solvents used to produce polyurethane, pesticides, elastic fibers, pharmaceuticals, coatings on metal or plastic, and other products. These analogs also are sold illicitly as supplements for bodybuilding, fat loss, reversal of baldness, improved eyesight, and to combat aging, depression, drug addiction, and insomnia. GBL and BD are sold as "fish tank cleaner," "ink stain remover," "ink cartridge cleaner," and "nail enamel remover" for approximately $100 per bottle--much more expensive than comparable products. Law enforcement's efforts to identify the abuse of GHB analogs are hampered by the fact that routine toxicological screens do not detect the presence of these analogs. In addition, distributors continually develop new analogs to avoid law enforcement detection.


Analogs

GHB analogs often are abused in place of GHB or are used to produce GHB. Common GHB analogs include GBL, BD, GHV, and GVL. (See Table 1.) Both GBL and BD metabolize into GHB upon ingestion. GBL is the most common precursor used in the production of GHB. GVL is abused in place of GHB because it metabolizes into GHV, which produces physiological effects similar to GHB.

Code:
[b]Table 1. GHB Analogs[/b]

.-----------------.-----------------------.-----------------------------.------------------.
| Analog Chemical | Name/Alternative Name | Precursor for Production of | Metabolizes Into |
>-----------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+------------------<
|       GBL       |  gamma-butyrolactone  |             GHB             |        GHB       |
|                 |   furonone di-hydro   |                             |                  |
|                 |    dihydrofuranone    |                             |                  |
>-----------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+------------------<
|       BD        |    1, 4-butanediol    |             GBL             |        GHB       |
|                 | tetramethylene glycol |                             |                  |
|                 |        sucol-B        |                             |                  |
|                 |    butylene glycol    |                             |                  |
>-----------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+------------------<
|       GHV       | gamma-hydroxyvalerate |              0              |         *        |
|                 |     methyl-GHB        |                             |                  |
>-----------------+-----------------------+-----------------------------+------------------<
|       GVL       |  gamma-valerolactone  |             GHV             |        GHV       |
|                 |     4-pentanolide     |                             |                  |
'-----------------'-----------------------'-----------------------------'------------------'
        * GHV is not used as a precursor and is not metabolized into another drug.


Abuse

GHB analogs are distributed as liquids and consumed orally. When ingested, these analogs produce effects such as relaxation, mild euphoria, and drowsiness. Such effects are similar to those associated with GHB abuse and may resemble the results of alcohol intoxication. GHB analogs also may increase libido, suggestibility, passivity, and cause amnesia--traits that make users vulnerable to sexual assault and other criminal acts. Users awakening or emerging from coma may exhibit extreme combativeness, a condition which is also observed among those in withdrawal from addiction to GHB and its analogs. GHB analogs are known to produce side effects such as topical irritation to the skin and eyes, nausea, vomiting, incontinence, loss of consciousness, seizures, liver damage, kidney failure, respiratory depression, and even death. GHB analogs are physically addictive, causing addicts to experience severe withdrawal symptoms if they miss a dose or attempt to stop using the drug.

Some GHB analog abusers begin consuming dietary supplements believing the claims made by manufacturers, and then find themselves addicted to the product. GHB analogs typically are abused in place of GHB by users who want to experience the effects associated with GHB and who find the analogs more widely available or easily obtained. Often users are unaware that they are consuming an analog and mistakenly believe that the substance they are ingesting is GHB. Many users mix the analogs with flavored beverages to mitigate their salty flavor and unappealing odor. Some users, however, simply ingest the drugs straight or mixed with water. It is often difficult or impossible to detect the presence of GBL, BD, GHV, or GVL when they are mixed with other liquids because these analogs are all clear and colorless. A quick test that indicates the possible presence of GHB analogs or GHB in a clear liquid involves shaking the liquid. If it becomes cloudy, GHB analogs or GHB may be present.

Because GHB analogs either are metabolized into GHB by the human body or produce similar physiological effects when ingested, healthcare providers often are unable to distinguish between the abuse of GHB and GHB analogs. Thus, the rising abuse of GHB, evidenced by the increase in Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) emergency department mentions, reflects increased GHB analog use as well. (See Table 2.)

Code:
[b]Table 2. Emergency Department Mentions for GHB and GBL
in 22 Major U.S. Cities, 1994 - 2000.[/b]

.------.-------.
| Year | Total |
>------+-------< 
| 1994 |    56 | 
| 1995 |   145 |
| 1996 |   638 |
| 1997 |   762 |
| 1998 | 1,282 |
| 1999 | 3,178 |
| 2000 | 4,969 |
'------'-------'

Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services 
Administration, Drug Abuse Warning Network.

Distribution

GHB analogs are readily available, and various methods are used to distribute these drugs. Because of legislation (see Legislation section), GHB analogs are legally available only in products not intended for human consumption. Abusers and distributors may obtain commercial products such as chemical solvents legally and then illegally consume or distribute them. Illegal distribution of GHB analogs often occurs at raves, concerts, nightclubs, health clubs, gyms, and on college campuses. At these venues GHB analogs usually are sold for $10 to $20 per capful (approximately 1 teaspoonful). When distributors sell these drugs, they may fail to specify which analog they are selling, or they may misrepresent the analog as GHB.

GHB analogs also are distributed at disreputable stores that sell health food and nutritional supplements. The analogs also may be marketed on the Internet and then shipped to purchasers via package delivery services. Typically, analogs are marketed as dietary supplements, sleep aids, and cleaning products. They are packaged in bottles containing 4 to 20 ounces and sold for $40 to $100 each. The products that are distributed as dietary supplements usually contain GVL as the active ingredient, while the cleaning supplies usually contain GBL or BD. The concentration of the analog varies; therefore, the size of a dose may range from one-half teaspoon to one-half ounce, and the number of doses per bottle may range from 24 to 48.

Individuals who illegally produce GHB analogs for human consumption often list alternative chemical names to disguise the ingredients. Most users recognize the analog by the brand name or through advertisements that tout the product as a replacement for a similar product that has been removed from the market. Products that contained BD or GBL such as RenewTrient II, Serenity, Inner-G, Soma Solution, and Blue Nitro are no longer sold, primarily because of law enforcement pressure, but comparable products with similar brand names are available.

GHB analogs often are sold with disclaimers that they are not for human consumption; however, many of the products have labels implying that the product may be ingested. One product marketed as an industrial solvent has a label that states "Warning! Accidental ingestion of [product] will produce GHB in your body. If you ingest some by mistake, don't take alcohol or any other drug!" Another product label states "Warning: Accidental ingestion may cause...euphoria...increases tactile sensitivity...". Many of the products are marketed as "Great Household Bargains" (GHB) in order to increase their exposure to individuals seeking GHB analogs.

In addition to the distribution methods discussed previously, supplies, kits, and recipes for producing GHB using the GHB analog GBL are marketed and sold on the Internet.


Tests for GHB Analogs

Seized GHB analogs frequently are not identified because detection of such analogs requires specific field and laboratory testing. Three different color tests--cobalt nitrate, Marquis reagent, and Mandelin reagent--are useful for detecting the presence of GHB analogs. (Contact forensic laboratories to obtain specific instructions regarding utilizing these test kits.) Both the Marquis reagent and the Mandelin reagent tests are available commercially.

Routine toxicological screens do not detect GHB or GHB analogs; thus, law enforcement officers and medical personnel must order specific blood and urine tests when they suspect GHB analog abuse. The most common urine tests screen only for the "NIDA-5," five of the most commonly abused categories of drugs--amphetamines (amphetamines, methamphetamine), cocaine (powdered cocaine, crack), cannabinoids (marijuana, hash), opiates (heroin, opium, codeine, morphine), and phencyclidine (PCP). GHB in the blood or urine can result from the ingestion of GHB, GBL, or BD. To yield a reliable result, tests for GHB and GHB analogs must be performed not long after ingestion. Urine tests for GHB and GHB analogs must be performed within 12 hours after ingestion, and blood tests must be performed within 5 hours.

Federal, state, and local forensic laboratories may not routinely test for GHB in blood or urine. For example, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) began testing for GHB in urine on December 1, 2000, but tests are performed only if the suspect exhibits symptoms indicating the presence of GHB. FDLE does not have the resources to conduct blood tests; if blood tests are needed, the samples to be tested must be sent to outside laboratories--some of which are located in other states.

Because GHB analogs produce effects similar to GHB, driving under the influence of the analogs is just as dangerous as driving under the influence of GHB. As a result, some agencies have adopted aggressive strategies for identifying drivers who may have consumed GHB. The Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner's Office in Florida conducts GHB tests on drivers who are suspected of driving under the influence (DUI). In 2000 GHB was detected in approximately 8 percent of the suspected DUI cases that the office examined.


Legislation

On February 18, 2000, the "Hillory J. Farias and Samantha Reid Date-Rape Prohibition Act of 1999" (Public Law 106-172) was signed into law, legislating GHB as a Schedule I controlled substance. GBL was also regulated under this law as a List I controlled chemical. Illicit use of GHB analogs may now be prosecuted as Schedule I substances under 21 U.S. Code § 813.

GHB analogs are treated as controlled substances under Federal law only if intended for human consumption. According to 21 U.S.C. § 813, "a controlled substance analog(ue) shall, to the extent intended for human consumption, be treated, for the purposes of any Federal law as a controlled substance in Schedule I." Thus, authorities can prosecute drug offenses involving GHB analogs in the same manner as offenses involving GHB. (See 21 U.S.C. § 802(32) for the definition of a controlled substance analog(ue).)


Outlook

Deterring the distribution and abuse of GHB analogs poses unique challenges. Some analogs have legitimate purposes and are legally available. Distributors of illicit GHB analogs will continue to develop new products to disguise their activities, and illicit producers will continue to develop new GHB analogs for the same reasons. Web sites advertising these products will continue to be deceptive and ever-changing. Distributors will develop new disguises for GHB analogs in addition to marketing them as cleaning fluids and dietary supplements. Sharing current information and associated trends relating to GHB analogs among medical personnel, law enforcement officers, and laboratory personnel is essential to stemming the distribution and abuse of these analogs.

* * * * *

END OF ARTICLE.

BigTrancer :)
 
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