I've only taken MDMA once in my 20s. No idea how much but the comedown about 4 hours after taking it came on quick and was severe. Instant suicidal depression. I never touched it again but now in my 40s Ive taken an interest. The emerging studies and attitude toward therapeutic psychedelics (and MDMA) has got my attention. SO, is there always a massive comedown / mood drop when it wears off? Is it possible I took a high amount? It may have been cut too as that was the 90s and we werent testing shit.
Also, is it accurate that 10mg is the threshold for effects?
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1. If you had to come down 4 hours after taking MDMA, it probably wasn't MDMA.
I have probably taken 400 or 500 pills, and most of that was between 1998 and 2001.
Back when it was all MDMA, I never rolled less than 6 hours and it was basically pure wafer or baby aspirin size pills. It wasn't a lot of crap going around.
I also never had a crash unless I took three or four pills in one night and didn't hydrate and didn't take vitamin c beforehand and all that other stuff.
2. I've never lost the magic. When I have ascertained that it's been pure, MDMA it has always come through.
Same subjective effects since 1998 to just a short while ago.
Accordingly I have taken Molly or pills that somebody else had taken and it was safe (they didn't get sick and they didn't die, lol) but it wasn't ecstasy it wasn't MDMA. It was a reasonably close analog but it wasn't.
3. Your experience with a horrible anxiety ridden crash/suicidal ideation after 4 hours is not normal at all. It could be something specific to you, but that's not what happens normally. I think your theory that it was cut with something or was not MDMA is probably a valid theory.
4. If you took a really huge dose and by that I mean two or three pills then yeah that crash could happen but you would not have done at 4 hours. You would have been rolling until 8 or 10 hours with three pills.
5. 10 mg does nothing except taste shitty while you're holding in your mouth. They say 2 mg of Valium is the threshold dose yeah right. The real threshold dose to feel anything from MDMA. I put around 35 mg. And I feel something. I mean the back of your head is tingling and maybe you get a little extra sensation going on down at the y.
If you want a mild roll, 70 to 80 mg like was stated above would be good.
The supposed optimal dose is about 120 mg for a woman and about 150 mg for man.
I'm not a doctor so don't take my advice as any kind of medical advice. However, if you can get pure MDMA like being used in a test or experiments, titrate it up 20 mg, 30 mg, in 10 mg increments giving yourself days or weeks in between, until you get to a level that you are getting effects but you're not getting bad side effects.
But most of all you have to fully believe that it's not going to happen to you again or else you will have a shitty roll and you will be anxious and heart palpitations and norepinephrine and adrenaline will be surging more than normal on e and it will just be a shitshow.
Hope that helps. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. Ecstasy is the best drug that I've ever taken except for some of the benzofuran that David Nichols developed, the 5 & 6 APB, and the 5 & 6 APDB.
Used to be able to order them from RC suppliers. They they would come airmail.
I have to say that I can't remember which compound it is, but one of those four the time that I took a nice dose. It beat the snot out of MDMA.
Honestly in my opinion it was better - it was longer, and better, and I just wanted to love the whole world and I wanted them to come rub on me and kiss me and I wanted to listen to music and I wanted to tell everybody how much I love them.
And there was no come down at all. And you can literally do it again the next day and nothing's less.
Now one of those is like MDA on steroids plus MDMA. It's not really speedy but it is super trippy when you take a big dose and it lasts for like 24 to 28 hours. It was crazy.