Diphenhydramine tripping

[burgyiv]

The last three nights i have taken 400mg of diph. On the trip it was a great experience and i tried to replicate it the second night. I found that my speech was still slurred and that i still had a body load, but it went away fast and didn't last. The third day i felt little to no effect from it, so i did 200mg more with no results. I'm thinking about taking 800mg of diph tonight and wanted to know if i should expect any results from this?

 

[worklifenolife]

tolerance builds up fast so after 3 days in a row nothing will really happen that much, but i take about 400 to 600 everynight for sleep since im not able to get anything else, sometimes i get delirium where i cant really talk, have a body high and little visuals but its purely to get me to sleep so i dont even care for that. anyway you might want to wait a few days and if you have no tolerance dont take that much because of the adverse affects are worse then the high. maybe someone else can spread some light on this situation better lol im not the best at explaining anything. i just know about the tolerance

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

You need to stop and take at least a couple weeks off. Most psychedelics, deleriants, disassociatives, etc. build a rapid tolerance and eventually don't work even at ridiculous doses.

At this rate you are just going to end up getting extremely uncomfortable and dangerous side effects from high dose diphenhydramine. The only thing that will fix this is a couple week break.

 

[burgyiv]

You need to stop and take at least a couple weeks off. Most psychedelics, deleriants, disassociatives, etc. build a rapid tolerance and eventually don't work even at ridiculous doses.

At this rate you are just going to end up getting extremely uncomfortable and dangerous side effects from high dose diphenhydramine. The only thing that will fix this is a couple week break.

damn so even if i took like 1000mg i would feel no effect similar to the first trip?

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

You might get some effects but i doubt they are going to be nearly as pronounced as your first trip. You have to take breaks

 

[Hodor]

damn so even if i took like 1000mg i would feel no effect similar to the first trip?

I would strongly - STRONGLY - advise against taking extreme doses of diphenhydramine, especially on consecutive days.

Anticholinergics fuck around with all sorts of basic functions of nervous system that you *really* don't want to mess around with, including your heart rhythm. Keep this up, and you're going to end up dead sooner rather than later.

 

[exxplorer]

Hi everyone, I'm new here, hum not really I was here a very long time ago and my pseudo/pass aren't working, but it's ok, I'm there again haha.

So I also have a question about dosage, not tolerance.
I had some tripping time with DPH..
Once took 600 mg and went outside in the forest with only light, the full Moon, I got there with my dog during night for some hours (I had weed to roll and enjoy, but finally it was to hard to focus, humm, disapoited).
I had great hallucinations, nothing to much stressful, I saw giant birds in the trees, there were full of people in all car I had to pass near, speaking loud, but wen I focused into the cars there were nobody, talking to invisible people, seeing bugs and animals, I was a bit anxious by time to time, but I kept control of my action, completely, a typical trip on DPH for me.
But I was like in a dream, seeing people, new places, voices, but I felt relaxed, I don't know if I was walking and talking during this trip (has I did in "my dream") or if I sat somewhere..no idea and I don't care.

I once upped the dose to 750 mg + 50mg one hour after dosing, I lost part of control over what was happening, and I wasn't feeling well..I felt has my body was tied on the floor and my soul was outside of my body, just a few centimeters above my body, strange but ok..
And no amnesia, but only thing is that I'm still tripping the next morning.


But beyond 450 mg I feel Nothing!
Just lightly sedated (same as low dose benzo), with a nice (yes I am strange) bodyload. I like the warm feeling growing up inside of my body..
How is this possible?
It's like I have a minimal stage one, and go directly to a very mellow stage 2...

I know friends who are scared to go over 400mg, but on my side I feel nothing.

Can someone explain me how this is possible?
It's the same with all delirant, like DXM I need a big amount, I need the "eavy" dose to get minimal effects.

I'm very confused as I know nobody who has the same problem nor by my friends nor on the internet, there are people getting a full blow trip with as low as 300-350-400mg range. I would love it to!

Many thanks!

 

[TripSitterNZ]

Hi everyone, I'm new here, hum not really I was here a very long time ago and my pseudo/pass aren't working, but it's ok, I'm there again haha.

So I also have a question about dosage, not tolerance.
I had some tripping time with DPH..
Once took 600 mg and went outside in the forest with only light, the full Moon, I got there with my dog during night for some hours (I had weed to roll and enjoy, but finally it was to hard to focus, humm, disapoited).
I had great hallucinations, nothing to much stressful, I saw giant birds in the trees, there were full of people in all car I had to pass near, speaking loud, but wen I focused into the cars there were nobody, talking to invisible people, seeing bugs and animals, I was a bit anxious by time to time, but I kept control of my action, completely, a typical trip on DPH for me.
But I was like in a dream, seeing people, new places, voices, but I felt relaxed, I don't know if I was walking and talking during this trip (has I did in "my dream") or if I sat somewhere..no idea and I don't care.

I once upped the dose to 750 mg + 50mg one hour after dosing, I lost part of control over what was happening, and I wasn't feeling well..I felt has my body was tied on the floor and my soul was outside of my body, just a few centimeters above my body, strange but ok..
And no amnesia, but only thing is that I'm still tripping the next morning.


But beyond 450 mg I feel Nothing!
Just lightly sedated (same as low dose benzo), with a nice (yes I am strange) bodyload. I like the warm feeling growing up inside of my body..
How is this possible?
It's like I have a minimal stage one, and go directly to a very mellow stage 2...

I know friends who are scared to go over 400mg, but on my side I feel nothing.

Can someone explain me how this is possible?
It's the same with all delirant, like DXM I need a big amount, I need the "eavy" dose to get minimal effects.

I'm very confused as I know nobody who has the same problem nor by my friends nor on the internet, there are people getting a full blow trip with as low as 300-350-400mg range. I would love it to!

Many thanks!

Everybody has different brain chemistry so drugs will affect each person in unique way thats why some people are really sensetive and a low dose will blow them their mind while others have a strong natural tolerance

 

[exxplorer]

@TripSitterNZ , thanks for replying.

Ok I may have a big natural resistance to these kind of drugs, but isn't that strange to you?
Because I know nobody who is in the same situation, I'm thinking I may have a imbalance with some kind of chemicals in my brain, I'm very confused about that.

I once performed a datura trip, dis not know the dosage, but the only friend who wasn't afraid to try it out with me was freaking out for hours, while I was in a good mood, with strong but manageable hallucinations, again I was in another space and time, seeing amazing flowers with which I could talk to, and they materialised into (mostly) women shape, and I saw really nice places I never went to, it was nothing but scary for me, while my friend was crying at moment, I almost felt a high pleasure, I was feeling bad for him..., it was like I knew I was going to die somehow, but the pleasure was so much intense that I wasn't panicking, I Never got such bad trips (but it was physically too intense, almost orgasmic, I could not calm that feeling, it was overwhelming, so I don't want to try again).

But yea I can get that we have different brain chemistry but that's completely amazing and no one knows why I always feel great, no panic, and that it's always very mellow (appart for the datura trip, has I said physically it was exhausting (but good haha)).

All good people

 

[TripSitterNZ]

@TripSitterNZ , thanks for replying.

Ok I may have a big natural resistance to these kind of drugs, but isn't that strange to you?
Because I know nobody who is in the same situation, I'm thinking I may have a imbalance with some kind of chemicals in my brain, I'm very confused about that.

I once performed a datura trip, dis not know the dosage, but the only friend who wasn't afraid to try it out with me was freaking out for hours, while I was in a good mood, with strong but manageable hallucinations, again I was in another space and time, seeing amazing flowers with which I could talk to, and they materialised into (mostly) women shape, and I saw really nice places I never went to, it was nothing but scary for me, while my friend was crying at moment, I almost felt a high pleasure, I was feeling bad for him..., it was like I knew I was going to die somehow, but the pleasure was so much intense that I wasn't panicking, I Never got such bad trips (but it was physically too intense, almost orgasmic, I could not calm that feeling, it was overwhelming, so I don't want to try again).

But yea I can get that we have different brain chemistry but that's completely amazing and no one knows why I always feel great, no panic, and that it's always very mellow (appart for the datura trip, has I said physically it was exhausting (but good haha)).

All good people

You must also have a strong mind to withstand datura more than 50% of people who take it have a psychotic breakdown its stronger than dmt and very dangerous aswell. I would not stay you have a imbalance its just some of your receptors are more resistance aswell

 

[exxplorer]

Ok, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
No I will never recommend datura to anyone, I have been tripping with many kind of drugs, at high dosage often (once I knew how the drug affect me).
But yes the datura trip was really intense, and for my bad I had some kind of hallucinations/delirium all the week after, and hard to read stuff...often it lasted somewhere between 10 and 30 minutes, that was the most incapacitating afterglow I never had, and as I told you, I went really (to) high in drug intake (maybe, I think), now it's "almost" over, I still like psychedelics, but I rarely want a profound deep introspection (but sometimes it helps to know what is good or bad for me in instance, when in trouble in life); or empathy ( I once was to the point I didn't knew who I was, I recalled my name, I was asking myself and some good friends if I was bisexual because attracted to lots of people, women or men, they told me I might not be (I'm not) but complete ego death can be very very confusing and stressful, and that also can last after the trip finished).
But I'm fine don't worry.

Thanks again for your answer, as part of"mood control" I was used to meditate on large doses (mostly psocybin and LSD) (and it is NOT easy).

All good to you all, and be careful with dissociative drugs, they are almost everytime very confusing (even if I liked it, as I told you, on datura I was convinced I was dying or died, and that my soul left my body).. I'm not effraid about death, it may help.

 

[The Shadow Self]

In my opinion, I wouldn't do it if it was the only drug left on earth. Same with DXM. I don't enjoy any drug that has side-effects that are more significant than its primary effects. You might as well huff silver spray paint while your at it. But again, that's just me.

 

[Phenpsycho]

Take it from someone who has walked the path of daily diphenhydramine (ab)use on a run that lasted a couple of years; the place diphenhydramine can transport your mind/brain/body, isn't a healthy place to stay for an extended visit. I started using it in my psychonaught days after aready experiencing several Psilocybe Cubensis mushroom trips, marijuana, and DXM; none of those experiences prepared my body to undergo the neurological meatgrind process that happens when you ingest more than allergy sized doses of hallucinogenic anti-histamines. It took me a few years to recover 90% of my memory, stop thinking somewhat delusionally(manifested as pronoia when not on a trip and paranoia when I was tripped out), and to just feel sharp like I knew I felt before the diphenhydramine infatuation period started. I ruined relationships over the moodswings I would get always being in a dysphoric stupor, or rebounding and feeling sort of a hypomania from the diphenhydramine wearing off! I was also getting intrusive thoughts towards the end of my daily consumption, and that made my inclination to experience panic attacks even sober now much more likely. Weird intrusive thoughts about my behavior that I would never ever think of doing, like relieving myself in a busy ATM Kiosk with a long lineup. Stuff that seemed impossible for me, but possibly could by some small chance occur if I were to experience a full blown delirium in spite of my tolerance at the time. Your brain gets lots of strange thoughts to ponder running through it when you're taking diphenhydramine on a daily basis.

Now that I've said my bit to try and convince you not to take diphenhydramine multiple days in a row or in a chronic fashion, I'll answer your question. Diphenhydramine is a lot like classical 5-HT psychedelics in that tolerance to the hallucinogenic effects develops almost immediately, or after one or two experiences if you're lucky. After that, you'll have to increase the dosage higher and higher to unsafe levels to get delirium tier effects, and it's not a benign substance to compensate for tolerance with like most Phenethylamines/most Tryptamines/ most Dissociative's. When I was taking it daily I eventually settled on 250-450 mg dosages just to maintain a sense of distance from reality, and for the heightened level of arousal that made sex better and pornography more exciting. I probably would have had to take 1+ gram at that time to actually experience a deliriant trip from it when I was at that point in my usage.

Trust me when I say intelligence isn't missed up until its gone missing! For me, I used to think I was too intelligent and could afford to lose some IQ points, but now I wish I hadn't made such an ignorant appraisal. I was so scared after I came off of diphenhydramine that I got a Psychologist to IQ test me, and even though I was still a few point above average, I still haven't compared my IQ to when I was back in Highschool, I'm sure it probably dropped a few points though, as I can tell I'm not as sharp as I used to be. I'm hoping the remaining cognitive damage from using diphenhydramine daily eventually corrects itself...if not I learned a valuable life lesson in my case. I wouldn't suggest walking the same path I walked down with the stuff though. I tend to have to be a first-hand learner and glean understanding from actual experience, rather than the much safer way of doing research and reading into a subject, then stopping there if it doesn't sound like a good thing to get into!

 

[Phobos]

Trust me when I say intelligence isn't missed up until its gone missing! For me, I used to think I was too intelligent and could afford to lose some IQ points, but now I wish I hadn't made such an ignorant appraisal. I was so scared after I came off of diphenhydramine that I got a Psychologist to IQ test me, and even though I was still a few point above average, I still haven't compared my IQ to when I was back in Highschool, I'm sure it probably dropped a few points though, as I can tell I'm not as sharp as I used to be. I'm hoping the remaining cognitive damage from using diphenhydramine daily eventually corrects itself...if not I learned a valuable life lesson in my case. I wouldn't suggest walking the same path I walked down with the stuff though. I tend to have to be a first-hand learner and glean understanding from actual experience, rather than the much safer way of doing research and reading into a subject, then stopping there if it doesn't sound like a good thing to get into!

IQ normally drops from about 16 years of age where most people have their peak, IIRC.