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Okay, it appears to me that currently the consens in pharmacology is to have one drug that is as specific as possible to a certain target, e.g. very selective SSRIs, GABA-A subunit agonists, mu opioid agonists etc. Then, in some cases, it is being tried to put multiple targets into a single drug (e.g. vortioxetine, SSRI and 5-HT subtype agonist, neuroleptics with additional H1 or 5-HT antagonism etc). And to get a substance approved, it must show superior efficacy over currently available medicines - in a single substance. This concept appears to be significantely flawed to me.
Imo we should get away from that "one drug solves it all" thinking, and use a completely different approach - of course it is always the best to have upmost selective drugs (where this is possible), but this doesn't match with the expection of being superior to treat a certain disorder. Rather we should have kind of two-step approval. Step one concerns the safety of a given substance, e.g. it being non-toxic to organs etc. Step two involves treatment regimens that should be fine-tuned to specific subtypes of disorders and individuals, independent of if one or multiple drugs in varying dosages are required.
The best example that comes to my mind is for pain treatment, like a mu agonist and a NMDA antagonist - a pair that has shown to be superior to each one. But unless a single drug with optimal agonism:antagonism ratio could be found (something that very probably greatly differs between individuals nevertheless) we won't see this approach to get used widely because it is hard to make big money out of it unless we have a really rare disorder (why is Nuedexta approved and memantine/morphine etc. not?) Or for depression - if the use of a SSRI appears to have potential, then instead of developing something like vortioxetine, rather use a very selective SSRI and depending on the individual, some selective 5-HT agonists/antagonists, and if insomnia is present, use a selective H1 antagonist instead of adding quetiapine with its bunch of side effects, just look at constricted nose - something afaik many get from very low dosages of quetiapine - (okay, this combo would be possible e.g. hydroxyzine but Big Pharma teaches the docs to use quetiapine because of monetary reasons).
It really frustrates me when I think about all these innovative, promising approaches we have seen recently, like selective 5-HT2A inverse agonists, whatever, and they failed in "simple" trials to show superior efficacy. So they get withdrawn, and nobody is able to profit from all the efforts made to develop them, "even" if it was only a minority who would get actual benefits - but I'd bet that used in the right combinations, such selective drugs would indeed be very effective.
Well, probably this is all nothing new for you educated professionals, but likely many us are catched in this "we need one superior drug to treat a specific illness" thinking - including politicians etc.
I mean, everybody thinks that pharma companies are just after money, what is quite obvious. But the current situation makes them rather loose much money from the trialed and dumped drugs .. it would be the less worse solution for all if we could get away from what we have at the moment ...rigid systems fuck the world up..
Imo we should get away from that "one drug solves it all" thinking, and use a completely different approach - of course it is always the best to have upmost selective drugs (where this is possible), but this doesn't match with the expection of being superior to treat a certain disorder. Rather we should have kind of two-step approval. Step one concerns the safety of a given substance, e.g. it being non-toxic to organs etc. Step two involves treatment regimens that should be fine-tuned to specific subtypes of disorders and individuals, independent of if one or multiple drugs in varying dosages are required.
The best example that comes to my mind is for pain treatment, like a mu agonist and a NMDA antagonist - a pair that has shown to be superior to each one. But unless a single drug with optimal agonism:antagonism ratio could be found (something that very probably greatly differs between individuals nevertheless) we won't see this approach to get used widely because it is hard to make big money out of it unless we have a really rare disorder (why is Nuedexta approved and memantine/morphine etc. not?) Or for depression - if the use of a SSRI appears to have potential, then instead of developing something like vortioxetine, rather use a very selective SSRI and depending on the individual, some selective 5-HT agonists/antagonists, and if insomnia is present, use a selective H1 antagonist instead of adding quetiapine with its bunch of side effects, just look at constricted nose - something afaik many get from very low dosages of quetiapine - (okay, this combo would be possible e.g. hydroxyzine but Big Pharma teaches the docs to use quetiapine because of monetary reasons).
It really frustrates me when I think about all these innovative, promising approaches we have seen recently, like selective 5-HT2A inverse agonists, whatever, and they failed in "simple" trials to show superior efficacy. So they get withdrawn, and nobody is able to profit from all the efforts made to develop them, "even" if it was only a minority who would get actual benefits - but I'd bet that used in the right combinations, such selective drugs would indeed be very effective.
Well, probably this is all nothing new for you educated professionals, but likely many us are catched in this "we need one superior drug to treat a specific illness" thinking - including politicians etc.
I mean, everybody thinks that pharma companies are just after money, what is quite obvious. But the current situation makes them rather loose much money from the trialed and dumped drugs .. it would be the less worse solution for all if we could get away from what we have at the moment ...rigid systems fuck the world up..
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