Meth D-methamphetamine for the treatment of adhd (my experience)

[dev6strong]

For many years I tried to understand the reason why I can't work and concentrate effectively enough, until a psychiatrist diagnosed me with ADHD. Absolutely all psychostimulants
(ritalin, adderall, etc.) are banned in my country, so I started trying to get drugs on the black market and try to treat ADHD with them myself. I am quite young, I have not had any drug abuse
substance (with the exception of cigarettes and porn). At first I tried the usual amphetamine, but it did not suit me: too short a period of action, an unnecessary stimulating effect due to norepinephrine, which did not
allow me to work (sedentary work, I am a programmer). Just by a miracle, 9 months ago I managed to get pure crystal D-methamphetamine in the amount of 0.5g (500mg).

Let me remind you again, I had no tolerance for psychostimulants.
How I accurately calculated the dosage:
I took a large crystal and put it on a jewelry scale. Suppose the weight of the crystal was 50mg.
I took this crystal and dissolved it in 500ml of water (in a regular plastic bottle, a crystal of methamphetamine takes about 10 minutes to completely dissolve)
Further, with the help of ordinary kitchen scales, it is very convenient to measure the dosage: 10ml of water = 1mg of methamphetamine. This allows you to dose methamphetamine with an accuracy of 0.1mg!

In the first few days, I took a dose of 5 mg in the morning, immediately after waking up. All the symptoms of ADHD disappeared instantly, it became very easy to work, all the things had time to be done.
Unfortunately, I also felt euphoria, which means that the dosage of 5mg for me personally exceeds the usual therapeutic dosage.

After a while, I lowered the dosage to 2.5mg, then to 1 mg, and even later to ~ 0.7 mg per day.
This dosage became optimal for me, I did not experience euphoria, but only suppressed the symptoms of ADHD, however, there were side effects:
1) Sleep problems: Sleep has become quite shallow, I began to notice that 8-9 hours of sleep no longer allow me to get enough sleep. Even forced sleep at 12 o'clock did not solve the problem.
The problem was solved after taking quetiapine: half a tablet (12.5mg) before going to bed, and another half a tablet after 4-5 hours when waking up at night. Sleep has become much better, a side effect is
a slight weakness after waking up, which passes after an hour.
2) Very tired after a working week: especially after waking up, a feeling of "dopamine exhaustion". It is removed by another dose of methamphetamine, or, a few days of skipping
admission. Usually, I drink meth only on working days (Monday to Friday), and on weekends I rest.
3) Increased anxiety: anxiety has increased somewhat. An unpleasant symptom, considering my initially increased anxiety and social phobia in life in general.
I also plan to solve the problem with anxiety, but a little later (I look towards xanax, but I am very afraid of addiction and tolerance)(this is a separate topic, I will create it later)

In general, after 9 months of taking it, I have about half of what I bought almost a year ago (about 250mg) left
I am amazed how some people take 50mg at a time, I have a terrible fear that if I try such a quantity, I will like it so much that I will become addicted to methamphetamine
no longer for therapeutic, but for recreational purposes.

I can say that methamphetamine helped me to alleviate the symptoms of adhd by 75-80%, but slightly reduced the quality of life: I became a little more tired, as if there was less energy.
I ask for advice from you on how best to use this substance to reduce or completely remove the side harm (vitamins? l-tyrosine? sport? food? dopamine supplements? other medications?)

PS Strattera did not help, L-dopa gave a temporary effect, Razagilin is an interesting thing, I'm testing it.

 

[MedicinalUser247]

It's good that your sticking to those low doses. Like I aways say about Meth. 20 to 40mg is plenty. I know of a lot of people that do ridiculously high doses like 100 to 150mg of the stuff which pushes it to the limit of a dangerous dose. If not a dangerous dose. So, just be carful with the stuff. You don't want your heart to explode.

 

[WORLD_LEADER]

3) Increased anxiety: anxiety has increased somewhat. An unpleasant symptom, considering my initially increased anxiety and social phobia in life in general.

I also plan to solve the problem with anxiety, but a little later (I look towards xanax, but I am very afraid of addiction and tolerance)(this is a separate topic, I will create it later)

Have you tried vigorously exercising (cardio) every night? I wouldn’t go the benzo route. That’s asking for trouble. Benzo’s are bad news.

 

[negrogesic]

For many years I tried to understand the reason why I can't work and concentrate effectively enough, until a psychiatrist diagnosed me with ADHD. Absolutely all psychostimulants
(ritalin, adderall, etc.) are banned in my country, so I started trying to get drugs on the black market and try to treat ADHD with them myself. I am quite young, I have not had any drug abuse
substance (with the exception of cigarettes and porn). At first I tried the usual amphetamine, but it did not suit me: too short a period of action, an unnecessary stimulating effect due to norepinephrine, which did not
allow me to work (sedentary work, I am a programmer). Just by a miracle, 9 months ago I managed to get pure crystal D-methamphetamine in the amount of 0.5g (500mg).

Let me remind you again, I had no tolerance for psychostimulants.
How I accurately calculated the dosage:
I took a large crystal and put it on a jewelry scale. Suppose the weight of the crystal was 50mg.
I took this crystal and dissolved it in 500ml of water (in a regular plastic bottle, a crystal of methamphetamine takes about 10 minutes to completely dissolve)
Further, with the help of ordinary kitchen scales, it is very convenient to measure the dosage: 10ml of water = 1mg of methamphetamine. This allows you to dose methamphetamine with an accuracy of 0.1mg!

In the first few days, I took a dose of 5 mg in the morning, immediately after waking up. All the symptoms of ADHD disappeared instantly, it became very easy to work, all the things had time to be done.
Unfortunately, I also felt euphoria, which means that the dosage of 5mg for me personally exceeds the usual therapeutic dosage.

After a while, I lowered the dosage to 2.5mg, then to 1 mg, and even later to ~ 0.7 mg per day.
This dosage became optimal for me, I did not experience euphoria, but only suppressed the symptoms of ADHD, however, there were side effects:
1) Sleep problems: Sleep has become quite shallow, I began to notice that 8-9 hours of sleep no longer allow me to get enough sleep. Even forced sleep at 12 o'clock did not solve the problem.
The problem was solved after taking quetiapine: half a tablet (12.5mg) before going to bed, and another half a tablet after 4-5 hours when waking up at night. Sleep has become much better, a side effect is
a slight weakness after waking up, which passes after an hour.
2) Very tired after a working week: especially after waking up, a feeling of "dopamine exhaustion". It is removed by another dose of methamphetamine, or, a few days of skipping
admission. Usually, I drink meth only on working days (Monday to Friday), and on weekends I rest.
3) Increased anxiety: anxiety has increased somewhat. An unpleasant symptom, considering my initially increased anxiety and social phobia in life in general.
I also plan to solve the problem with anxiety, but a little later (I look towards xanax, but I am very afraid of addiction and tolerance)(this is a separate topic, I will create it later)

In general, after 9 months of taking it, I have about half of what I bought almost a year ago (about 250mg) left
I am amazed how some people take 50mg at a time, I have a terrible fear that if I try such a quantity, I will like it so much that I will become addicted to methamphetamine
no longer for therapeutic, but for recreational purposes.

I can say that methamphetamine helped me to alleviate the symptoms of adhd by 75-80%, but slightly reduced the quality of life: I became a little more tired, as if there was less energy.
I ask for advice from you on how best to use this substance to reduce or completely remove the side harm (vitamins? l-tyrosine? sport? food? dopamine supplements? other medications?)

PS Strattera did not help, L-dopa gave a temporary effect, Razagilin is an interesting thing, I'm testing it.

Don't mean to be dismissive, but to be entirely frank here, 700ug of d-methamphetamine seems almost beyond the range of perceptibility. The lowest strength of pharmaceutical desoxyn is 5mg (there used to be higher strength formulations), so you are taking nearly 1/10th of that (and most prescription call for 10mg to 40mg a day -- thus your daily dose is around 1/20th to 1/60th a normal dose of d-meth for ADHD). Unless you have some monoamine oxidase enzyme disorder (which you'd know by now anyhow), such a low dose is almost certainly not going to cause anxiety or insomnia (let alone, much of any kind of effect).

In fact, I can almost assure you that if you were blind dosed either plain water or water with 700ug of d-meth on alternating days by a third party, you'd wouldn't be able to reliably tell the difference between the two (with any statistical significance). Of course I could be wrong (almost anything is possible) but there is a very low probability that 700ug of d-methamphetamine would have such profound effects (again, short of some rare MAO enzyme irregularity, which would have reared its head by now due to the serious implications such a disorder would have).

Adding xanax to combat perceived anxiety induced from 700 micrograms of d-meth would be an enormous mistake that defies logic.

 

[cdin]

Don't mean to be dismissive, but to be entirely frank here, 700ug of d-methamphetamine seems almost beyond the range of perceptibility. The lowest strength of pharmaceutical desoxyn is 5mg (there used to be higher strength formulations), so you are taking nearly 1/10th of that (and most prescription call for 10mg to 40mg a day -- thus your daily dose is around 1/20th to 1/60th a normal dose of d-meth for ADHD). Unless you have some monoamine oxidase enzyme disorder (which you'd know by now anyhow), such a low dose is almost certainly not going to cause anxiety or insomnia (let alone, much of any kind of effect). I can almost assure you that if you were blind dosed plain water and water with 700ug of d-meth on alternating days by a third party, you'd wouldn't be able to reliable tell the difference between the two with any statistical significance. Of course I could be wrong (almost anything is possible) but there a very low probability that 700ug of d-methamphetamine would have such profound effects (again, short of some MAO enzyme irregularity, which would have reared its head before now).

Adding xanax to combat perceived anxiety induced from 700 micrograms of d-meth would be an enormous mistake that defies logic.

yes want to second that. forming a benzo habit over this would be a f00kin disaster3

 

[dev6strong]

Don't mean to be dismissive, but to be entirely frank here, 700ug of d-methamphetamine seems almost beyond the range of perceptibility. The lowest strength of pharmaceutical desoxyn is 5mg (there used to be higher strength formulations), so you are taking nearly 1/10th of that (and most prescription call for 10mg to 40mg a day -- thus your daily dose is around 1/20th to 1/60th a normal dose of d-meth for ADHD). Unless you have some monoamine oxidase enzyme disorder (which you'd know by now anyhow), such a low dose is almost certainly not going to cause anxiety or insomnia (let alone, much of any kind of effect). I can almost assure you that if you were blind dosed plain water and water with 700ug of d-meth on alternating days by a third party, you'd wouldn't be able to reliable tell the difference between the two with any statistical significance. Of course I could be wrong (almost anything is possible) but there a very low probability that 700ug of d-methamphetamine would have such profound effects (again, short of some MAO enzyme irregularity, which would have reared its head before now).

Adding xanax to combat perceived anxiety induced from 700 micrograms of d-meth would be an enormous mistake that defies logic.

Yes, exactly 0.7mg (but let's round it up to 1 mg to make it easier), and this dose already causes tangible effects, such as relief of adhd symptoms.
Doses higher (2.5mg+) cause already quite pleasant euphoria, hyperfocus at work, but very unpleasant side effects in the evening and the next morning.
I have rechecked the doses many times, I am not mistaken in the calculations, 1mg is really 1mg.

How do I know if everything is fine with MAO?

I had the idea about xanax not because of anxiety as a side effect of methamphetamine, but to treat my anxiety disorder in general, which I have
I've been around all my life. Is it possible to take xanax, for example, for 10 years in a row, in the same dosage every day? Will there be addiction to the anxiolytic
effect? Will there be a decrease in cognitive abilities?

 

[4meSM]

I think negrogesic is right, this sounds like the placebo effect to be honest (which is a real thing).

 

[cdin]

Yes, exactly 0.7mg (but let's round it up to 1 mg to make it easier), and this dose already causes tangible effects, such as relief of adhd symptoms.
Doses higher (2.5mg+) cause already quite pleasant euphoria, hyperfocus at work, but very unpleasant side effects in the evening and the next morning.
I have rechecked the doses many times, I am not mistaken in the calculations, 1mg is really 1mg.

How do I know if everything is fine with MAO?

I had the idea about xanax not because of anxiety as a side effect of methamphetamine, but to treat my anxiety disorder in general, which I have
I've been around all my life. Is it possible to take xanax, for example, for 10 years in a row, in the same dosage every day? Will there be addiction to the anxiolytic
effect? Will there be a decrease in cognitive abilities?

benzos are NOT a suitable treatment for anxiety. they create long term physical dependence in the worst way and damage the systems that are creating the anxiety, making it worse over time. they require increasing dosages and definitely decrease cognitive abilities both acutely and as a whole over time.

 

[ninjapirateroberts]

Don't mean to be dismissive, but to be entirely frank here, 700ug of d-methamphetamine seems almost beyond the range of perceptibility. The lowest strength of pharmaceutical desoxyn is 5mg (there used to be higher strength formulations), so you are taking nearly 1/10th of that (and most prescription call for 10mg to 40mg a day -- thus your daily dose is around 1/20th to 1/60th a normal dose of d-meth for ADHD). Unless you have some monoamine oxidase enzyme disorder (which you'd know by now anyhow), such a low dose is almost certainly not going to cause anxiety or insomnia (let alone, much of any kind of effect).

In fact, I can almost assure you that if you were blind dosed either plain water or water with 700ug of d-meth on alternating days by a third party, you'd wouldn't be able to reliably tell the difference between the two (with any statistical significance). Of course I could be wrong (almost anything is possible) but there is a very low probability that 700ug of d-methamphetamine would have such profound effects (again, short of some rare MAO enzyme irregularity, which would have reared its head by now due to the serious implications such a disorder would have).

Adding xanax to combat perceived anxiety induced from 700 micrograms of d-meth would be an enormous mistake that defies logic.

When I use to self medicate with meth for ADHD, I tried 5, 10, and 15 mg first. And none of the them worked. 15 mg only gave me the feeling that I took some drug but didn’t suppress my symptoms. I found the sweet spot to be 22 mg (mind you when I experimented with this dose, I never had previous stimulant experience besides cocaine which I quit 4 weeks prior to trying out the doses, so no prior tolerance). I had to take a day break between every 2 days, because if I take the meth dose for 3 days straight, I won’t “feel” it and the symptoms come back (even with proper sleep, diet, and no redosing). 5 mg only did something when I tried sublingual route, but that gave me worst panic attack so never tried it again. Still have my meth doses on my table (collecting dust).

 

[negrogesic]

When I use to self medicate with meth for ADHD, I tried 5, 10, and 15 mg first. And none of the them worked. 15 mg only gave me the feeling that I took some drug but didn’t suppress my symptoms. I found the sweet spot to be 22 mg (mind you when I experimented with this dose, I never had previous stimulant experience besides cocaine which I quit 4 weeks prior to trying out the doses, so no prior tolerance). I had to take a day break between every 2 days, because if I take the meth dose for 3 days straight, I won’t “feel” it and the symptoms come back (even with proper sleep, diet, and no redosing). 5 mg only did something when I tried sublingual route, but that gave me worst panic attack so never tried it again. Still have my meth doses on my table (collecting dust).

Side note, I can't tell what capsule size are used here (000?) but those look more like 35mg, at least from what I recall with the crystal meth I had. But photos are deceiving I suppose.

 

[ninjapirateroberts]

Side note, I can't tell what capsule size are used here (000?) but those look more like 35mg, at least from what I recall with the crystal meth I had. But photos are deceiving I suppose.

I believe these capsules are 000. I took the capsules from an old iron supplement (which is why they look kinda dirty). I have a $60 milligram scale and usually measure it twice to make sure it's within 20 mg - 23 mg range. I know these cheap scales aren't very accurate but that's the best I got. The photo is zoomed in and I took the pic closer to the pills just to make the crystals more visible.

 

[dev6strong]

I believe these capsules are 000. I took the capsules from an old iron supplement (which is why they look kinda dirty). I have a $60 milligram scale and usually measure it twice to make sure it's within 20 mg - 23 mg range. I know these cheap scales aren't very accurate but that's the best I got. The photo is zoomed in and I took the pic closer to the pills just to make the crystals more visible.

Indeed, these crystals look quite large. I have the same effects as you (a decrease in the effect if taken for several days in a row), but the doses are much smaller (no more than 1 mg). Maybe I have a problem with MAO?

 

[ninjapirateroberts]

Indeed, these crystals look quite large. I have the same effects as you (a decrease in the effect if taken for several days in a row), but the doses are much smaller (no more than 1 mg). Maybe I have a problem with MAO?

You're most likely experiencing a placebo effect since I doubt 1 mg would actually work, or you're unintentionally taking a larger dose than you assume (since you're dissolving it in water and then taking it) - unless you're taking it sublingually, taking 1 mg orally isn't even a threshold dose IMO.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

You might want to know that some people claim that there is possibility of gaining hypersensitization of dopamine receptors by consuming microdoses of stimulants. It is somewhat complex, and I have somewhat internalized the idea of it, but I am getting pretty fucking wasted so I think you are better off looking about it yourselves. There is very little science behind it and remarkable amount of anecdotal reports. I can only say that in the first glance, there seems to be no obvious issues with the studies done, maybe far-stretched interpretations. And overall the theory that it could happen is internally coherent. But I don't know if it holds the water when observing it through scientific data that has gained solid position.

 

[dev6strong]

You're most likely experiencing a placebo effect since I doubt 1 mg would actually work, or you're unintentionally taking a larger dose than you assume (since you're dissolving it in water and then taking it) - unless you're taking it sublingually, taking 1 mg orally isn't even a threshold dose IMO.

Please note that I take pure D-methamphetamine, it is 2 (almost) times more active than regular racemate in the same dosage. Also, if I had observed the placebo effect, then I would not have problems with sleep, fatigue, etc. 5mg of D-methamphetamine cause a very strong euphoria, which, well, should not be from therapeutic dosages of this drug at all. Maybe my methamphetamine is better absorbed due to dissolution in water, so I can assume that my 1mg is similar to 5mg of regular methamphetamine taken in crystal form

 

[4meSM]

Please note that I take pure D-methamphetamine, it is 2 (almost) times more active than regular racemate in the same dosage. Also, if I had observed the placebo effect, then I would not have problems with sleep, fatigue, etc.

Just because you're experiencing those symptoms doesn't mean they're caused by methamphetamine.
Were you taking strattera, L-dopa and rasagiline during the same time period? Could be a side effect from the MAO-B inhibitor.
Are you self medicating or are those prescribed for some condition? And what about quetiapine? That can cause fatigue.

 

[dev6strong]

Just because you're experiencing those symptoms doesn't mean they're caused by methamphetamine.
Were you taking strattera, L-dopa and rasagiline during the same time period? Could be a side effect from the MAO-B inhibitor.
Are you self medicating or are those prescribed for some condition? And what about quetiapine? That can cause fatigue.

When taking strattera and methamphetamine at the same time, the symptoms of fatigue, insomnia and anxiety multiply, I no longer take these drugs together. I do not take L-dopa, I take razagilin extremely rarely. Quetiapine, on the contrary, helps me fall asleep, without it, sleep is extremely shallow and does not restore my strength at all. In my country, amphetamine-type psychostimulants are prohibited, so I take them on my own

 

[Rampage St]

Having 250 mg of meth last you 9 months to be is a world record feat. That amount would last me no longer than 48 hours.

 

[Keif' Richards]

We know from research that using higher dosages of addictive drugs correlates directly with the addictive potential of said drug. Someone who injects 50mg of Methamphetamine will become addicted "faster", if you will than someone taking D-Amphetamine 5mg orally.

Drugs like Amphetamines can be used long-term maintaining their therapeutic benefit. This is only the case if the utmost caution and responsibility are practiced. Only use what it takes to make your symptoms manageable, never more. I'm also a recovering addict who has a stimulant prescription (Dextroamphetamine). I was never a stimulant addict though, so keep that in mind.

1mg Dextroamphetamine is like nothing. It makes me question the validity of your product when you say less than 1 milligram is enough to give you severe insomnia. Most people wouldn't be able to tell with surety that they'd actually taken a drug. For most folks, the threshold is going to be 5mg Dextroamphetamine orally to see subjectively, clinically noticeable effects.

As far as things that can help offset the negative side-effects of Amphetamines, you've got options.

Benzodiazepines

Not at all advised. They work like a charm. They are also highly addictive. They're only "effective" for 6 weeks at most. After the 4 week mark, you will start seeing a noticeable decrease in the efficacy of the Benzodiazepines. I am including this in the thread just because I know it will come up in conversation. I do not suggest using Benzodiazepines.

Herbs

L-Theanine, Valerian, Passionflower are just a few of the commonly-used sedatin/anxiolytic herbs that you can find either at the supermarket or a supplement/vitamin shop. I find Theanine and Passionflower to be very effective for me. As with everything, make sure you're buying something legitimate. I mentioned the supermarket, but Ideally, you're not getting this stuff at the supermarket.

Kava

Kava is a tree/shrub that contains sedative/anxiolytic compounds known as Kavalactones. There are folks who swear by Kava both as a remedy for situations like yours and on its own as a recreational substance. It doesn't seem to have risk for addiction/tolerance. I'm sure tolerance is there in some form, I just have never heard anyone actually describe it.

These are some good starting suggestions. Let me know how you feel about this stuff. We can throw some more suggestions at you if need be.

 

[Rampage St]

We know from research that using higher dosages of addictive drugs correlates directly with the addictive potential of said drug. Someone who injects 50mg of Methamphetamine will become addicted "faster", if you will than someone taking D-Amphetamine 5mg orally.

Drugs like Amphetamines can be used long-term maintaining their therapeutic benefit. This is only the case if the utmost caution and responsibility are practiced. Only use what it takes to make your symptoms manageable, never more. I'm also a recovering addict who has a stimulant prescription (Dextroamphetamine). I was never a stimulant addict though, so keep that in mind.

1mg Dextroamphetamine is like nothing. It makes me question the validity of your product when you say less than 1 milligram is enough to give you severe insomnia. Most people wouldn't be able to tell with surety that they'd actually taken a drug. For most folks, the threshold is going to be 5mg Dextroamphetamine orally to see subjectively, clinically noticeable effects.

As far as things that can help offset the negative side-effects of Amphetamines, you've got options.

Benzodiazepines

Not at all advised. They work like a charm. They are also highly addictive. They're only "effective" for 6 weeks at most. After the 4 week mark, you will start seeing a noticeable decrease in the efficacy of the Benzodiazepines. I am including this in the thread just because I know it will come up in conversation. I do not suggest using Benzodiazepines.

Herbs

L-Theanine, Valerian, Passionflower are just a few of the commonly-used sedatin/anxiolytic herbs that you can find either at the supermarket or a supplement/vitamin shop. I find Theanine and Passionflower to be very effective for me. As with everything, make sure you're buying something legitimate. I mentioned the supermarket, but Ideally, you're not getting this stuff at the supermarket.

Kava

Kava is a tree/shrub that contains sedative/anxiolytic compounds known as Kavalactones. There are folks who swear by Kava both as a remedy for situations like yours and on its own as a recreational substance. It doesn't seem to have risk for addiction/tolerance. I'm sure tolerance is there in some form, I just have never heard anyone actually describe it.

These are some good starting suggestions. Let me know how you feel about this stuff. We can throw some more suggestions at you if need be.

You forgot about heroin, but yes it’s not scientifically plausible or possible that 1 mg would impair sleep even directly after let alone 12 hours later