Fantastic post, a research link like this needed finding and posting years ago. Thank you for finding at posting one!! This is so good to know, I always wondered if ther was any scientific research into CWEs and now I know!I used to used a our 500ml for one whole pack of co-codamol but it is way too much.
Codeine phosphate is very soluble in water, about 60mg I think dissolves in 1ml of water.
For 300mg codeine phosphate I've seen people on here say to use 30ml to 50ml (Very cold!) at most!
Here's a link via an Aussie Uni about CWE on codeine with ibuprofen, aspirin and paracetamol.
The CWE's have high rates of paracetamol and aspirin in them too.
I've not read it all yet though.
I forgot to mention that if one is employing a CWE of codeine phosphate from paracetamol, look after your liver and kidneys by taking a methionine supplement. For many years UK doctors could prescribe Pameton (500mg paracetamol + 250mg dl-methionine). Indications were pain relief in patients at risk of suicide.
While I most certainly don't think dl-methionine makes gobbling down huge amounts of paracetamol a good life choice, the fact it was produced for decades and was responsible for no fatal overdoses shows it's utility.
Same, I'm shocked that CWEs allow 70-80% of the paracetomol to get through.The more i've read reckon i am consuming a tonne of a paracetamol.
Hang on - no time atm to do the reading, but is this definitely true?I only read the abstract, which contained the salient findings, that basically any paracetomol CWEs and you're still going to be left with 70%-80% of the paracetomol.
Same, I'm shocked that CWEs allow 70-80% of the paracetomol to get through.
Everyone seemed so sure that CWEs were such a great trick, but it seems that's not the case. At least not with the paracetomol formulations.
One study isn't the final word though, ideally there would be numerous studies all saying the same thing. And If I ever do any more CWEs I should read the whole paper, and not just the abstract.
I've just seen that ibuprofen + codeine meds are not cheap, around £12 as opposed to £2.50 or so for the paracetomol and 8mg codeine jobbies. With those kind of prices the ibuprofens aren't such a bargain, and if anyone can afford the extra £20 or so to get pure codeine, with no fucking about with CWEs required, then that would obviously be the better option.
Direct quote from the abstract " It was found that CWE is able toHang on - no time atm to do the reading, but is this definitely true?
And if so how come the common belief held for years (decades?) concerning this has been sooo wide of the mark?
I have no skin in the game really, I can't stand codeine. I do however know of some local youngsters who do this on the regular (and also plenty people who've done this to excess in the past and appear to have no liver issues)
I don't think CWEs are well known of at all outside of communites like this. Various people I spoke to in treatment services were really quite stunned about the whole process when I mentioned it.Yeah its made the option of £30 for a box of 30mg codeine pills the wiser option really. Which isn't that great a deal at say 300mg a dose really to get high.
These ibruprofen formations. Are they common enough to just ask for in the chemist? Or are they aware they're better for CWE?
Can anyone answer that? @AlsoTapered maybe?I also question the common belief regarding CWEs that has held for decades. What was it ever based on? Did anyone ever actually test their CWE water for levels of paracetomol?
But there does need to be a consenus of studies with the same results. One study could be an outlier for a variety of reasons.
I don't think CWEs are well known of at all outside of communites like this. Various people I spoke to in treatment services were really quite stunned about the whole process when I mentioned it.
Apparently they ibuprofen codeine tabs can be used for toothace when the lesser oain killers have failed. That should be all you need to say somrthing along those lines.
I agree that it is poor VFM though. As Zopiclone Bandit said something along the lines of 'why not just do heroin'. I can see his point but of course not everyone wants to be doing heroin.
It's not for everybody is it. It's a whole different league of drug imo.
Can anyone answer that? @AlsoTapered maybe?
I appreciate the level of responseBut trust me on the dl-methionine. I can state with absolute honesty that their is no conflict of interest. Whatever you decide to do, I won't profit from any choices you make.
NO medicine is risk-free.
Please check every fact I have asserted. I do my best but just because I assert a fact doesn't mean I'm not mistaken. I can only do my best.