Thanks, but I haven't even got any base yet since I first want to make sure I can consume the base in any way except for smoking. The only reason I want to know if I can consume base orally is because an extraction technique I want to use requires creating a base.
This is just a guess and I haven't found any papers but the base shouldn't be absorbed well due to protonation (may be absorbed better in the more basic parts in the gut depending on pKa)
If one ingested base it seems like it would be converted to a HCl through stomach acid in a similar manner to Phenibut FAA that gets converted in your gut through stomach acid. The issue of converting it in water is the length of time it sits in solution.
Ingestion would be a quick conversion/ absorption I suppose. Any thoughts on this KK?
To be honest I'm not sure, chemistry was always my weakness. But afaik drugs in their salt form dissociate in the stomache/gut into the charged drug and salt
Sorry if this has been answered already (didn?t have the patience to read the whole thread) but how do you know when it?s time to replace the chore? When I do I seem to not get as high at first, probably due to all the resin left from the old chore. I just put in a new one when the old one is clogged.
this is awsome. I was wanting something like this. it would be really helpful for me also, if someone could do a step by step guide to cooking up crack with pictures. I'm not sure if that's allowed here, but I've seen similair guides with methylphenidate and other drugs.
When I do crack, I try to wait a certain amount of time between each hit. Usually it would be a half hour between each hit but if I have crappy stuff I'll go ahead and just wait 15 mins between each hit. I used to get fire hard but the quality locally seems to have degraded somewhat. I found a delivery service though, guy actually comes up here once a week from Baltimore, so when I get from him it's usually in the range of decent to awesome. I don't always have the money on the day he comes though so if I'm feeling like smoking, I'll wait until I have the funds and then go get it from Camden or Elizabeth. It's easy to locate in both places, not the safest areas but you do a quick transaction then walk away fast (or drive if I have a ride, I don't got a car)
Several general crack questions:smoking techniques,amounts,activities,and resin
Okay, so i've search the internet and bluelight extensively, and i have only found vague answers, or unable to find answers at all. So here are the questions: (Oh, and if you don't feel like reading this all or don't want to answer that many, the 2 most important questions are #2 and #9 )
1) how much should someone load in one hit? how much is too big? i want to get a 'bellringer', so like the size of a pea, or a rice grain? Can u compare it to something else similar in size?
2) How does one, technically speaking, smoke it, specifically with the lighter? Give steps,please? (using a glass tube and chore,btw) One way SWIM has seen is holding the lighter under it until it crackles, and continually holding it underneath while breathing slow and taking hit for long time, maybe 30seconds or more. Another way is holding lighter under it until it melts, then pointing downward and allowing flame to be sucked in and touch rock. Which is more effective, or both? It seems as if the flame would scorch it all away which wouldn't be good, but holding it under it for a long time would seem that you wouldnt get as strong of a hit...?
3) how long do you wait between hits? Is waiting 20-30 minutes good, or 15min, or only as long as it takes to load the next hit? Like SWIM has heard that smoking hits consecutively wont get you any higher, and you have to wait a while between hits to get the full effect(letting your brain regenerate some dopamine,whereas consecutive wouldnt do anything because theres very little dopamine after a hit).
4) when exhaling, sometimes theres no smoke. However, when my friend hits it (even if its a smaller hit), he blows out a lot of smoke. Is this because its in your lungs longer (can you 'ghost' crack smoke?) or is it just not as good of hits? Do you blow out smoke every time?
5)ive read that exhaling out the nose is good because it will allow the nasal passages to absorb extra that the lungs didn't get. Does this actually work? And also, does exhaling into a balloon and re-inhaling it help either?
6) Does putting the pipe in the freezer after each hit help? Heard that it can help build the resin up better.
7)What activities do you like to do while smoking? tv, music, computer, or anything else thats a good idea? and what are thigns NOT to do?
8) what is an 'acetone wash' with crack? (or ether?) Smoked some crack one time that gave a terrible terrible chemical feeling in the lungs, and just wasn't sure if some extra step to 'purify' the crack had been done, somehow it had been cut, the butane from the lighter, if it was just that batch, or some other factor unknown.
9) How do you smoke the resin? Can never seem to get good resin hits, only a faint crack taste with mostly heat from the lighter. However, ive heard that the resin hits can be even better than the regular ones, and my friends always get good ones.
Ive heard two methods:1) push the brillo back to a spot where its white, usually just in front of the middle of the tube and right before the brillo is where it starts, then hold it at an angle, and hold the lighter under that same spot. It turns clear (from melting) and after holding the lighter there long enough, it begins to smoke and you can literally see the smoke just sitting in the tube, then suck that out, let cool and repeat.
2) Pushing the brillo. SWIM isn't very good at this, and has seen the brillo pushed back towards the mouth end and twist it around inside until the brillo looks white, and the spot where the resin was, is clear. Then push it back to the 'hit' end, hold the lighter under to heat it a bit, and then suck the flame in fully and have it touching the brillo. When doing this, should you push it along the whole length of the tube? or is half enough...?
Please describe how to do this properly,because when ur fiending and get terrible resin hits, it just makes it worse.
10) How long should is best to hold each hit? Ive heard 'as long as possible' but what's the point when its either too long or pointless to keep holding? Sometimes holding it 60 seconds and longer,but is it an issue that holding it that long would allow the crack to start to stick to the inside of your lungs, like resin on the inside of the glass tube. Is that possible? And how long do you hold it?
11) Last question: occasionally when breaking the rock up, it crumbles a bit or shavings come off, and theres a pile of powder. How do you load that? Usually just press a finger on it, and it sticks, then wipes it on the inside edge of the tube. But is there a better way to do this? And related to that, comparing two hits of the same size, is it better with the rock whole or broken up? (broken up might provide more surface area to smoke more)
Sorry for so many questions 8( , but ive done hours and hours of research and havent been able to find straight forward answers.
Thanks in advance
P.S. Does crack make you super talkative? its almost like being on ecstasy, talking for hours and hours about nothing and being super forgetful, even to the point where you stop mid sentence and forgets every word.
And do you use a new tube/brillo each 'session'? Or can you wash them out and reuse?
Quick question about how cuts change the finished product.
Sometimes when I cook my coke, it comes out hard right away. I put a rock in the pipe and can usually get a ringer...
This last batch we picked up tho everytime we cooked it, it came out (for lack of a better term) goopy. Kind of mushy and not hard. It would somewhat harden after a few minutes, still broke apart easily, but when we smoked it, none of us were able to catch a ringer.
I also noticed my heart rate was elevated MUCH more than from the stuff that comes out hard, and my friends seemed to be a lot sketchier, constantly looking out the window, walking down stairs, checking the garage. I was feeling sketchier too but I usually just spam games of solitaire on the computer to keep me from looking out windows and checking the entire house 50x in 1 night.
I was thinking the consistency of the finished product could be because of an amphetamine cut? I know it was cooked enough because we didn't taste any soda in it. FWIW, taking lines made my entire face (mainly behind the eyes) sting for an hour after just 1 line (hence why we decided to just cook it)
Anyone have any insight? I know you cant tell me what its cut with from a post but is there a potential amphetamine cut causing the product to come out mushy?
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Forgot to mention, this goopy stuff was FIENDISH AS HELL. Usually I can smoke 2 bags with my roommates and we can go to bed knowing we still have more. Not this stuff.
Anyone have any insight? I know you cant tell me what its cut with from a post but is there a potential amphetamine cut causing the product to come out mushy?
This is just a guess, but if you find the effects last too long and are too sketchy-stimulant-like, and a different taste, it could be levamisole. Used to be a really common cut as it cooked back into crack, and also produced a stimulant effect (metabolizes into aminorex).
When I do crack, I try to wait a certain amount of time between each hit. Usually it would be a half hour between each hit but if I have crappy stuff I'll go ahead and just wait 15 mins between each hit. I used to get fire hard but the quality locally seems to have degraded somewhat. I found a delivery service though, guy actually comes up here once a week from Baltimore, so when I get from him it's usually in the range of decent to awesome. I don't always have the money on the day he comes though so if I'm feeling like smoking, I'll wait until I have the funds and then go get it from Camden or Elizabeth. It's easy to locate in both places, not the safest areas but you do a quick transaction then walk away fast (or drive if I have a ride, I don't got a car)
Man i live exactly 4 blocks Sway from a known old 20years+ Cocaine spot thst they Sell 0.7 wraps for <=2 srallod"" a wrap if u Know what I'm saying. Having this plug near me Is a fking curse, altho. I've msnaged to control my habit unlike morphine that fks me in the ass. Ahhh the wonders of living in the 2nd biggest exportar of cocsine, PERU.
Cocaine Is cheap as fuck, i cook my own rocks when i smoke AND only spend a lil bit of money to get high, good quality tho. I dont do it too often , very addictive substance.
I mean in general. How is Peru? Beautiful I bet. Is this damn cornavirous bullshit over there too? I wish I could get that good shit here. Straight fuxxin garbage 98% of the time.
Man i live exactly 4 blocks Sway from a known old 20years+ Cocaine spot thst they Sell 0.7 wraps for <=2 srallod"" a wrap if u Know what I'm saying. Having this plug near me Is a fking curse, altho. I've msnaged to control my habit unlike morphine that fks me in the ass. Ahhh the wonders of living in the 2nd biggest exportar of cocsine, PERU.
I noticed just about every "mainstream" drug, and even a big handful of more obscure/exotic chemicals have their own "mega thread" (not as much here in OD as, say, in the psychedelic forum, where seemingly 95% percent of tryptamines/phenethylamines/any freakin' even remotely hallucinogenic chemical compound has its own dedicated official discussion topic, while here in OD, apart from heroin and maybe a couple others, we have no "megathreads."
So I figured, fuck it, if no one has bothered to do it, then I might as well take it into my own hands. So I present to you, the crack cocaine (unofficial (hopefully, only temporarily)) mega discussion/questions & answers thread, partly in the spirit of giving the few crack users who frequent OD
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(I don't particularly like stereotyping every single person who uses crack voluntarily as being a "crackhead" (meaning, those who use on a semi-regular/infrequent basis, ranging from the occasional once-a-month one-day binge smoker, all the way down to the everyday users who consider crack to be their primary drug of choice (the "baseheads," as some would describe them as), but those are unsurprisingly the ones who end up broke and homeless and who the term of "crackhead" usually refers to), mostly because of the vast amount of stigma attached to that term, and it annoys me to no end seeing non-users (even those who use other "hard" drugs like heroin and meth, yet won't touch crack all the while going about their day lying and stealing to support their $160/day IV heroin habit) call just about anyone who's ever smoked a rock a "crackhead."),
regardless how few they are, and how unpopular crack and its users may be around here
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(considering OD should really stand for "Opiate Discussion" instead, since 80% of all posts on here are about heroin & pharmaceutical opioids.
It's actually not such a bad idea having an opiate-only forum, since opiates seem to be the principal drugs of choice among OD posters, and creating a dedicated forum just for them would clear up a lot of space in the actual Other Drugs forum, making space for more posts about benzos, stimulants, etc., rather than being submerged, like they are now, by all the "1st time shooting dope - help!" and "Can't shit on methadone" sort of posts...again, *hint hint*),
this thread could be a haven for any and all questions related to crack, crack smoking and injecting techniques and methods, health issues related to crack cocaine use, crack "culture" (one I certainly don't want to take any part in, despite my regular (but carefully managed) use of the drug), purifying rocks, and much more, like miscellaneous Qs such as best type of filter/screen to use, or how to get the most resin out of your pipe, shit like that.
Anyways, I'll start with the first questions, and some advice about smoking, to go with it. The questions: Does size and width of the pipe used for smoking matter significantly? Obviously a 4 inch long pipe, 1/3 inch diameter stem is going to be much more efficiently (and won't set your fingers and lips on fire) than the broken 1 inch remains of a glass rose stem. Right now I'm using this 6 inch long metal tube I found in my garage (its original purpose being completely unknown to me, as I found it just sitting there on a shelf in my garage), and the hits are significantly less harsh than when I was using a regular 4 inch (I think that's about what they typically measure) glass stem (having given my broken, 1-2 inch Pyrex stem to a friend, and shattering the last glass stem I was using as a pipe (a cheapo 6 dollar opaque blue meth bulb, with the bulb broken off (stepped on it accidentally, but luckily it only broke at the bulb end, leaving me with a tube perfect for smoking, about the same length and width as a typical shitty, weak, easily broken 99 cents glass rose), after telling myself, and my girlfriend that I was done with crack for good, at the time being more determined than ever, but the cravings quickly set in and I succumbed once more to the allure of the white demon barely a week past that day (when an addict wants what he wants, he'll get it no matter what, even with no proper pipe to smoke out of).
So, how could I get better hits out of this unusually long metal stem (I put this in italics because metal does indeed make a difference...can't see the smoke building up, can't see the resin collecting inside, so you have no clue what's stuck to the inside walls of the tube).
Is there any method more effective than the straight-shooter to get bigger hits? I've tried the bottle method once, rather unsuccessfully...any tips to make it work? I heard that's what they do over in the U.K. and other parts of Europe, where glass stems aren't as easily found in shops.
Now, on to the advice. A few pointers on smoking technique: over the months, I've gradually come to perfect my smoking technique (assuming I'm smoking out of a regular size glass pipe (preferably Pyrex, like my previous straight-shooter...but even those progressively break, with enough heat applied to heat constantly...), and now I can get close to 20 fat bellringers out of a gram of rock (which isn't ridiculously expensive, and with my technique, a gram can last me up to 8 hours
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(it does take at least a little willpower (i.e. not doing back to back hits and loading up dime rocks for each blast), but most of the time, if you hit it right, all your hits will provide you with a long-lasting, satisfying, smooth & mellow high after the intense initial rush subsides, being so chill that you won't even think or crave smoking anymore for up to an hour or more afterwards, although it's usually more in the 30 to 45 minute range, progressively getting shorter as you smoke more and fiend more...),
without even taking into account all the resin-smoking afterwards.
So anyways, here are the three stages of proper crack-smoking, in my experience:
Stage 1:
The pre-melt phase. Hold the stem, with a decent sized chunk (I use between 1/2 to 1/4 of a dime rock if I have plenty left, taking smaller hits as my stash slowly erodes away...) sitting on the chore, ideally not leaning against the sides of the tube, so as to melt all of the rock into the screen, not onto the sides of the glass. While doing this, just put the lighter on and off the rock, while twirling the stem back and forth (grip the pipe in the most comfortable way for you to twirl it gently without spilling the rock; you may have to switch your grip once you get to the smoking part). Now, when the rock has turned to goo and is nearing total meltdown
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(you have a narrow time window to do this, but fortunately it's not a crucial part of the process, just an extra tip to closing in on the ultimate, "blast-you-to-the-moon" deafening rush of joy (12-second joy, but joy nonetheless, disregarding its extreme ephemerality and pathetically pitiful reward-to-effort ratio, yet any basehead will go to these lengths to achieve that very, very temporary yet cosmically blissful state of consciousness),
slowly tilt the pipe down so it's more or less level (parallel to the ground), which brings us to step 2 on the path to achieve that perfect, mouthwateringly delicious blast of smoke and vapor into your lungs.
Stage 2:
While the pipe is level, keep twirling it back and forth, but hold the lighter underneath the stem, leaving about half an inch of space between the top of the flame and the bottom of your cylindrical tube-shaped smoking utensil. Make sure to have the flame right under the exact spot that the screen is at (sometimes I'll have the flame a little too far back, messing things up a bit). If done right, you'll hear the trademark crackling sound of the cocaine vaporizing; it is at this point that you start inhaling (I usually have my lips already wrapped around the stem at the end of the first step, ready to inhale), slowly, very slowly.
As you do this, start slowly tilting your pipe down towards the ground, making the resin melt and flow down the inside walls of the stem. When the stem is nearly perpendicular to the ground (there's no need for it to be at a perfect 90 degree angle to the floor, although I know some people who do that religiously every time they take a puff), put the flame about half an inch from the end of the opening of the tube, not directly on the tip (and therefore on the screen and melted gooey cola goodness), just a little below, so the ambient heat from the top of the flame vaporizes the crack some more, and the crackling sound gets more intense and rapid. Now keep putting the flame close to the tip and pulling it away every other second, occasionally putting a direct flame to the screen for a second or two.
To finish off your hit, let's move on to the third and final step...
Stage 3:
When you feel your throat stinging and/or you're almost out of breath or feel like you're about to cough all that precious smoke out, quickly tilt the pipe directly upwards and inhale real strong to get all the remaining smoke out of the pipe. Now comes into play the most crucial part about getting the strongest hit possible: holding it in. We all know weed is almost fully absorbed within the first 5 seconds of reaching your lungs, and holding a weed hit in is usually rather pointless, giving nothing more than an unnoticeable slightly stronger high, but mostly just an oxygen deprivation high/rush (that dizzy feeling you get from holding your breath too long, which can kind of feel like a buzz, in the same sense that sniffing glue can give you a "buzz").
However, with crack, holding it in makes all the difference in the world. If you take two smokers, have one load about 3 dollars of crack into his pipe, and the other load a 10-dollar rock, but the 3-dollar guy holds his hit in at least 20 seconds or more, while the one-hit dime rock smoking dude holds his hit in less than 5 seconds, guess who's gonna get higher? The former, of course. Plus, he also benefits from not having wasted much product, if any at all, by loading an amount of cocaine his lungs can comfortably handle in one hit, while the 10-dollar guy exhales his hit while the pipe is still smoking from having loaded a huge-ass hit.
So yeah, hold your motherfucking hits in as long as possible (not to the point where you turn blue and hit the floor passed out, but, as a rule of thumb, I always aim for a minimum of 20 seconds, but 30 if possible. Holding it in more than 30 seconds produces no real noticeable difference, but holding it in less than 20 seconds significantly reduces the intensity of the highly prized & desired initial rush
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(I enjoy a fat hit so much that I find it much more enjoyable, economic, and intensely pleasurable than shooting it, which requires at least half a dime of at least very decent stuff to get a good ear-ringing shot (so you buy a 20, and get 4 satisfying shots out of it, most likely all done within the hour...or you get a 20, and get 8-10 satisfying blasts out of it, and it can last you 3-4 hours easily if you have a bit of willpower on hand; now which one would you pick?)),
like the difference between holding it in 10 seconds and holding it in 20 seconds is huge, it feels like each second that passes gets you twice as high as you were the second before.
This concludes my "proper" crack-smoking tutorial/technique repertoire, feel free to correct me or include even more useful advice, any kind of feedback is appreciated. It saddens me that so many people immediately dismiss smoking and opt for shooting only (especially those who are already used to shooting, like most heroin addicts, for example, since heroin smoking is nowhere near as intense or enjoyable or economic as shooting, many people assume the same is true of crack cocaine...but it's not; even I, who always opts for the IV route whenever possible with pretty much any drug, and having had a year-long addiction to IV cocaine and year-long addiction to IV heroin (and many times combining both for a delicious speedball...another thing that takes a while to master, getting the correct amounts and ratio of heroin to cocaine down, for the perfect shot, I could write a whole tutorial about that too, if anybody asked me too, haha), settled for smoking crack 90% of the time rather than shooting it. I only shoot it when I have at least a gram, I'll do one or two nice fat shots a few hours apart, all the while smoking the rest. Oftentimes, I'll even regret shooting it, when it's all gone, thinking what I did in one shot could have contributed to at least 2-3 fat blasts from the pipe.
Anyways, I'm done saying what I had to say, and if a mod could make this thread the "official" crack discussion thread here on OD, that'd be nice too.
P.S. This entire post, which took around 45-50 minutes to write, without any breaks at all (except once to take a hit), was the result of a single large hit smoked 5 minutes prior to even getting on the computer, followed by a smaller hit (smoking the remains stuck on the chore, not even throwing in a new rock) about 40 minutes later or so after having started to write, and I'm still on cloud 9, not fiending at all for another blast. My technique works, trust me!
like how long does it usually take and how much of it do you need to smoke?
I don't spit out black tar but my friend does after we smoke
and he smoked cigarettes too so that probably makes it worse
I asked him what color he thinks my lungs are and he said probably dark brown
I said his are black
I have only been on crack for 4 and a half years
I used to notice black spots in my spit. Especially after I stopped for a few days and a hacking cough.
I believe it's from the chore (rose/stem, chore boy) most of the times I burn the chore first, other times not. Notice the black smoke?
This is probably different from true diagnose "crack lung" but I would think all the old school veterans that still smoke from the 90s and 80s would have it.
Quite possible it's just irritation from sucking in a hot flame and other poison we smoke.
(Oh, and if you don't feel like reading this all or don't want to answer that many, the 2 most important questions are #2 and #9 )
