Cocaine Cocaine Improved Work Ethic for a time.

[faithless_life]

Hello Friends,

I wanted to reach out and get some advice to see if anyone else has found SOME benefit from Cocaine.
I recently got access to some very good snow and started using daily with a few day breaks in between. 3.5g lasts me about 2 weeks, I don't use socially or to party, I use to improve work performance. Let me preface with saying I am in Tech, and am required to work daily with Project managers and nightly with international Dev resources. The first thing I noticed when using was my nightly focus and energy was great to keep me going and engaged. My mornings were filled with meetings that I participated in and spoke up more often. Shortly after, ideas and improvements started flowing from my thoughts more easily. Executing and developing these ideas were strong and I made tons of progress at work. I am about 2.5 months into my binge and am starting to notice the diminishing returns people speak of (detachment from friends and family, cravings, work ethic slowing down), so I know it is time to stop my love affair and move on. While this was a fun experiment, and I did see some benefits, it made me question why Cocaine helped me so much. Stims are good for ADHD I hear and I question if I may be undiagnosed for it because of how well I preformed on Cocaine. The other obvious factor is I was able to control my energy at will, which helped for my dual timezone work schedule. Many people claim Modafinil could be an alternative to aid with that. Anyway, wondered if anyone else had similar experience with Cocaine, and wanted to get some advice on moving off of it and where to turn to get similar benefits without straight up killing myself. Thanks!

 

[Carmelizedsam]

You should check to see if you have adhd. ADHD is a dopamine deficit, and cocaine gives you dopamine. There are much better treatments than cocaine for that though, like methylphenidate drugs and amphetamine drugs.

Also, Sigmund Freud felt more productive on cocaine, but it didn’t work out well for him in the end.

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

Lol. Welcome to stimulants.

It only helps most feel productive for some time. Eventually dependency on any stimulant really blows the brain's natural dopamine out of the water. By that point... it's dependent on the stimulants to feel normal--resulting in the same "before stimulants" so-called seemingly lack of productivity. If you find it to help you quite a bit in my horrible opinion you're best at sticking to coke during the busiest days. If you use it regularly stimulants are dangerous (in behavior). You start to grow paranoid over the littlest things and really lose your mind without even noticing you're in tin-foil hat crazy town. I've been there recently! You really can't tell that you're out of it and insane and just do what you want. Was a big learning lesson. I've just concluded that I'm far better off spacing out my use. Good luck

 

[Deru]

Stims are good for ADHD I hear and I question if I may be undiagnosed for it because of how well I preformed on Cocaine

I tend to go back and forth on this one, myself.

People with ADHD are more likely to develop cocaine addiction, and there is without a doubt a similar self-medicating effect of cocaine as there is with Ritalin or Adderall.

With that being said, what I’ve found, it is most effective in small doses of cocaine hydrochloride or cocaine citrate (most of my use was cocaine citrate). The most effective way I found was 10 to 20 mg every hour to build a rolling effect, for a total daily amount of between 150 - 200 mg (0.15 - 0.2 grams) with never exceeding more than 250 mg (0.25 grams) per day.

With NAC, I was also able to taper myself completely off cocaine and have been completely clean and sober with zero cravings.

I did that for roughly two years, and with a little perspective and hindsight, it's not nearly as effective Ritalin or Adderall, although it absolutely and undeniably does help treat the symptoms of ADHD.

 

[December Flower]

Did it make you more productive because it calmed you down?

Or because it lifted you up?

Most people with actual ADHD(not just 'diagnosed') are fucking ingenious brainiacs with or without dopamine treatment.

 

[faithless_life]

Did it make you more productive because it calmed you down?

Or because it lifted you up?

Most people with actual ADHD(not just 'diagnosed') are fucking ingenious brainiacs with or without dopamine treatment.

I would almost describe the feeling as both lifting and calming. Lifting in such a way that fatigue was non existent, but the calm I would describe as more of a focus or drive. I never felt speedy or overstimulated, I was able to define what problem I was working to solve, choose a path to solution, and then execute. Where as pre-stim, I mostly get overwhelmed with the amount of work to be solved and block myself from progress. I wouldn't call myself an ingenious brainiac, but when I have a natural motivation towards something, I tend to achieve above average. The key for me is that "natural motivation", without it I won't get those results alone.

 

[December Flower]

I would almost describe the feeling as both lifting and calming. Lifting in such a way that fatigue was non existent, but the calm I would describe as more of a focus or drive. I never felt speedy or overstimulated, I was able to define what problem I was working to solve, choose a path to solution, and then execute. Where as pre-stim, I mostly get overwhelmed with the amount of work to be solved and block myself from progress. I wouldn't call myself an ingenious brainiac, but when I have a natural motivation towards something, I tend to achieve above average. The key for me is that "natural motivation", without it I won't get those results alone.

OK, just a few more questions to clarify, sorry:

If you're supposed to be quiet somewhere, is it hard to stay quiet? (say a library)

Do you have a problem with "waiting" in general? Does it make you extremely nervous and fidgety?

Do you often do something before you think about it?

Does weed make you lose your mind? Pacing, nervous wrack, shaking, etc...
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To clarify: I mean without stimulants (assuming you aren't experiencing a comedown, or the day or so after)
You don't have to answer, but if all four of those are true for you, you're very likely to have ADHD.

 

[Snafu in the Void]

call me negative nancy but those ADHD/ADD questionnaires they give you at the shrink are kinda bullshit

I've been diagnosed with ADD several times in my life and given stimulants

I've also paradoxically been diagnosed with "obsessive ADD" which is a real, defined condition in which someone can't focus because they focus too hard on a single thing or whatever

I don't believe I have ADD, I think it's too easily diagnosed . A lot of the questions they ask are very generic and dumb.

If I ever have kids I would never give them amphetamines because they are "ADD".... personally I believe "ADD" is a state of mind and not something wrong with your brain

 

[December Flower]

call me negative nancy but those ADHD/ADD questionnaires they give you at the shrink are kinda bullshit

I've been diagnosed with ADD several times in my life and given stimulants

I've also paradoxically been diagnosed with "obsessive ADD" which is a real, defined condition in which someone can't focus because they focus too hard on a single thing or whatever

I don't believe I have ADD, I think it's too easily diagnosed . A lot of the questions they ask are very generic and dumb.

If I ever have kids I would never give them amphetamines because they are "ADD".... personally I believe "ADD" is a state of mind and not something wrong with your brain

Usually the reaction to Weed/Stimulants is the best indicator, yeah, I'm not a fan of questions either. But you gotta start somewhere, and since so many docs will just diagnose you with it and pump you full of Ritalin, I think it's best to be as sure as you can before you go to the Doc.

 

[faithless_life]

OK, just a few more questions to clarify, sorry:

If you're supposed to be quiet somewhere, is it hard to stay quiet? (say a library)

No problem staying quiet, I am an introvert so I prefer it.

Do you have a problem with "waiting" in general? Does it make you extremely nervous and fidgety?

Hate hate hate waiting, I have very little patience. Usually when I am stuck waiting, especially if sitting, my leg shakes like it wants to keep on walking.

Do you often do something before you think about it?

I tend to be fairly introspective and over analyse situations, so I wouldn't say I act before i think.

Does weed make you lose your mind? Pacing, nervous wrack, shaking, etc...

Love weed, but I've also been smoking weed for 15 years probably. Definitely calming effect, anti-anxiety is the best description of it for me. Pre-stim I would frequently smoke or dry-herb vape 3 times a day. Post-stim, I only smoke before I go to bed at the end of the night.

To clarify: I mean without stimulants (assuming you haven't formed a physical dependancy)
You don't have to answer, but if all four of those are true for you, you're very likely to have ADHD.

These would certainly be answers that apply pre-stim. So 1 out of 4, seems less likely I would have ADHD right? Maybe it is a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. I do Cocaine and my brain says, "better do good work so we can justify doing more Cocaine". I assume less fatigue and elevated mood play a good part in success.

 

[December Flower]

No problem staying quiet, I am an introvert so I prefer it.


Hate hate hate waiting, I have very little patience. Usually when I am stuck waiting, especially if sitting, my leg shakes like it wants to keep on walking.


I tend to be fairly introspective and over analyse situations, so I wouldn't say I act before i think.


Love weed, but I've also been smoking weed for 15 years probably. Definitely calming effect, anti-anxiety is the best description of it for me. Pre-stim I would frequently smoke or dry-herb vape 3 times a day. Post-stim, I only smoke before I go to bed at the end of the night.


These would certainly be answers that apply pre-stim. So 1 out of 4, seems less likely I would have ADHD right? Maybe it is a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. I do Cocaine and my brain says, "better do good work so we can justify doing more Cocaine". I assume less fatigue and elevated mood play a good part in success.

Yeah you don't have ADHD, like 99%, all good. Seriously, people who actually have ADHD usually DO NOT enjoy weed at all. It makes them go absolutely bonkers.

Cocaine is not as "pushy" as say Amphetamines anyways. I find I always just have really great conversations on Coke, calm thoughts that are easy to order properly. Sure it pushes me a bit, but not in that "nervous wrack"-kinda way that Amphetamines do.

 

[Deru]

Does weed make you lose your mind? Pacing, nervous wrack, shaking, etc...

I’d be curious to read further about this, do you have any sources by chance?

There seems to be some evidence to suggest it’s actually therapeutic for ADHD, and I’m wondering if the type plays a role.

For example, I can tolerate indica strains, but sativa strains make me feel exactly as you described. I typically despise marijuana for that exact reason, although when I had sepsis it helped me eat, so I did find some benefit to it later in life.

 

[faithless_life]

Yeah you don't have ADHD, like 99%, all good. Seriously, people who actually have ADHD usually DO NOT enjoy weed at all. It makes them go absolutely bonkers.

Interesting, then I will likely not explore those options with a doctor.

Cocaine is not as "pushy" as say Amphetamines anyways. I find I always just have really great conversations on Coke, calm thoughts that are easy to order properly. Sure it pushes me a bit, but not in that "nervous wrack"-kinda way that Amphetamines do.

I agree with this description.

I will take a look at the NAC supplements that Deru mentioned and possible test out some Modafinil for my work schedule. I doubt I could successfully pull off the "use less coke" solution that GetMeOutOfThisCRAP suggested.

 

[RedRum OG]

Im hearing some mixed messages to your feelings about coke. Let me dispel any wandering cravings. Coke has a honeymoon period, like all drugs. It may last 2 weeks, it may last 20 years. Inevitably, some day it will turn, and it will take 10x what it gave. I promise you. If you are one of the smart ones, you will take your winnings, and quit on a hot streak, and feel great. Or you can ride it into the ground and suddenly find yourself walking away from the casino without the car you came in, like many of us here at bluelight. Itll happen faster than you can see. If it's hard to do your job without coke, imagine how hard it would be to be homeless.. without coke. Because there's never any left when you wake up, and getting it takes strength you dont have without coke.

This probably sounds like a lot darker than you were expecting. You got yourself into some dark shit, my man. It may feel all glamorous because you're killing it in business, but trust me, you are the character in the scary movie who's about to check the scary noise from the basement. Dont do it.

 

[tweakerguy]

If i ever found myself on a honeymoon lasting 20 years, fuck it I'm staying. The woman's clearly a keeper.
I like to think that's how Billy Idol must've felt when he wrote that song.

 

[tweakerguy]

I’d be curious to read further about this, do you have any sources by chance?

There seems to be some evidence to suggest it’s actually therapeutic for ADHD, and I’m wondering if the type plays a role.

For example, I can tolerate indica strains, but sativa strains make me feel exactly as you described. I typically despise marijuana for that exact reason, although when I had sepsis it helped me eat, so I did find some benefit to it later in life.

Man, I'm exactly the same. Sativa strains tend to send me spiraling into an introspective anxiety attack while indica is much more sedating, almost to a fault. I usually just fall asleep on it, which also isn't very fun.

 

[Fiori di Bella]

@faithless_life
I too lived a productive life with a considerable cocaine habit for several years. I stopped using in 2010. My habit consisted of about 3/16ths every other week, or three 8-balls a month. While on blow, I enjoyed the ability to really focus on tasks and to work them to completion, rather than throwing my hands in the air in frustration.

I’ve since been diagnosed with ADD and I now take Vyvanse. I can tell you the focus I enjoyed while doing blow is even sharper with Vyvanse. For the first time in my life I’ve been able to follow a recipe and not ignore the directions and just throw all the ingredients together like I normally would. I can follow directions to put something together, i.e., a partially assembled kitchen appliance, that requires a few screws. I’m likely never going to be able to make a piece of furniture from IKEA or be able to make a piece of clothing from a sewing pattern, but Vyvanse provides the kind of focus and energy I need more than coke ever could.
Good luck to you.

 

[Sirena Oscura]

Dude @faithless_life we’re like twins. Everything you have said resonates 100% with me. However I don’t use coke every day at work and I don’t use much. I might have one bag for two weeks for example. I’m hoping this system means I’m less likely to have the bad side effects.

 

[Dope Queen]

call me negative nancy but those ADHD/ADD questionnaires they give you at the shrink are kinda bullshit

I've been diagnosed with ADD several times in my life and given stimulants

I've also paradoxically been diagnosed with "obsessive ADD" which is a real, defined condition in which someone can't focus because they focus too hard on a single thing or whatever

I don't believe I have ADD, I think it's too easily diagnosed . A lot of the questions they ask are very generic and dumb.

If I ever have kids I would never give them amphetamines because they are "ADD".... personally I believe "ADD" is a state of mind and not something wrong with your brain

The school sent my 7 year old cousin to the doctor and tried to give her ritalin. My aunt smarty refused. She's now in her 20's and great.
They toss it around far to often. Except in extreme cases parents and doctors should be beat imo.

To the OP: good coke makes you feel great. Nothing will compare other than other hard drugs

 

[Snafu in the Void]

personally I believe "ADD" is a state of mind and not something wrong with your brain

I would like to expand on this. I think I came off the wrong way.

I do believe ADD/ADHD is a real condition, however I believe it is wildly overdiagnosed and overprescribed.

ADD has been said to be a survival trait/instinct dating back to our hunter/gatherer routes and that makes a lot of sense from a survival standpoint.

I believe ADD can be overcome quite easily without medication.

Just like with anxiety, which is a very common and well studied condition... most doctors will guide you to CBT, mindfulness, meditation and other things before they medicate you for it (most of the time...)

I feel like the opposite is true for ADD, they medicate you before teaching you how to deal with it yourself.