Stimulants Cathinones, meth / amphetamines, ecstacy, MDMA - comedown tips

[gibberish-noise]

Hello, BLers, I was wondering if you had any tips for coming down from stimulants. Of course there are the basics, which we all know - get sleep, exercise, eat healthy, get back to your normal routine, socialise, etc - but I'd like to know specifics. What has worked for you? Have you come across any research backing a particular strategy?

As this is a long post, I've divided it into categories to hopefully lessen its aesthetic nastiness.

[Substances]:

Apologies for not being more specific in the title; I've simply no idea what I took two days ago. It was of unknown dose or weight and supposedly an ecstacy pill. Reagent testing resulted in some interesting colour changes - none particularly conclusive, as the 8 tests disagreed with each other on most substance IDs excluding the confident absence of MDxx. There seemed to be some cathinones and definitely methamphetamine, though I had no idea as to the amount of each. I also ate a 15 mg THC edible (T-3h), drank about 40 mL cognac (T-.5h), and smoked an unknown-amount-less-than-half-a-joint of pot (T-1h). Not really relevant but perhaps there are some interactions I'm unaware of that could cause mid- to longer-term effects / comedown.

[Effects]:

I didn't sleep at all that night (at T+5h), and felt decently buzzed for about 7 hours after ingesting. The comeup / high lasted about 4h. I'm sure it would have plateaued for another 4-6h had I not been trying to fall asleep. Jaw stiffness as usually happens with stimulants for me only set in at T+16h. I didn't feel tweaked and am fairly certain there wasn't much meth. However, it's now approximately T+50h, and I still feel rather dissociated / floaty / mildly buzzed. Alongside this, I feel physically numb and detached from my body. My cognitive functioning and ability to focus is much worse. My energy level, which was not high before, is now firmly in the gutter. The pot-induced lack of joint and muscle tension was a nice interlude, but now it's returned, and seemingly worse than prior to two nights ago due to the juxtaposition. And now I've got jaw tension to add to that from the stimulant blend.

It would be nice if the lethargy would go away, but to that the only solution (which actually works for me) is more stimulants, so I suppose I've to grin and bear it. Lastly, I noticed my heart was racing during the plateau period, and now I have a sense of pressure on my upper chest around the sternum - not quite pain, but solid discomfort, as well as feeling unable to breathe properly. (I'm incredibly congested and have nosebleeds despite avoiding intranasal use like the plague, but neither of these are related to orally taken stimulants as far as I can tell. Tangential, but if anyone has any advice on these matters, I'm all ears...well, eyes.)

Thus exercise is the last thing I want to do in this state. But I know it will be beneficial, which brings me to the next section of this verbal diarrhoea. What sort of exercise is better as a comedown aid?

[Comedown aids]:

From a preliminary internet search, it seems that 5-HTP is not much effective post hoc (especially considering the ratio in which meth affects dopamine vs serotonin), and that its use in aiding comedown is anecdotal. I'd also like to avoid illicit psychoactive drugs for some time, since I can't afford them financially and am trying to bring my body to a healthier baseline.

Things I've already done:
- drank water (1-1.5 L per day)
- taken potassium iodide (I figure I get enough sodium from my food)
- ate (not always the healthiest, but enough nutrients / calories)
- returned to my schedule (working 0530-1230, attending classes, albeit avoiding the actual assignments)
- taken supplements during T+16-29h (many random pills including magnesium, vitamins B, C, D, iodine, ALA, NAC, omega-3, L-tyrosine, zinc, all with food, and charcoal on an empty stomach to help 'detox' - I admit I am uninformed and didn't prepare well for this; Father Dopamine, please forgive me)
- had a warm bath with magnesium sulphate at T+29h (which helped with the muscle tension not one iota)
- (tried to) sleep (night 1: laid awake in the dark for 7 hours and intermittently arose to urinate and drink water; night 2: got about 7 hours with the aid of melatonin and trazodone)

Being a self-centred little human, I'm only looking for detailed tips to alleviate my particular symptoms. But of course feel free to share anything related to stimulant comedowns that others may find helpful. Perhaps we can compile a master thread. Thanks in advance.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Just to be clear…is this about comedown from just one night of taking a combination of unknown quantities of unknown stimulant type drugs after reagent testing indicated it was very likely a frankenstein concoction to start with?

We definitely don’t judge and we are full of sympathy - but why bother with the reagent testing if you are just going to gobble the lot anyway?

As for recovery, whatever combination of stimulant type drugs you consumed, a couple of days and it will be a distant memory if you get some rest and do the other non-pharma things you mentioned in your post.

As for actually getting some rest your best bet is low dose seroquel (50mg) or a strong anti-histamine to force sleep and a low dose benzo like valium (5-10 mg).

Put your phone on silent, lie down in a cool temerature room, and listen to some chill music until all the pain goes away.

 

[Nightrider19]

Agree with @Perforated
I regularly use Seroquel and Zyrtec ( also helps stop anything thats irritating you interrupting your sleep).

 

[gibberish-noise]

why bother with the reagent testing if you are just going to gobble the lot anyway?

Curiosity - I view it as an adventure.

I appreciate your response. Cheers, mate.

 

[JTemperance]

These are good ideas, but you shouldn't expect any "tips" to help out drastically. At the end of the day(s), the stimulant crash can only really be neutralized by more drugs, i.e. "downers," broadly construed (to include Seroquel and and heroin as well as benzos). But this course of action can have its own downsides....

That said, here's one that I'd add, mainly for sleep: to try actively slowing down your thought processes and avoiding fixation on topics likely to stimulate your mind, whether positively or negatively.

 

[gibberish-noise]

These are good ideas, but you shouldn't expect any "tips" to help out drastically. At the end of the day(s), the stimulant crash can only really be neutralized by more drugs, i.e. "downers," broadly construed (to include Seroquel and and heroin as well as benzos). But this course of action can have its own downsides....

That said, here's one that I'd add, mainly for sleep: to try actively slowing down your thought processes and avoiding fixation on topics likely to stimulate your mind, whether positively or negatively.

Noted, and thank you. It is all too easy to get sucked into the stimulant-downer cycle, thus I'm only taking the minimum of any related substances for the next few weeks at least.

Still feeling rather dissociated and numb, but at least the jaw tension, difficulty breathing, and most of the joint / muscle stiffness is gone. Hard to discern what can be attributed to what I did versus time.

Blanking my mind does help with sleep, I've found, though it's easier said than done.

 

[Jabberwocky]

These are good ideas, but you shouldn't expect any "tips" to help out drastically. At the end of the day(s), the stimulant crash can only really be neutralized by more drugs, i.e. "downers," broadly construed (to include Seroquel and and heroin as well as benzos).

In the interests of harm reduction I think we’d put heroin very low down the list of solutions to a big night on stimulants.

Especially for opiate-naive users.

You are likely to find your self still wide awake amd strung out but now also dry retching uncontrollably for 8 hours.

 

[gibberish-noise]

In the interests of harm reduction I think we’d put heroin very low down the list of solutions to a big night on stimulants.

Especially for opiate-naive users.

You are likely to find your self still wide awake amd strung out but now also dry retching uncontrollably for 8 hours.

Since I've started testing it, none of my dope has actually tested positive for heroin. It's all fentanyl and filler.

But good point. 2-4mg of some sort of benzo would be as much as I'd recommend to anyone. Any more and then you need a stimulant to chase away the grogginess to function, putting you back in the same situation you were at first.